ATTENTION FAMILY VALUE VOTERS: Want less teen pregnancy? Less divorce? Become liberal

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The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.

But don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that "the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people." The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

How to explain these differences? The following factors provide a partial answer:
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More couples in the South enter their first marriage at a younger age.

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Average household incomes are lower in the South.

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Southern states have a lower percentage of Roman Catholics, "a denomination that does not recognize divorce." Barna's study showed that 21 percent of Catholics had been divorced, compared with 29 percent of Baptists.

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Education. Massachusetts has about the highest rate of education in the country, with 85 percent completing high school. For Texas the rate is 76 percent. One third of Massachusetts residents have completed college, compared with 23 percent of Texans, and the other Northeast states are right behind Massachusetts.

The liberals from Massachusetts have long prided themselves on their emphasis on education, and it has paid off: People who stay in school longer get married at a later age, when they are more mature, are more likely to secure a better job, and job income increases with each level of formal education. As a result, Massachusetts also leads in per capita and family income while births by teenagers, as a percent of total births, was 7.4 for Massachusetts and 16.1 for Texas.

The Northeast corridor, with Massachusetts as the hub, does have one of the highest levels of Catholics per state total. And it is also the case that these are among the states most strongly supportive of the Catholic Church's teaching on social justice issues such as minimum and living wages and universal healthcare.

For all the Bible Belt talk about family values, it is the people from Kerry's home state, along with their neighbors in the Northeast corridor, who live these values. Indeed, it is the "blue" states, led led by Massachusetts and Connecticut, that have been willing to invest more money over time to foster the reality of what it means to leave no children behind. And they have been among the nation's leaders in promoting a living wage as their goal in public employment. The money they have invested in their future is known more popularly as taxes; these so-called liberal people see that money is their investment to help insure a compassionate, humane society. Family values are much more likely to be found in the states mistakenly called out-of-the-mainstream liberal. By their behavior you can know them as the true conservatives. They are showing how to conserve family life through the way they live their family values.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/31/walking_the_walk_on_family_values/

Of southeastern states, only South Carolina's divorce rate of 3.8 was below the national average.

The rate was 8.5 per thousand in Nevada, 6.4 in Tennessee, 6.1 in Arkansas, 6.0 in Alabama and Oklahoma.

http://www.ncpa.org/pd/social/pd111999g.html
 
Mass. is an interesting state. They're extremely liberal politically...but at the same time are very religious, and have shunned alcohol and such...most towns until recently couldn't sell alcohol on sundays still.
 
[quote name='daschrier']Mass. is an interesting state. They're extremely liberal politically...but at the same time are very religious, and have shunned alcohol and such...most towns until recently couldn't sell alcohol on sundays still.[/QUOTE]

Some laws are remnants of our puritan past, and we have a longer history than basically any state but virginia. But, massachusetts is dominated by catholics and, given the church's high visibility, may appear as a very religious state. It's not though, in the sense of forcing religion on anyone, or attending church, giving religion a central place in life etc. We have them like everyone else, it's just less of that type of person. The catholic schools here are much more secular as well (they also include people of all religions), compated to what you get elsewhere, even in new york.

And massachusetts has not shunned alcohol, the population consumes more alcohol than the national average, and has virtually no one denouncing the "evils" of alcohol.
 
I never said people pushed religion, but if you look at liberal states like cali, there are no sales laws on alcohol, like baring it from sundays...

I just find it funny that's all :)

Also, what's up with stupid bars closing at 1am....that's just when places get good!!
 
[quote name='daschrier']Also, what's up with stupid bars closing at 1am....that's just when places get good!![/QUOTE]

Yay for protestants and family values!

Pretty sure Thomas Jefferson would have told any barkeep who was closing up at 2AM to lighten the fuck up.
 
Many places have town ordinances or 'blue laws' that don't allow booze sales on Sundays, there are several entirely dry towns in here in Jersey I can think of. I don't know if liquor laws are an appropriate yardstick to measure a state's morality.

But I'm totally with you about the 1 am thing, that's bullshit. I mean damn, around here that's just about the time the last band hits the stage, you still got 2 hours to convince her to go home with you! Or better yet, time to run into NYC and stay out until 4, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee good bye liver!
 
If you really want your message to mean anything...

Post this where you'll find a fourm not stacked to the brim with liberals. You're preaching to the choir here.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']If you really want your message to mean anything...

Post this where you'll find a fourm not stacked to the brim with liberals. You're preaching to the choir here.[/QUOTE]

Who said I was liberal....I'm more conservative than liberal.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']If you really want your message to mean anything...

Post this where you'll find a fourm not stacked to the brim with liberals. You're preaching to the choir here.[/QUOTE]

We would, but conservatives have no time for rational discussion on the internets. They're too busy raising the kids they had when they were 15, filing their divorce papers, and putting their fingers in their ears and yelling "LA-LA-LA-LA" whenever one of those damn secular leeberuhls talks on TV.
 
Oh yeah, hold on. I have to take care of my teenager, beat my wife, divorice her and it's a miracle I can type with my fingers in my ears.

Oh, and I love being able to do this while telling you about it on Al Gore's internet.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']It seems that PAD feels there's a liberal bias in a board where only half the people disagree with him.[/QUOTE]Don't be so hard on PAD. Conservatives are bad with numbers. Just at look at our deficit ;)
 
>>I have to take care of my teenager, beat my wife

They are more than likely the same person.

>and it's a miracle I can type with my fingers in my ears.

I assumed you were using your prehensile tail.
 
This is a first. Normally in a topic that praises liberals PAD either doesn't post, or attacks it. He actually posted in this and had no attack, no argument, and absolutely nothing to say against the argument presented.

I don't know what to think of that, but it's definately suprising.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Oh yeah, hold on. I have to take care of my teenager, beat my wife, divorice her and it's a miracle I can type with my fingers in my ears.

Oh, and I love being able to do this while telling you about it on Al Gore's internet.[/QUOTE]



lets not forget buy a gun, start a war, stop gays from marrying and want more tax cuts.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']It seems that PAD feels there's a liberal bias in a board where only half the people disagree with him.[/QUOTE]

Not that I care, but if you don't realize there are more liberals than moderates and conservatives combined on this board you're blind, deaf and dumb.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Not that I care, but if you don't realize there are more liberals than moderates and conservatives combined on this board you're blind, deaf and dumb.[/QUOTE]

if we are to say that moderate starts at around -3 and ends at about 2, the political compass test shows that the board is split pretty damn evenly.

Also, there's no reason to resort to insults. I demand an explanation.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']if we are to say that moderate starts at around -3 and ends at about 2, the political compass test shows that the board is split pretty damn evenly.

Also, there's no reason to resort to insults. I demand an explanation.[/QUOTE]

Settle down, wasn't meant to be personal, just an expression that it's very obvious the board has a liberal slant (again, not that I care or mind). Every poll conducted on this board consistently shows that this board is more liberal than the general American populace. Go check the results of the polls done before the election last year if you don't believe me.
 
I think, technically, mao is right. But, I think that in practice, taking into account who posts here the most, the board is dominated by liberals with a decent amount of moderates and a couple conservatives.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Hey el,

There WERE more cons around, guess they are to ashamed to voice their opinions anymore.[/QUOTE]

Go visit the slickdeals.net forum. Every thread in their podium (the political forum) is basically a few people blaming everything on liberals.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Hey el,

There WERE more cons around, guess they are to ashamed to voice their opinions anymore.[/QUOTE]

So you're professing to actually missing Scrubking now? Color me amazed. :D
 
[quote name='elprincipe']So you're professing to actually missing Scrubking now? Color me amazed. :D[/QUOTE]

Where's Defender? He's Conservative and barely posts here. I miss Scrubking like I miss a Root Canal. Isn't CaseyRyback Conservative too?
 
I may be missing something, but I doubt it. Are you actually suggesting bill clinton is a serial rapist? Either way, you fell back into your old ways with that totally unrelated post.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Bill Clinton Smear[/QUOTE]

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You're completely OT.[/QUOTE]:roll:

But, hey, while we're at it, two words: Jennifer Fitzgerald.
 
Yes, I am not just suggesting but declaring Bill Clinton is a sexual predator and Hillary will do anything and everything to cover up his behavior if it comes close to harming her and them.

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Now, who was Chimpy first?
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I am still here...been posting in VS forums for a couple days now. What happened to Scrubking? Did he get banned or finally fed up and left?

Also I think you can't argue with the success of MASS for it's low divorce rate. But even your post doesn't really say it's because they are liberals. It's because of education and religion more than anything else.

Heck..if you told me that voting liberal would reduce the divorce rate, early pregnancy problems, education, and healthcare issues then I would vote dem. However I am saddened that the dem leadership mostly spends it's time blaming republicans. I see very little from the dems that would be a plausible plan to bring the country forward. Clinton talked the talk but really he was just blowing smoke. I am still pissed he got elected on what I feel was healthcare yet under his presidency healthcare got worse (as it does under Bush) and his healthcare package was never realized.

Yeah..I am a republican but I want government health care. I don't view myself as an extreme right winger...I feel more moderate-conservative (medium rare). :)

bah...did I go off topic?
 
>>However I am saddened that the dem leadership mostly spends it's time blaming republicans.

Republicans run this country, who should get the blame the Amish?

>>and his healthcare package was never realized.Yeah..I am a republican

The Clintons plans for healthcare were axed by Republicans.

In all seriousness WHAT THE fuck?

>>bah...did I go off topic?

I dont care if you are OT, im more concerned about the fact you are fucknuts insane.
 
[quote name='defender']I am still here...been posting in VS forums for a couple days now. What happened to Scrubking? Did he get banned or finally fed up and left?

Also I think you can't argue with the success of MASS for it's low divorce rate. But even your post doesn't really say it's because they are liberals. It's because of education and religion more than anything else.

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The religion was a reason noted, but one of the minor ones. The main reason argued was education, religion was noted for teaching against divorce but mainly for it's support of social justice as advocated by liberals. The effect of religion on divorce though would only be relatively minor overall, as catholics only had about an 8% lower rate of divorce according to the article. It argued education was the result of liberal beliefs. Basically, it argues the benefits occur not so much because individuals are liberal, but because the state is run on liberal ideas. On idea argues the crazy notion that taxes are beneficial.
 
[quote name='defender']I am still here...been posting in VS forums for a couple days now. What happened to Scrubking? Did he get banned or finally fed up and left?[/QUOTE]

The last time he posted, it was right after the English police had shot and killed that Brazillian man in the metro. At the time, noone knew anything, and SK was overjoyed at the fact that the police had shot this dark-complexioned man in the head, no questions asked. When it turned out that the man was an innocent civilian, we never heard from SK again - I figure that an overwhelming sense of shame finally prompted him to leave - after all it would be pretty tough to live that down, even for a serial bigot.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The religion was a reason noted, but one of the minor ones. The main reason argued was education, religion was noted for teaching against divorce but mainly for it's support of social justice as advocated by liberals. The effect of religion on divorce though would only be relatively minor overall, as catholics only had about an 8% lower rate of divorce according to the article. It argued education was the result of liberal beliefs. Basically, it argues the benefits occur not so much because individuals are liberal, but because the state is run on liberal ideas. On idea argues the crazy notion that taxes are beneficial.[/QUOTE]

Plus the fact that the dominant religion in that area is Catholic, and they aren't cool with gays (plus all the other liberal ideals permitted up north) - I think zo is right, education is a the main factor in fighting bigotry and close mindedness.
 
[quote name='defender']
I see very little from the dems that would be a plausible plan to bring the country forward.[/quote]

This is the dem's biggest problem right now - they don't have a message. I get the feeling that they are afraid to take a stance on anything for fear of putting-off potential voters. I caught Howard Dean on Hardball the other night. Chris Matthews asked Dean if the Democrats were the pro-choice party.

He hesitated. He fucking hesitated.

What, he wasn't ready for that one? It took him a few seconds, but he finally gave an answer: "My party respects everybody's views, but my party firmly believes that the government should stay out of people's personal lives."

If you read the transcripts, you can't tell how long he hesitated, but trust me, it was there. It wasn't until Chris Matthews asked him why he wouldn't use the term pro-choice that he gave a reason:

MATTHEWS: Why do you hesitate from the phrase pro-choice?

DEAN: Because I think it's often misused. If you're pro-choice, it implies you're not pro-life. That's not true.

Nice. The head of the DNC needs prompting to get a point out about abortion.

The dems are slowly building up at least one message, and that's about Bush's mishandling of the war. We'll see how well they pull that one together.

Full transcript of the Dean interview:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9883824/
 
[quote name='yeah-yeah']Nice. The head of the DNC needs prompting to get a point out about abortion.

The dems are slowly building up at least one message, and that's about Bush's mishandling of the war. We'll see how well they pull that one together.

Full transcript of the Dean interview:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9883824/[/QUOTE]

Poor Dean. If he repeats the "Bush lied, people died" mantra, he alienates the moderates that Democrats need to win. If he tries to be more reasonable and less jarring as he did with Matthews, the extreme left wants to cut his balls off. It's a tough job!
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Poor Dean. If he repeats the "Bush lied, people died" mantra, he alienates the moderates that Democrats need to win. If he tries to be more reasonable and less jarring as he did with Matthews, the extreme left wants to cut his balls off. It's a tough job![/QUOTE]

Why are you so happy that the people of this country don't care that their president could have lied to them about the reasons for going to war?
 
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