CAGcast #286: The E3 2012 Premium Limited Collector's Digital Deluxe Edition

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[preview][IMG-L=5838]15060[/IMG-L]Shipwreck's Diablo 3 player finally arrives as does our post E3 show, combined with all our E3 Audioboos in one convenient file.

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I don't believe Dragon's Dogma was ever confirmed to be Capcom's most expensive game to date, but it definitely had the largest staff with 150 Capcom employees and another 150 outside contractors. It sounded like they went into development with the expectation that it would appeal to the West and become a new flagship franchise for them, but last month's sales predictions were only 1.5 million, so I think they eventually lost faith in the title. According to vgchartz.com they're only about halfway there, and half those sales came from Japan, so it didn't quite reach the intended audience. I doubt they're just gonna throw away the franchise, though. I mean, the name's out there now, so you might as well just hand it off to some C-tier Western studio for some quick and easy cash, no?
 
Prometheus really was a disappointing mess but to see Charlize Theron's ass in that skin tight black jumpsuit was easily worth $5
 
Ship, it seems like you're having so many problems with your BRAND NEW PC. Even I felt frustrated seeing your tweets. I was getting ready to purchase mine a few months back when I ran into ibuypower, did some research and heard a lot of testimonials about their terrible service. Needless to say you should have went with Digital Storm instead. 2 week turnaround and top-notch customer service. I guess it's too late to say to return it? Anyways, happy PC Gaming.
 
I actually enjoy the CAG 'coverage' more than the big sites. All I need to do is go to my podcast feed when I get home from work, spend 30 minutes rather than 2 hours of reading articles to catch up on the happenings of E3. Not as good as the Bombcast shows but still great.
 
Cheapy is a marketing genius.

Wombat does the Audible commercial. He promotes it by saying he just got Game of Thrones. Cheapy then tells him how dumb he is and that he should just watch the Blu-rays. :)
 
[quote name='gokuofheaven']Ship, it seems like you're having so many problems with your BRAND NEW PC. Even I felt frustrated seeing your tweets. I was getting ready to purchase mine a few months back when I ran into ibuypower, did some research and heard a lot of testimonials about their terrible service. Needless to say you should have went with Digital Storm instead. 2 week turnaround and top-notch customer service. I guess it's too late to say to return it? Anyways, happy PC Gaming.[/QUOTE]

I think Digital Storm is more expensive, but it's worth it to avoid the hassle. Avoid ibuypower and cyberpower like the plague.


Is saying "waiting on line" to describe people physically waiting in a line a New York thing? I noticed it a lot in this episode.
 
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I was the CAG who ran into Cheapy outside the Zen appointment. He must remember things differently because he wasn't "short" or anything other than completely friendly and gracious.

He let me talk his ear off for almost 10 minutes so if anything I'm sorry for interrupting his rest time. It really was a pleasure to meet him in person and it made me even happier to be a CAG for all these years.

- Pete
 
Dang, getting to Bombcast length, but I'm being honest when I say it's a nice length.
 
pocket planes is really cool, though I can't figure out how to attach it to CAG? So embarrassing

flight crew to CAG? I just changed it
 
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[quote name='Curufinwe']I think Digital Storm is more expensive, but it's worth it to avoid the hassle. Avoid ibuypower and cyberpower like the plague.

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The same specs he got can be had for $1499 except for the 16gb of ram. The Digital Storm ODE V2 at that price offers 8gb of ram. I'd happily pay a bit extra just for their customer service alone, all the techs there are extremely generous and helpful.
 
Wombat, stick with the books. Don't listen to Cheapy. After you are done with Game of Thrones, I guarantee you will know more about that world and story than Cheapy. The HBO series does a great job, and I definitely recommend watching after you are done reading, but it is nothing compared to the book.
 
[quote name='gokuofheaven']The same specs he got can be had for $1499 except for the 16gb of ram. The Digital Storm ODE V2 at that price offers 8gb of ram. I'd happily pay a bit extra just for their customer service alone, all the techs there are extremely generous and helpful.[/QUOTE]

Digital Storm is where I plan to buy my next PC from. I got my current one from Cyberpower in 2007 and they'll never see another cent from me.
 
Great show yet again, guys. Very interesting to hear about you dealing with people who have listened to the show in a "business" context. Honestly the idea of someone listening to the previous podcast (which was awesome and one of your best) and then meeting you guys right after at E3 is pretty funny. Still the occasional TMI nature of the CAGcast is what makes it one of the best podcasts in existence, so keep at it I say.
 
I really enjoy the podcast, but it is death when a subject is brought up, and then someone says, "I guess we'll talk about that later." Talk about it when it comes up, not when your show format dictates it should.
 
I don't think that truck had anything to do with Nick Tahou's. . . Hence them calling it a "Trash Plate". The Garbage plate can only be purchased at Nick's.

I for one used to get the Garbage plate with 1 burger, 1 red hot, macaroni salad and cold baked beans. Damn those were good.
 
[quote name='maxiell']I really enjoy the podcast, but it is death when a subject is brought up, and then someone says, "I guess we'll talk about that later." Talk about it when it comes up, not when your show format dictates it should.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. . . a show needs structure or it can become a bunch of aimless digressions.
 
[quote name='OCDBuzz311']I was the CAG who ran into Cheapy outside the Zen appointment. He must remember things differently because he wasn't "short" or anything other than completely friendly and gracious.

He let me talk his ear off for almost 10 minutes so if anything I'm sorry for interrupting his rest time. It really was a pleasure to meet him in person and it made me even happier to be a CAG for all these years.

- Pete[/QUOTE]

10 minutes and Cheapy thought he brushed you off? So humble. ;)
 
In Wombat's defense: they rammed a lot of t-shirts down our throats this year. My count was 6. 2 are for games we didn't see, but somehow I ended up with shirts for.
 
I was pretty disappointed to hear Ship's utter hate of the film Prometheus. I usually agree with Shipwreck on many of his reviews of games, but for movies, I can't really wrap my head around his taste. Especially the fact that he didn't mind Battleship which was absolutely dreadful throughout. Prometheus is not perfect in any shape or form, but it's light years better than a lot of the crap out in theaters today.
 
What's with all resentment toward E3 swag? I've actually heard several other podcasts mention a dislike for this swag. Is it the tourist equivalent of wearing a Hawaiian shirt with a camera around your neck? As someone that isn't in the business, I would jump at the opportunity for any free gifts given to me during an event like this. I mean that's what it's there for, right?
 
The thatgamecompany deal wasn't done so they could bring their current games to other platforms, but so that they could make their future games for multiple platforms. Sony owns the rights to their previous games.

Wombat, you don't need to download those PS+ games. Just purchase them and you can download them whenever you want to play them, though it might be time to do a hard drive upgrade if you're out of space.

[quote name='metallicoholic']What's with all resentment toward E3 swag? I've actually heard several other podcasts mention a dislike for this swag. Is it the tourist equivalent of wearing a Hawaiian shirt with a camera around your neck? As someone that isn't in the business, I would jump at the opportunity for any free gifts given to me during an event like this. I mean that's what it's there for, right?[/QUOTE]
It's because they're there to work and not to grab swag like it's a vacation.
 
[quote name='metallicoholic']What's with all resentment toward E3 swag? I've actually heard several other podcasts mention a dislike for this swag. Is it the tourist equivalent of wearing a Hawaiian shirt with a camera around your neck? As someone that isn't in the business, I would jump at the opportunity for any free gifts given to me during an event like this. I mean that's what it's there for, right?[/QUOTE]


I think people's issue is that E3 is not PAX. . . meaning E3 is an industry only event, where as an event such as PAX is for fans. Cosplay, swag grabbing, and fanboy applause is considered unprofessional by many people.
 
Since all three of you were VERY unimpressed with the Wii U, exactly what would make you guys want so that you can impressed with the next iteration of the PlayStation/Xbox. What more could they add besides better graphics and online play? Because if that's it, then what is there to care about?

I personally wasn't too impressed with the games previewed, since it just involved guiding little chibi characters though a landscape minigames or not or ports of this gen's games.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']The thatgamecompany deal wasn't done so they could bring their current games to other platforms, but so that they could make their future games for multiple platforms. Sony owns the rights to their previous games.

Wombat, you don't need to download those PS+ games. Just purchase them and you can download them whenever you want to play them, though it might be time to do a hard drive upgrade if you're out of space.


It's because they're there to work and not to grab swag like it's a vacation.[/QUOTE]

Wait, the CAG crew was there to work?? :D
Definitely seemed like vacation time to me. Which there is nothing wrong with. I'm glad they were able to have fun this year. I think Cheapy just needs to get over how he's seen amongst the other gaming sites, most of which are definitely there to bust their asses. He definitely seemed embarrassed of Wombat and Ship looking like tourists.
 
[quote name='basston3s']Wait, the CAG crew was there to work?? :D
Definitely seemed like vacation time to me. Which there is nothing wrong with. I'm glad they were able to have fun this year. I think Cheapy just needs to get over how he's seen amongst the other gaming sites, most of which are definitely there to bust their asses. He definitely seemed embarrassed of Wombat and Ship looking like tourists.[/QUOTE]
The work part of the sentence was referring to the podcasters he was talking about and the vacation part of it was talking about Cheapy, Wombat, and Shipwreck.
 
How can Cheapy compare the Wii U to a damn iPad. Stop fellating Apple! That comparison makes NO sense. Yes, it has the tablet controller, it's a new home console, though. That compares to an iPad how? *sigh*

Enjoyed the show otherwise, though!
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']The work part of the sentence was referring to the podcasters he was talking about and the vacation part of it was talking about Cheapy, Wombat, and Shipwreck.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up. It's still weird that Cheapy looks down on the swag so much. He looks down on it like the press does. It's not like he has a reputation to uphold :p
 
[quote name='gokuofheaven']Ship, it seems like you're having so many problems with your BRAND NEW PC. Even I felt frustrated seeing your tweets. I was getting ready to purchase mine a few months back when I ran into ibuypower, did some research and heard a lot of testimonials about their terrible service. Needless to say you should have went with Digital Storm instead. 2 week turnaround and top-notch customer service. I guess it's too late to say to return it? Anyways, happy PC Gaming.[/QUOTE]

It took like a month for my iBuyPower system to be built after I ordered it during one of the holiday sales - it sat for weeks on the "gathering parts" stage too. However I wasn't under any time constraint, so other than the anticipation I didn't bug the company for updates.

One nice thing that occured was I had selected ground shipping to save some $$ but iBuyPower shipped it air anyways. The computer unexpectantly arrived the day after it completed - I wonder if they ship it air regardless to avoid any potential issues that could occur during ground shipping.

The gurgling sound you mentioned with the water cooling is one issue that is frequently reported in iBuyPower support forums. Basically it sounds like the water cooler they use are cheap. Some of the coolers have air in the lines which causes the sound. When I read about that I called them up to change from the water cooling solution to a CPU fan.

I did run in to one issue when I got the computer. I quickly discovered my second hard drive wasn't hooked up nor formatted. It wasn't a huge deal as it was easily rectified but obviouslly that didn't get tested during their quality assurance check process.

In any case the computer hasn't had any technical problems since I got it and I'm happy with it. The price was inexpensive for what was included and its always worth it for me to pay a little extra to have someone else build the system than have me spend time putting it together and troubleshooting.
 
I don't understand why so many people shy away from building their own computers. It's really not that hard. I typically save $300+ by building my own towers and the experience I've gotten by building my own computer has given me the opportunity to build for friends and turn a small profit. The added value for building my own computer means I'm much more invested in any computer I've built than any computer I've ever bought.
 
[quote name='S0LIDARITY']I don't understand why so many people shy away from building their own computers. It's really not that hard. I typically save $300+ by building my own towers and the experience I've gotten by building my own computer has given me the opportunity to build for friends and turn a small profit. The added value for building my own computer means I'm much more invested in any computer I've built than any computer I've ever bought.[/QUOTE]

I've built PCs in the past. It's not that I can't do it, I just don't find it enjoyable. I'd rather spend the money and have someone else build it for me.
 
It's too bad that you've had problems with your PC Shipwreck, but damn - an ibuypower PC? What would you expect?

OCDBuzz311 - It is nice that Cheapy talked to you, but why wouldn't he take the time? You and everyone else on here sign his paycheck. Take it easy, he's a guy that runs a website.

Finally, I'm wondering how Ship and Wombat got invited to the show? I can understand Cheapy getting an invite because he owns the site. Shipwreck seems like a nice guy, but he's a "Reviews Editor" that rarely does reviews, and Wombat does even less (thankfully, since he's annoying and his writing is awful).
 
I haven't had a chance to listen to the show yet, but Wombat's twitter mentioned Dragon's Dogma & since it's mentioned here, I just thought I'd throw this in: I was really looking forward to this game. But the demo was only 'ok' and finally I just decided "well, it's Capcom. Somehow it'll be screwed up" and I didn't buy it. For me (note: I'm not saying for all gamers), they are the worst kind of publisher. Tons of DLC - when you buy the game its just a drop in the bucket of the final cost. Also, games are riddled with crappy design choices that seem to be there just to hinder the player.

Had this been a Bethesda game I'd have no problems putting my money on the table. But Capcom? Nah, they'd screw it up.
 
[quote name='Errockk']I was pretty disappointed to hear Ship's utter hate of the film Prometheus. I usually agree with Shipwreck on many of his reviews of games, but for movies, I can't really wrap my head around his taste. Especially the fact that he didn't mind Battleship which was absolutely dreadful throughout. Prometheus is not perfect in any shape or form, but it's light years better than a lot of the crap out in theaters today.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya. Ship is one of the few game reviewers who I tend to agree with on most things.. But I think he has opposite tastes in movies than me haha.

But I think you gotta be a Ridley Scott fan and/or Alien fan to really love it though...
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I've built PCs in the past. It's not that I can't do it, I just don't find it enjoyable. I'd rather spend the money and have someone else build it for me.[/QUOTE]
That's fair, I just think a lot of people who are scared of the challenge might surprise themselves and end up enjoying it.

I look at the cost of buying a desktop as the value of my time, It typically takes me about an hour to build the tower, throw in an hour for for OS installation and set-up and that spells out 2 hours for $300 in savings. My time is certainly worth less than $150 an hour, but I like building a computer. I'd still be building my own towers if my time equated $20 an hour. I guess what I'm getting at is that Shipwreck's time might be worth more than $150 an hour.
 
[quote name='Curufinwe']Is saying "waiting on line" to describe people physically waiting in a line a New York thing? I noticed it a lot in this episode.[/QUOTE]

Ya both Wombat and Cheapy do it. Are they walking on top of people or browsing the internet on their phone.

So where are the PC flamers talking about how you can buy a PC for $500 but then never mention you'll need to keep upgrading it every 1.5-2 years. Or did they already flame when Cheapy got his PC a few weeks back?

Great podcast and the 20-30min audioboos were awesome. I had listened to them as Cheapy posted them, so this podcast was really only 1.5hr, which is the perfect length.
 
I totally agree with shipwreck: Prometheus is terrible. I wonder if the vague and convoluted writing is due to it being co-written by Damian lindlof, who was a writer for lost.

Also I think you guys, in the audio boo, are confusing asynchronous and asymmetrical gaming
 
One of the funnier things about the Xbox LIVE Games on Demand sale is one of the titles, Facebreaker. EA shut down the server for it so you can't do multiplayer. They're selling it essentially broken.
 
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