Chrono Cross, FFV & FFVI joining Chrono Trigger on PSN 11/8, 11/22 & 12/6

$9.99?? If it is $5.99 then i am in no questions asked. I still have the ds version collecting dust anyway.


Edit: Just noticed amazon is offering 10.80 for the DS version. I'll trade that in and use the credit toward the psn version. I hope the load times are gone, since it i reading off the HD
 
[quote name='mr_burnzz']That's nice but I've already played the shit outta this game on snes, ps1 and ds. Pass.[/QUOTE]

So did I... but I'm not gonna lie, I'll probably buy it again. I hope Frog has his original dialogue though... he just isn't the same without his medieval accent.
 
[quote name='matrix9280']Was hoping for Chrono Cross. Who's foolish enough to pay for Chrono Trigger when they can play it for free?[/QUOTE]

I would (if I already didn't own the SNES and PS1 versions) better question I'd ask is who'd really want to play Chrono Cross? The pseudo sequel (originally Radical Dreamers which had Chrono Trigger stuff shoe horned in to make a "sequel")

I tried playing it 3 years ago (I bought it day one back in 98-99 whenever it came out) and played it for 5 hours (then and now total) got a bunch of crappy companions, got sick of the battle system and said screw it and haven't played it since.

I'll say it again, this game isn't a true successor to Chrono Trigger never will be and never was (only other than in name, and that's even debatable) until they stuffed some references in there, which was stupid. Anyway off the soapbox, just don't see what people see in Cross is all, it's not the sequel I was expecting or wanted from a game I've put in over 300+ hours into and greatly enjoyed.
 
I have the cartridge... I'm not buying this game again. lol I've beaten it once, I don't need to do it again. But its great that its available.
 
[quote name='uncle5555']
I'll say it again, this game isn't a true successor to Chrono Trigger never will be and never was (only other than in name, and that's even debatable) until they stuffed some references in there, which was stupid. Anyway off the soapbox, just don't see what people see in Cross is all, it's not the sequel I was expecting or wanted from a game I've put in over 300+ hours into and greatly enjoyed.[/QUOTE]

I don't get why so many people expect Chrono Cross to be a direct sequel. The subtle ties they had between Cross/Trigger never felt forced and I always felt it was meant to stand on its own. CC wasn't as good as CT but it was a fantastic game nonetheless and probably the best PS1 game IMO.

CT is my favorite RPG of all time but I don't let that keep me from enjoying another game because it's not "Chrono Trigger 2". Each game needs to be judged on its own. But I completely agree that CC's cast was very weak... with 40 playable characters, only 4 or 5 had any actual personalities.
 
[quote name='uncle5555']I would (if I already didn't own the SNES and PS1 versions) better question I'd ask is who'd really want to play Chrono Cross? The pseudo sequel (originally Radical Dreamers which had Chrono Trigger stuff shoe horned in to make a "sequel")

I tried playing it 3 years ago (I bought it day one back in 98-99 whenever it came out) and played it for 5 hours (then and now total) got a bunch of crappy companions, got sick of the battle system and said screw it and haven't played it since.

I'll say it again, this game isn't a true successor to Chrono Trigger never will be and never was (only other than in name, and that's even debatable) until they stuffed some references in there, which was stupid. Anyway off the soapbox, just don't see what people see in Cross is all, it's not the sequel I was expecting or wanted from a game I've put in over 300+ hours into and greatly enjoyed.[/QUOTE]

CC is widely regarded as being the best RPG to come out on the PS1, so I imagine there would be plenty of people that want to play it. The minority that didn't like it would be the people that couldn't get over the fact it was a direct sequel.

The game had some of the best graphics of its time, a very good story (though plot based and certainly not character based), a very good battle system (though I thought it was a little shallow) and had one of the best soundtracks of all time. You missed out.

Dave
 
[quote name='Gden']Most likely the PS1 game. So, horrendous load times.[/QUOTE]

I thought the load times were from the slow CD drive on the PS1.
 
Yeah I doubt that the load times would carry over.

Example; Playing a DVD and playing an .AVI on your computer, would have different load speeds.
 
With any type of emulation and/or virtualization timing can be a very important thing in regards to maintaining compatibility. So much so that increasing the disc access speed of PS1 games on the PS2 often broke titles due to them expecting one level of disc access but yet the PS2 was forcing another. (audio skipping, graphical corruption, or just plain not booting at all)

So it really all comes down to how tied to the disc access speed each PS1 title is rather than all PS1 disc images inherently benefiting from being played from the HDD.
 
I know when I vehemently repute games people like that I expect comments to the opposite, I might learn one day, probably not. ;)

[quote name='Vinny']I don't get why so many people expect Chrono Cross to be a direct sequel. The subtle ties they had between Cross/Trigger never felt forced and I always felt it was meant to stand on its own. CC wasn't as good as CT but it was a fantastic game nonetheless and probably the best PS1 game IMO.

CT is my favorite RPG of all time but I don't let that keep me from enjoying another game because it's not "Chrono Trigger 2". Each game needs to be judged on its own. But I completely agree that CC's cast was very weak... with 40 playable characters, only 4 or 5 had any actual personalities.[/QUOTE]

You said it there, those ties should never have been made, and is what cheapens the game for me. if they had a good game it should have stood on its own instead of being called the follow up to CT.

And I'm glad some people can overlook the flaws this game has, I'm not one of them, I like the Suikoden games (1 & 2 mainly) because of the story and gameplay, but the character development is atrocious, 101 recruitable characters is stupid, same here for the 40 you can get into your party, a luchadore, a skeleton man you have to put together....seriously. They went from having the Dream Team of RPG creators come together to well a game based off of a game no one had ever heard of, that's more than just a slight let down to say the least.

[quote name='MightySlacker']CC is widely regarded as being the best RPG to come out on the PS1, so I imagine there would be plenty of people that want to play it. The minority that didn't like it would be the people that couldn't get over the fact it was a direct sequel.

The game had some of the best graphics of its time, a very good story (though plot based and certainly not character based), a very good battle system (though I thought it was a little shallow) and had one of the best soundtracks of all time. You missed out.

Dave[/QUOTE]

Except that it was a shoehorned sequel as I've already said...

You, Vinny and I hang out in different circles then, Vagrant Story is my personal favorite PS1 RPG, which runs rings around CC (in every aspect of the last paragraph you point out). But honestly there is more love for the FF titles (FF7/8) than that game (and VS) than any of their Chrono brethren, those game have their own vocal fanbase (which I suppose you are one of them) that love the game ceaselessly, but it wasn't and isn't the best PS1 RPG out there (except you and other fans of the game who think so), and yes I guess I did miss out, but I can't overlook the serious flaws in the game (how I see it, and admitted to by others) to give it that chance that it deserves.

Being derived from a text based Satella View game didn't help and also being called a sequel to CT wasn't in its best interest despite what Vinny claims to the opposite, it should have been called Chrono Chronicles: Radical Dreamers or something like that (and was marketed as the direct sequel), but it wasn't, as is what it is, much to my personal dismay (and not being able to separate the two in my mind to enjoy it because or in spite of that fact. I bought it in 98/99 thinking it was one thing, it was something else entirely.

"The game belongs to the Chrono series and is a gaiden, or side story, to the 1995 game Chrono Trigger. It was released to complement its predecessor's plot, and later served as inspiration for Chrono Cross.[4] It features text-based gameplay with minimal graphics and sound effects, and was scored by composer Yasunori Mitsuda."
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It doesn't discount your love for it nor my derision of the game, but when I compare it to its forefather, it doesn't hold a candle. One day I might again try to overlook my issues with it and give it a fair shake as I tried to do 3 years ago, but honestly unless I get amnesia that's going to be mighty hard to do, so it'll sit in the case unloved waiting for me to play it one day...maybe, maybe not.
 
In terms of it being marketed as a direct sequel, I'm not arguing against that but as far as I recall, that's all it was, marketing. I don't recall reading anything anywhere about it being a continuation or story related game though I could be wrong... actually, most of what I read was about how the artist (the Dragonball guy) wasn't involved anymore.

Additionally, and again I'm not sure about this part either, but I've read that the reason why CC only had subtle ties instead of being direct sequel might have been due to trademark or copyright issues with the characters. Apparently Square didn't have rights to the characters (the DQ artist did) so they couldn't make a proper sequel even if they wanted to. That's why SE can still re-release CT all they want but they can't use the characters in another game. Again, not sure if that's true or not... I haven't really bothered to check (or have the know-how as to how to do it).

Regardless, I see where you're coming from.
 
I tend to look at a game like Chrono Cross or say Deus Ex Invisible War and play them on their own merits rather than being disappointed that they aren't a true sequel because, after all, neither of their titles contains the number 2.

The developers/publishers in those cases are outright telegraphing to the players that the release isn't intended to be a full-fledged sequel so I approach it as a side-story and give it some slack in that regard.

Or for a more modern example: Think of what BioWare not putting that 2 after the latest Dragon Age could have done for fan reception and perception had we all known going in that it was a side-story to Origins rather than a sequel.
 
I have this on DS in backlog. Unless there's something different about this version being released. I'll pass, then again I have a feeling there was significant differences in the SNES and PS1 version.
 
I've played the first five or so hours of this game on DS TWICE now (I keep selling the game, like a fool), I really wanna play through the game but I just don't think I have the patience right now with so much stuff out there. I would still be curious to know if they still have the loading errors or if the lack of a disc removed that entirely.
 
[quote name='Vinny']In terms of it being marketed as a direct sequel, I'm not arguing against that but as far as I recall, that's all it was, marketing. I don't recall reading anything anywhere about it being a continuation or story related game though I could be wrong... actually, most of what I read was about how the artist (the Dragonball guy) wasn't involved anymore.

Additionally, and again I'm not sure about this part either, but I've read that the reason why CC only had subtle ties instead of being direct sequel might have been due to trademark or copyright issues with the characters. Apparently Square didn't have rights to the characters (the DQ artist did) so they couldn't make a proper sequel even if they wanted to. That's why SE can still re-release CT all they want but they can't use the characters in another game. Again, not sure if that's true or not... I haven't really bothered to check (or have the know-how as to how to do it).

Regardless, I see where you're coming from.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

And to clear up your questions, it wasn't a matter of who owns what, if you read the Wikipedia article I linked too, the scenario creator said there was a lot of loose ends he wanted to tie up hence the creation of Radical Dreamers and the ties to Chrono Cross being added in when they made the game proper
(Magus's story being a major plot point he wanted to fix up)

But since Squenix is one company now the licensing issues shouldn't be an issue now, with Toriyama or anyone else, hell when they did the additional content on the DS version no one balked. The thing I always found interesting was on the PS1 port they omitted Mitsuda's name from the composing credits (only Uematsu is named) (watch the intro's for both versions of the game, it's not there on the PS1 version if my memory serves me correctly)

I'd have to look for the old advertisements (I might have scanned them a few years back) but they heavily marketed it as a CT sequel, plus in the reviews it was almost always mentioned that there were ties in the game to be found.

So there might be a legal issue I'm not aware of either, I would be surprised if there is one though.


[quote name='Narcisstalker']I tend to look at a game like Chrono Cross or say Deus Ex Invisible War and play them on their own merits rather than being disappointed that they aren't a true sequel because, after all, neither of their titles contains the number 2.

The developers/publishers in those cases are outright telegraphing to the players that the release isn't intended to be a full-fledged sequel so I approach it as a side-story and give it some slack in that regard.

Or for a more modern example: Think of what BioWare not putting that 2 after the latest Dragon Age could have done for fan reception and perception had we all known going in that it was a side-story to Origins rather than a sequel.[/QUOTE]

Hmm....thanks for posting that, I've never thought of it on those terms (I don't like DX:IW much either compared to DX), it might help me get over my loathing for CC one of these days.
 
ummmm, schala is in the time devourer. spoiler. cross was just a big side quest to save schala from lavos after he evolved/went through time. yeah. it's only the secret boss battle and blue haired kid and yeah, not a sequel at all. kidd = schala
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10 bucks is a hard sell when you own the game multiple times like I do. When ever I have an inch, I play either my DS version or my SNES copy. Not a game I can't wait for is Suikoden II. Debuting should I pull the trigger on the first one.
 
[quote name='Velo214']...[/QUOTE]

Spoiler tags dude, not everyone's played the game... or couldn't because it wasn't a direct sequel.:p

I won't lie though, that caught me off guard when I originally played the game. I never saw it until I beat the game and read some stuff online, which pointed out all the ties.
 
I'm definitely up to playing Chrono Cross again as I haven't played it since it was released. My problem then being can/will I possibly be able to power through it before 11-11-11 when all other game playing stops.
 
Definitely buying Chrono Cross. I have been clamoring for this to come out on PSN since, well, since Squeenix PS1 titles started coming to PSN. I love V, and VI, but I love my GBA versions a lot, so I'm good with those.
 
[quote name='uncle5555']
I tried playing it 3 years ago (I bought it day one back in 98-99 whenever it came out) and played it for 5 hours (then and now total) [/QUOTE]

so you come to quick judgements and only when you get to 300 hours do you truly appreciate a game, but if you cant get past that 5 hours...


lol
 
Hell yeah, about time they put Chrono Cross on PSN. Now I have even more of a reason to get a Vita, too. Being able to play Chrono Cross anywhere? Yes please.
 
[quote name='timesplitt']so you come to quick judgements and only when you get to 300 hours do you truly appreciate a game, but if you cant get past that 5 hours...


lol[/QUOTE]

Was wondering why this thread was bumped again...(2 threads for these games, why?)

I'm out of arguments for CC, see the first page. Are you one of those masochists who has to play something for 10 hours to get a "feel" for it? I'm not, I've played over 3000+ games in 30 years, I think I have a handle on what I like and what I don't (and what I think is good, emphasis on underlined).

If I don't like something, no I'm not going to put up with playing it any longer than I have too, even with giving it a fair chance. If I think it's crap, I'll just usually put it down in 15 minutes most of the time, I just really don't like the game (CC) on the many merits I've pointed out time and time again. Again it shouldn't come as any disrespect for those who like it, and was pointed out again in this very thread... (I'm seeing a trend here :whistle2:#)

I'm happy for those who like the game and will finally have the opportunity to play it again (or for the first time) to be able to get it on PSN.

Anyway re-read what I said, I said I played CT (and FF3) 300 hours is how much I loved (and could stand it) before I got tired of playing them. Doesn't mean they still aren't good games. After tolerating CC, for 5 hours I couldn't stand anymore, does either of my experiences invalidate the other, no I didn't think so, no reason to be a jerk about my opinion, whether you find it amusing or trivial due to your perceived (quality) time amount I played on it (to be able to make a good judgment on what I thought of it).

If I had said 6 hours would it have made a difference? :roll:

Gonna have to ignore this thread too much bad mojo in here for me.
 
[quote name='uncle5555']
I'm out of arguments for CC, see the first page. Are you one of those masochists who has to play something for 10 hours to get a "feel" for it? I'm not, I've played over 3000+ games in 30 years, I think I have a handle on what I like and what I don't (and what I think is good, emphasis on underlined).

If I don't like something, no I'm not going to put up with playing it any longer than I have too, even with giving it a fair chance. If I think it's crap, I'll just usually put it down in 15 minutes most of the time, I just really don't like the game (CC) on the many merits I've pointed out time and time again. Again it shouldn't come as any disrespect for those who like it, and was pointed out again in this very thread... (I'm seeing a trend here :whistle2:#)[/QUOTE]
some of your arguments(outside the battlesystem) were however that of someone who played it for 30 when you didn't. thats what i got from your posts


its like someone complaining about aeriths death but never getting that far
 
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I can generally tolerate most JRPGs that have decent to good battle systems and look beyond the often saccharine storylines and throw-away characters.

I can't make it passed the second disc of Lost Odyssey. LO is absolutely fantastic in most regards but the battle system is so slow and boring that even once installed the pace and loading is just abusive to the player.

As for CC having too many crap characters well so do the Suikoden games (SACRILEGE!!!) but I still love most of them dearly.

It has been a long time since I played CC though so I could be nostalgically remembering a battle system which I now no longer have the patience for.
 
[quote name='illmatic21']Hell yeah, about time they put Chrono Cross on PSN. Now I have even more of a reason to get a Vita, too. Being able to play Chrono Cross anywhere? Yes please.[/QUOTE]

That on Vita is a sale right there
 
[quote name='uncle5555']Was wondering why this thread was bumped again...(2 threads for these games, why?)QUOTE]I made this thread in Sept. for chrono trigger & there was plent of discussion regarding Chrono Cross in it so when I heard about the other titles I updated the thread accordingly. I try not to abandon my threads & keep them up to date but that's just me.
 
Because, that was a chrono trigger thread, this is a FFVI, V, and CC thread. jJst like in the main deals section when there's a really awesome deal that's mentioned in a general thread but then gets it's own thread. No one cares, because it's a great deal, and not everyone checks the other threads.
 
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