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Plan To Dilute Job Protection Sparks Anger Across France

The new French government plan to relax the socialist, "right to work" laws spark angry protests from France's young adults last week. The current employment laws which forbid an employer from firing a hired worker for up to 2 years, is being called a failure and the new plan is thought to make France a better competitor in the global economy. The new Plan ? Freedom.

Giving employers the freedom to hire and fire workers at will will help business expand and contract with the changing economy. Right now, employers are reluctant to hire new workers for fear of not being able to meet a payroll during an economic downturn. The burden of paying unnecessary workforce and going into bankruptcy outweighs the social compulsion to provide employment for the greater good of society.

Meanwhile, angry protestors wearing garbage bags shout that they will be treated as a disposable workforce and it is not fair to allow employers to fire people when everyone should be guaranteed a job in life. Current unemployment of the young adult population is 25%, 50% among impoverished youth.

Windows were broken in businesses and shops and protestors stormed a McDonald's and burned cars to garner sympathy for their cause.

One wonders why any employer would want to hire such ungrateful, demanding young people at all. Jobs are not rights, they are privlidges. There are also no guarantees in life except failure for those who are unwilling to put forth an effort for their own sustinance and demand they be given their daily bread instead of earning it outright. They are demonstrating not that they will be treated as throwaway workers, but that they are already wasteful human beings with no intrinsic value other than place holders who can not earn a rightful place in society on their own, but must have it provided for them on demand.
 
The evilness inside me says to give the people what they demand - full fledged communism, so that everyone will be guaranteed to be miserable.
 
I don't think anyone here wants to see "full-fledged" communism, though some socialist programs particularly universal healthcare such as in Canada should be explored further.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I don't think anyone here wants to see "full-fledged" communism, though some socialist programs particularly universal healthcare such as in Canada should be explored further.[/quote]
Nope.
 
Funny you should post this. I just got done reading an article about how tax rates in Britain are the highest they've ever been in both rates and percentage of GDP. Top marginal rate will top 83%. Who the hell would work for 17% of every dollar they made?

In addition to that, E-Z-B will deny deny deny this, Britian's NHS (National Health Service) is bleeding to death despite 10's of billions pounds being added to existing budgets. Both France and Britain are what Democrats wish we could emulate and both are in horrible shape from an economic standpoint due to their national policies.

The Sunday Times - Britain


The Sunday Times March 19, 2006

Taxes hit all-time high
David Smith, Economics Editor

GORDON BROWN is about to raise Britain’s tax burden to its highest-ever level, raking in nearly £1m a minute.
An analysis by the accountants Ernst & Young, based on the Treasury’s own figures, shows the chancellor will match the record high for the tax burden this year and rise above it next year.

That means it will be higher than in the 1970s under Denis Healey, when the top rate of income tax was 83%, and the early 1980s, when it was 60%.

Brown will unveil his 10th budget on Wednesday, which Treasury sources say will be an exercise in “consolidation”.

The Ernst & Young analysis shows that the tax burden excluding North Sea oil revenues, the best measure of the load faced by families and businesses, will be 37.6% of gross domestic product this year, close to the 37.7% peak reached in the early 1980s.

Next year it will reach 37.8%, before rising to 38.1%.

“It’s an all-time high and we’re entering uncharted waters,” said Peter Spencer, economic adviser to the Ernst & Young Item Club, a forecasting group. “We know higher taxes help explain what is happening on Britain’s high streets.”

Treasury figures show tax revenues will total £490 billion this year, up from £271 billion when Brown took office. The £219 billion rise is equivalent to £9,000 for every household in Britain.

Under Brown the number of people paying higher rate tax has risen from just over 2m to 3.5m, according to Office for National Statistics data. By the end of this parliament it will have risen to 4m, experts say.

“If he stays at the Treasury, he’ll have doubled the number of higher rate taxpayers,” said Mike Warburton of Grant Thornton, the accountants.

The total number of income tax payers has risen by 3.5m to 29.2m since 1997, outstripping the rise in the number of people in jobs. The number of estates subject to inheritance tax has also risen from 15,000 to 35,000 a year.

“After nine years of Gordon Brown and 10 budgets this will be his legacy, the highest tax burden ever,” said George Osborne, shadow chancellor.

Calculations by Patrick Minford, of Cardiff Business School, show that — including Vat, excise duties, National Insurance and income tax — a basic rate taxpayer pays £48.50 in tax on every £100 earned. Among higher rate taxpayers the figure is £57.10.

“People are starting to wake up to the fact Britain is a high tax country,” said Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the Taxpayers’ Alliance.

Businesses are also facing higher taxes. Newly released official figures show the corporation tax bill of Britain’s small companies has more than doubled in five years, rising from £4.4 billion to an estimated £9.5 billion.

“The thing I hear from all quarters is that it is not just that they’re taking it off you, it’s that when they do they haven’t spent it wisely,” said Sir Digby Jones, CBI director-general.

The poor performance of the National Health Service, despite tens of billions of extra funding, is in the spotlight, with hospitals cutting staff and cancelling operations because of financial deficits.

The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, in its latest survey of Britain’s economy, said improvements in public services were proving “slow to come” despite the big injection of extra spending.

A Tory party analysis suggests government debt, including public sector pension liabilities, is more than £1,500 billion, or 127% of GDP, compared with the £442 billion, or less than 40% of GDP, claimed by ministers.
Times Online.UK
 
Come on Alonzo, join this party, or do you libs need a seperate topic unto yourselves to hem and haw about whether to be outraged at ungrateful rioting peasants whose system thwarts economic growth or the rich ruling class for taking away the entitlements of the poor for the good of the economy?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Come on Alonzo, join this party, or do you libs need a seperate topic unto yourselves to hem and haw about whether to be outraged at ungrateful rioting peasants whose system thwarts economic growth or the rich ruling class for taking away the entitlements of the poor for the good of the economy?[/quote]

My topic is making a point I've often made, that whenever a non muslim group behaves in a certain way they are often assumed to have a non religious goal. When a muslim behaves in a certain way, then the goal is assumed to be religious, regardless of the circumstances. It has nothing to do with economics.

I care little about business rights, and have no issue with policies ensuring workers have jobs. But if businesses are harmed, then job prospects may be harmed even more. So these very laws may be preventing workers from having jobs. At face value they are harmful but, in the end, they may be beneficial.

I don't agree, nor disagree, with either side on this issue. I think they both have good points, but the students may be ignoring the end result of this policy, and reacting without fully understanding it. Then again they may be right. It's very close, but if forced I'd probably say the students are wrong.

In addition to that, E-Z-B will deny deny deny this, Britian's NHS (National Health Service) is bleeding to death despite 10's of billions pounds being added to existing budgets. Both France and Britain are what Democrats wish we could emulate and both are in horrible shape from an economic standpoint due to their national policies.
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Pointing out the flaws in democracy in some countries, or the flaws of capitalism in others, doesn't make a good argument against the concepts. The point is can these things be properly executed and, when they are, are they beneficial? There's a canadian way to have universal health care, a british way, a swedish way, a german way etc. It's impossible to say "liberals want to emulate their health care system" because when you say that about different countries, you are using examples of systems that often run very differently.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I care little about business rights, and have no issue with policies ensuring workers have jobs.[/QUOTE]

That pretty much says it all.
 
This still leaves the problem of laying off workers who've been around for more than 2 years and in my experience limited though it may be people seem to become rather unmotivated when they've held a job forever and know they can't easily be fired.
 
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