Courageous mom single-handedly takes on the RIAA

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Taking on a "professional" group of lawyers without any representation - that's gutsy. Hats off to this lady, she's standing up for common-sense justice. In the world of corporations, record cartels take the cake when it comes to victimizing the weak and ignorant.

WHITE PLAINS, New York -- It was Easter Sunday, and Patricia Santangelo was in church with her kids when she says the music recording industry peeked into her computer and decided to take her to court.
Santangelo says she has never downloaded a single song on her computer, but the industry didn't see it that way. The woman from Wappingers Falls, about 80 miles north of New York City, is among the more than 16,000 people who have been sued for allegedly pirating music through file-sharing computer networks.

"I assumed that when I explained to them who I was and that I wasn't a computer downloader, it would just go away," she said in an interview. "I didn't really understand what it all meant. But they just kept insisting on a financial settlement."

The industry is demanding thousands of dollars to settle the case, but Santangelo, unlike the 3,700 defendants who have already settled, says she will stand on principle and fight the lawsuit.

"It's a moral issue," she said. "I can't sign something that says I agree to stop doing something I never did."

If the downloading was done on her computer, Santangelo thinks it may have been the work of a young friend of her children. Santangelo, 43, has been described by a federal judge as "an internet-illiterate parent, who does not know Kazaa from kazoo, and who can barely retrieve her e-mail." Kazaa is the peer-to-peer software program used to share files.

The drain on her resources to fight the case -- she's divorced, has five children aged 7 to 19 and works as a property manager for a real estate company -- forced her this month to drop her lawyer and begin representing herself.

"There was just no way I could continue on with a lawyer," she said. "I'm out $24,000 and we haven't even gone to trial."...
 
Someone needs to make one of those internet panhandling sites to raise money for her.

If that bitch Karyn Bosnak could raise money for her frivolous credit debt, then certainly money can be raised to combat the RIAA.
 
[quote name='guardian_owl']I'm sure if the case get's bet enough in the news some attention-whore lawyer will offer their services pro bono.[/QUOTE]

Well a group like the EFF might take up her case, but I'd never call someone on her side an "attention whore". Pro bono work may have free advertising side-benefits, but I doubt this case would advertise like a sexy double murder or bizarre insanity case.
 
Brave but very, very stupid. As much as I dislike the RIAA and their tactics, I feel little sympathy for someone foolish enough to take them on with little to no legal advice and waste thousands of dollars more (that she can't afford) on a case she won't win than it was to settle it. Though I don't know all the facts obviously, even if she got some real attention starved lawyer, I don't see her winning this case.
 
A federal judge described her as "an internet-illiterate parent, who does not know Kazaa from kazoo, and who can barely retrieve her e-mail." Its not hopeless.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Brave but very, very stupid. As much as I dislike the RIAA and their tactics, I feel little sympathy for someone foolish enough to take them on with little to no legal advice and waste thousands of dollars more (that she can't afford) on a case she won't win than it was to settle it. Though I don't know all the facts obviously, even if she got some real attention starved lawyer, I don't see her winning this case.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and I think that highlights the problem. The RIAA can stack the odds in their favor by writing the law through sympathetic paid-for congressmen such as Orrin Hatch. They then just retain enough high-powered lawyers capable of suing any common citizen who disagrees into oblivion.

Imagine if the schools fined little Johnnie's parents thousands of dollars for one instance of class disruption. Or a mall fined little Susan's parents thousands of dollars for attempting to pickpocket one CD. The punishment must fit the crime.

However the music industry sucks anyway, and I truly believe that noone should pay them one more dime until they stop suing poor families.
 
I cant stand the RIAA, they are just big bullies pushing the little guy around. If she had a site askin for paypal donations, I would give her a couple bucks to say a big FOOK You to the RIAA. Next is the MPAA there are bunch of asses too, but one tyranical group at a time.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I cant stand the RIAA, they are just big bullies pushing the little guy around. If she had a site askin for paypal donations, I would give her a couple bucks to say a big FOOK You to the RIAA. Next is the MPAA there are bunch of asses too, but one tyranical group at a time.[/QUOTE]

There was another time this was done, and the person who promised to go to court with the RIAA ended up settling and using the money as part of their settlement. While I may applaud this woman's efforts, I'm a bit more skeptical these days, that's why I usually just end up giving money to the EFF. Got to have that big picture view.

http://www.eff.org/
 
Just because she said she doesn't know how the files got on her computer doesn't mean she's innocent. Yet, the RIAA has been wrong before so it is possible. I think the legality of the case all goes back to the question asked in the last paragraph of this article.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7160.cfm

Instead, she thinks the likely culprit could have been a friend of her children. That brings an important question up - is an IP address and some information on the actual music files enough to sustain a lawsuit against n Internet account holder? We will perhaps find that out soon, as Santangelo has requested a trial by jury.
 
Its really funny... I know people with thousands of songs on their PCs and they get in no trouble, however, RIAA keeps going after dead people that didn't even own PCs...
 
[quote name='Kayden']Its really funny... I know people with thousands of songs on their PCs and they get in no trouble, however, RIAA keeps going after dead people that didn't even own PCs...[/QUOTE]

The RIAA cannot go after every person. I believe that at least 1/3 if not more of the people in America download music/movies in one form or another. If I send a friend (who doesn't dl) a song, they are now guilty of this and thus can be sued. However, the RIAA can only make an example out of certain people who they feel will best give up, and recoup some of their losses through settlements or discourage others by getting media attention. However, your chances of being caught is so minute that I personally believe that the RIAA will never win.
 
[quote name='greenbags125'] and recoup some of their losses through settlements or discourage others by getting media attention.[/QUOTE]

With the size of most of the settlements the RIAA probably spends more paying their techies and lawyers than they collect back. If the RIAA ever does win it's going to be thanks to itunes and other affordable music downloading services not through their efforts to piss off the general population
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']With the size of most of the settlements the RIAA probably spends more paying their techies and lawyers than they collect back. If the RIAA ever does win it's going to be thanks to itunes and other affordable music downloading services not through their efforts to piss off the general population[/QUOTE]

Actually the RIAA wins every day - they are just a group of lawyers and lobbyists, and they are being paid hansomely by the record cartels.

The record cartels are the groups that stand to lose the most, after the mothers and teenagers that the RIAA targets in their lawsuits.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']With the size of most of the settlements the RIAA probably spends more paying their techies and lawyers than they collect back. If the RIAA ever does win it's going to be thanks to itunes and other affordable music downloading services not through their efforts to piss off the general population[/QUOTE]
It's more of a scare tactic really. They want to show that they would be willing to go after the little guy like you and me.
 
[quote name='docvinh']It's more of a scare tactic really. They want to show that they would be willing to go after the little guy like you and me.[/QUOTE]

But wouldn't it be more scary to hear about someone who just got sued for $250,000 than someone who broke down and paid a few thousand?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']But wouldn't it be more scary to hear about someone who just got sued for $250,000 than someone who broke down and paid a few thousand?[/QUOTE]
They strike at the weak, bend them to settle. If they went after someone for a vast amount of money they might actually put up a fight, and if they win, then they have a case set with precedent against the RIAA, which is what they do not want.
 
[quote name='guardian_owl']They strike at the weak, bend them to settle. If they went after someone for a vast amount of money they might actually put up a fight, and if they win, then they have a case set with precedent against the RIAA, which is what they do not want.[/QUOTE]

I fully understand that, I'm talking about suing some poor college student for a quarter million, great shock value.
 
Another lawsuit against the RIAA, this time for witness tampering.

In an attempt to sort out a web miscommunication, the court ordered another deposition of Granado on December 16, 2005. When asked why she changed her story, Granado would testify the music industry’s lawyer Matthew Krichbaum had coerced her into committing perjury, even before the first deposition. It was also testified that Mr. Krichbaum continued to contact Granado after the second deposition, in an attempt to have her go back to her original testimony, regardless of the truth – “otherwise he would lose his case.” Granado also testified that the Nelson's were not coercing or offering favors to her in any way, and they only wanted her to be truthful.

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1045

Please change your testimony or I lose my case? Who did the RIAA hire to represent them - Lionel Hutz?
 
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