Did Hilary Clinton get power JUST based on her name?

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I see her on tv ALOT & hear about her all the time & i don't know her background in politics. All i know is she was Bill Clintons wife.

The reason i ask is because there has been talk of her running for presidency in 2008.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Her election was solely due to her name. To say otherwise is denial. She was a carpetbagger on Daniel Moynihan's retirement from the Senate.[/QUOTE]
And if you look at his post history you will see that he is a filthy, lying racist who will say anything to bash a democrat.
 
She's always been politicaly active even before she met bill, this isn't as if laura bush became a senator. Her name meant she didn't have to waste her time working her way up the pole through elections as much, she was able to start in a high position (senator).
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Her election was solely due to her name. To say otherwise is denial. She was a carpetbagger on Daniel Moynihan's retirement from the Senate.[/QUOTE]Which is exactly why she didn't get my vote. Now that she's making a call to arms over violence in video games, looks like I made the right call.
 
She didn't make a call to arms against game violence, she just call an FTC hearing on the issue.

Nothing will come of it, except a possible AO rating on a game that richly deserves it.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']And if you look at his post history you will see that he is a filthy, lying racist who will say anything to bash a democrat.[/QUOTE]

And you kill kittens :rofl:
 
I think Elizabeth Dole is a better example of someone who used her name to get into politics.
 
They're on par and equal in that regards. Both were able to win their seats based on their husband's name. There's a slight difference between Dole and Clinton though. Dole ran from her home state, she grew up in North Carolina and obviously Bob Dole represented Kansas. Hilary grew up in Illinois made her professional life in Arkansas she never had anything to do with New York until she wanted a Senate seat and picked one out from a safely blue state.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']They're on par and equal in that regards. Both were able to win their seats based on their husband's name. There's a slight difference between Dole and Clinton though. Dole ran from her home state, she grew up in North Carolina and obviously Bob Dole represented Kansas. Hilary grew up in Illinois made her professional life in Arkansas she never had anything to do with New York until she wanted a Senate seat and picked one out from a safely blue state.[/QUOTE]

But on their own, hillary always had political potential and it isn't out of the question that should would have garnered at least some political power without bill. The same can't be said for dole.
 
Exactly. Hillary may be a carpetbagger, but Elizabeth Dole would still be at home baking cookies right now if her husband never entered politics.
 
It's amusing to hear Republicans scream "carpetbagger" when Hilary is mentioned, yet they had no problem running Alan Keyes in Illinois (where he got spanked by Barack Obama).

If the people of Illinois and New York don't care to outlaw out-of-state people from running for Congress, then I don't know why anyone else cares.

How long had it been since Elizabeth Dole lived in North Carolina?
 
Good point, MBE. If a carpetbagger is doing a lousy job serving a state, then the people will vote them out. Public service should be commendable.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Exactly. Hillary may be a carpetbagger, but Elizabeth Dole would still be at home baking cookies right now if her husband never entered politics.[/QUOTE]

Elizabeth Dole was also a Reagan cabinent member as well as head of the American Red Cross. If that qualifies as staying home and baking cookies to you you really have an interesting perspective on public service.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Elizabeth Dole was also a Reagan cabinent member as well as head of the American Red Cross. If that qualifies as staying home and baking cookies to you you really have an interesting perspective on public service.[/QUOTE]

lol, you got me, PAD. I didn't do my homework on Elizabeth Dole, nor did I feel like googling her. Too young to remember the Reagan administration, and didn't even really hear about her during the '96 election.
 
We live in a society that, in an ideal time, would vote "the best" person in. Right or left, we've not done that in fucking ages. I hope that's something all of us can agree on (otherwise, you're admitting to being content with the state of affairs in your government and your party, two things I imagine very few, if any of us, could admit to having currently).

At any rate, the ideal is to vote in the best person. How coincidental, then, that politicians have made dynasties possible in a democratic society? The Bushes. The Gores. The Daleys. The Kennedys. The Doles. God knows who else I'm failing to include.

The point is that Clinton is the rule, not the exception. Why pick on strictly her and ignore the others? Oh, that's right. Because, having no idea what her platform would be, those opposed to her are simply knee-jerk ideologues who have no interest in considering a platform, but, rather, would simply react to the letter - D or R - in parentheses next to that person's name. Classy.
 
The best person available would be great if for one exception. Without parties the best individuals can't get elected. Once you've taken money from someone they either control your votes the majority of the time or they cease giving it to you and you're defeated in re-election.

This is why I was always in favor of term limits. Yes, it restricts choice. Yes, if someone is well qualified and doing the job well they are put out to pasture despite the electorate wishing them to continue. However I think that takes away the "My congressperson/senator is good, it's your's that is the problem.".

Well, except in my case. Specter really does suck and I'm not overly found of Santorum either. So yeah, my Senators do suck.

Anyways I'm conviced we would be better off with term limits. I'm convinced we'd do even better if we picked 435 Representatives from the phone book every 2 years for the House and let those 435 elect 100 Senators as terms expired every 6 years. The idea of a citizen legislature is a noble idea but hasn't existed in centuries, if ever.
 
I don't post in here much so i better let people know where i stand politically.

1) I voted for John Kerry because i felt he would do a better job than Bush.
2) I disagree with the majority of the decisions bush has made regarding this "war".
3) Like Hilary Clinton i believe there was a substantial amount of people who voted for bush based on name recognition.
4) Alot of people voted for Kerry because they didn't like bush.
5) Gas prices have been way to HIGH for to long & we all know the Iraq war is a BIG reason why.
6) QuackZilla & PAD have both made valid points in other posts.
 
1. It's obvious she got elected because of her last name. Why do you think she didn't divorce her husband?? Not to mention NY isn't her state.

2. She is starting a crusade agianst videogames, and its not cause she plays videogames or cares about the gamers who play them. Right now it's politically expedient for her to bash "violent games" to try and get the moderates on her side.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The best person available would be great if for one exception. Without parties the best individuals can't get elected. Once you've taken money from someone they either control your votes the majority of the time or they cease giving it to you and you're defeated in re-election.

This is why I was always in favor of term limits. Yes, it restricts choice. Yes, if someone is well qualified and doing the job well they are put out to pasture despite the electorate wishing them to continue. However I think that takes away the "My congressperson/senator is good, it's your's that is the problem.".

Well, except in my case. Specter really does suck and I'm not overly found of Santorum either. So yeah, my Senators do suck.

Anyways I'm conviced we would be better off with term limits. I'm convinced we'd do even better if we picked 435 Representatives from the phone book every 2 years for the House and let those 435 elect 100 Senators as terms expired every 6 years. The idea of a citizen legislature is a noble idea but hasn't existed in centuries, if ever.[/QUOTE]

And again, as simple as that, we agree on something. Although I try to avoid risk/benefit analysis, there is far more to be gained through term limits than lost. I'd love to see states tackle that issue one at a time; hey, if they can keepp the queers from getting hitched, they can throw out the trash after two terms.

I'll see your Specter and Santorum, and raise you a McConnell and Bunning. ;)
 
One thing nobody has mentioned...

If our current president's last name wasn't Bush, there is no chance in hell he would have gotten elected.

Despite the USA's historical background, its quite clear that most voters still prefer to elect (our own version of) royalty.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']One thing nobody has mentioned...

If our current president's last name wasn't Bush, there is no chance in hell he would have gotten elected.

Despite the USA's historical background, its quite clear that most voters still prefer to elect (our own version of) royalty.[/QUOTE]

CheapyD doesn't read my post! He probably doesn't even know I exist!

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