Disgaea: Hour of Darkness Amazon pre-order $30

Wow another re-print of this game??? People would be a fool to pass on this game for that price if they are not lucky enough to have played it yet...

They need to make this a Greatest hits title them I would snatch it up again and then the vultures wouldn't be able to make a killing on this title on ebay..
 
Well at least here's a good inexpensive way to receive a SEALED copy, and not something brand new, gutted, and sold as used...
 
It may not be another re-print, as it is dated last December. It's possible they're just allocating more stock from another source.
 
[quote name='twen']Well at least here's a good inexpensive way to receive a SEALED copy, and not something brand new, gutted, and sold as used...[/QUOTE]

Ebay has plenty of cheap brand new copies.

The value of this has plummeted like a rock.

Everyone who is thinking this game is selling for big $$$ on the secondhand market should take a look... too many reprints killed the value.
 
[quote name='Over easy']Darn. I thought this was for the PSP copy.[/QUOTE]
When does that PSP version come out anyway. Didn't the Japanese one come out not too long ago?
 
I have this game...I just couldn't get into it for some reason even though I really wanted to...

Still, not bad for anyone interested in playing it.
 
I was under the impression that the PSP version was a somewhat different game. Ah, here's what I was thinking of... according to IGN it follows Etna instead of Laharl.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I have this game...I just couldn't get into it for some reason even though I really wanted to...

Still, not bad for anyone interested in playing it.[/quote]

I know, whoknows. It's because everything in the game is determined by dungeon crawling. While the novel idea of items having levels seems fun at first, levelling and allocating Masters to your main weaponry becomes tedious after the first hour. And you need to do these battles to progress. Why the hell do players have to fight a Lv. 364 Zombie just to change the characters' names?

Needs more diversity.
 
[quote name='squinky']I was under the impression that the PSP version was a somewhat different game. Ah, here's what I was thinking of... according to IGN it follows Etna instead of Laharl.[/QUOTE]
I've only ever played the PSP version, so I can't really say, but I think it still follows Laharl.

Oh, and I love the leveling up aspect, because it's pretty deep and I enjoy going through the random "item worlds" that you need to play through to do it. I haven't really done all that much leveling and I'm most of the way through the game, though, so I wouldn't say it's mandatory.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Ebay has plenty of cheap brand new copies.

The value of this has plummeted like a rock.

Everyone who is thinking this game is selling for big $$$ on the secondhand market should take a look... too many reprints killed the value.[/quote]

Thank god for that. I grabed my copy from the NISA store for...$34.99 shipped i believe.
 
Yeah I almost cancelled my order cuz it said my estimated time of getting it was may 25th or so. But before I did they e-mailed me saying they shipped it so yay for me :D
 
This is bullshit. They need to distinguish between the copies so the original copies can maintain their value. It's not fair to collectors at all.

Fortunately, I sold my original sealed copy for $145. I should have sold my opened copy at the same time though.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Ebay has plenty of cheap brand new copies.

The value of this has plummeted like a rock.

Everyone who is thinking this game is selling for big $$$ on the secondhand market should take a look... too many reprints killed the value.[/quote]I bought a used copy on ebay during the summer for about $70. A couple months later they had reprints for $30 new :cry::cry:
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']collector's can go fuck themselves for all i care. everybody should be able to enjoy this game.[/quote]

Exactly, and we have NIS i believe to blame (or is it Atlus) due to them printing a small quantity...anyway, i payed $35 shipped, have yet to play it, but i have the game and i didn't get ripped off on ebay :)
 
[quote name='sunghost']Uhm, I thought this was still in stock on the atlus site for $29.99?[/quote]

Seems that you are correct, $35 shipped. If my order does not ship before my summer break i am just going to go this route.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']collector's can go fuck themselves for all i care. everybody should be able to enjoy this game.[/quote]
:applause:

I'm waiting for the PSP version. It seems like it's the perfect portable game.
 
[quote name='prmononoke']This is bullshit. They need to distinguish between the copies so the original copies can maintain their value. It's not fair to collectors at all.

Fortunately, I sold my original sealed copy for $145. I should have sold my opened copy at the same time though.[/quote]

Umm who cares? Reprinting the game doesnt make your copy worth any less unless you were planning to sell it later which makes you NOT a collector.
 
[quote name='Derrick1979']Wow another re-print of this game??? People would be a fool to pass on this game for that price if they are not lucky enough to have played it yet...

They need to make this a Greatest hits title them I would snatch it up again and then the vultures wouldn't be able to make a killing on this title on ebay..[/QUOTE]


What are you talking about people making a killing on ebay. this game only gets 20 to 30 on ebay now.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']collector's can go fuck themselves for all i care. everybody should be able to enjoy this game.[/quote]

First off, I'm saying they should distinguish between the copies. I'm not against continuing to manufacture it, but I am against constantly reprinting it without distinguishing between prints.

Second, you claim that you think "everybody should be able to enjoy this game." Well, wouldn't that coincide with the thought that copies should be at least marked differently?

Third, why should everyone be able to enjoy it? It's your own fault if you didn't buy the game when it came out. Clearly anyone who wanted to play it upon release would have bought it right away. If it sold well on release, immediate reprints would have been in order, and the price never would have gone up in the first place.

Should Sega reprint Panzer Dragoon Saga, just so "everyone can enjoy it."? Maybe they could release it in a compilation pack or something, but they shouldn't make exact copies of the original.

[quote name='Brian9824']Umm who cares? Reprinting the game doesnt make your copy worth any less unless you were planning to sell it later which makes you NOT a collector.[/quote]

Actually, it does. Regardless of the intent of the game's owner, the value will drop. Collectors tend to gravitate towards things that have a certain value, and when you pay a premium for something (especially something that's been out for a while, and has only increased in price), it's expected that it will maintain it's value, and that any rerelease to the public will bare a mark pertaining to the fact that it isn't an original copy.

And to answer your question of who cares, the collectors do. The person who bought the game from me for $145 could have bought the same exact thing for $35 a few months later. This wouldn't be a big deal if he had known there was going to be a reprint, but Atlus didn't give any indication that there would be one.

All I ask is that they distinguish between different releases of the game.
 
You don't understand. The fact that they reprinted the game doesn't change what your game is worth to YOU. The only thing it effects is how much you could sell the game for and if you were to sell it then it wouldn't make you a collector.

The only impact reprinting games has is lowering their cost to people who want to buy it, sure it sucks for people who have paid alot but it doesn't change what your game is worth, only what you can sell it to others for.

Also why should Atlus spend money making new cover designs or distinguishing the different releases when its the exact same game. They don't care about collectors, why should they? If collectors expect games to be marked every time there is a new print run they need to change their expectations. Gaming industry doesn't revolve around them.

Also your whole statement about people not buying the game at launch is BS. What about all the people who are getting a PS3 right now and never had a PS2, and would like to play Disgaea? What about all the people who didnt have a PS2 when it came out or didn't have the money? Saying they should have bought it at launch is totally unreasonable. Atlus games have generally had low print runs no matter how many were sold.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']You don't understand. The fact that they reprinted the game doesn't change what your game is worth to YOU. The only thing it effects is how much you could sell the game for and if you were to sell it then it wouldn't make you a collector.

The only impact reprinting games has is lowering their cost to people who want to buy it, sure it sucks for people who have paid alot but it doesn't change what your game is worth, only what you can sell it to others for.

Also why should Atlus spend money making new cover designs or distinguishing the different releases when its the exact same game. They don't care about collectors, why should they? If collectors expect games to be marked every time there is a new print run they need to change their expectations. Gaming industry doesn't revolve around them.

Also your whole statement about people not buying the game at launch is BS. What about all the people who are getting a PS3 right now and never had a PS2, and would like to play Disgaea? What about all the people who didnt have a PS2 when it came out or didn't have the money? Saying they should have bought it at launch is totally unreasonable. Atlus games have generally had low print runs no matter how many were sold.[/quote]
I'll respond to your last point first:

I want to play Panzer Dragoon Saga. I, however, was about 10 or so when it came out. Thus, I didn't have any money. I didn't have a Saturn. Does this mean that, out of fairness, Sega should reprint it? I think not. Does it kind of suck? Sure, but that's my problem. Anyone who payed $180 would be pretty pissed if it was rereleased, and I don't blame them. There's a certain prestige to owning something that not many can get their hands on.

Besides, I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who are into niche Japanese strategy RPGs have probably owned a PS2 for several years at this point.

Now, about your first few points...

I do understand. I think you're the one who doesn't. Collectors often buy things because they have a certain value. Your perception of the collector is way off. Think about people who collect rare records. If a record becomes common, it loses it's value to the collector. The same thing applies to video games. I own a Metal Gear Solid Subsistence LE. If Konami reprinted it, to me, the value would drop. It wouldn't be worth what it is to me. To me, owning that is about owning something that most people are going to have to pay a premium for, or just live without it. I think many collectors are the same way. There's a huge difference between those who collect all the Pez dispensers they can find and those who specifically collect rare games.
 
I wasn't aware of the game when it first came out...so why should i have to pay $100+ (back last year) for a game i've herad good things about but haven't played yet, when i can buy it now for $30. I like reprints, so collectors can fuck off.
 
Your comparing a game thats almost 10 years old and on a system thats no longer being made to a game thats less then 4 years old and playable on current systems so its a faulty analogy.

As Square Enix has shown us remakes of older games can be quite profitable so yes, Sega should re-release it if they see a market for it and believe it will sell.

As far as the whole collector mentality i don't think you will find anyone who agree's with you as you basically never want games to be re-released so your copies don't lose value while everyone here wants the market to be flooded so we can get games dirt cheap.

Why should Atlus spend more money to modify the games so a handful of collectors can drool over their first print copies? It doesn't make any business sense which is why you will never see it happen.
 
[quote name='prmononoke']I'll respond to your last point first:

I want to play Panzer Dragoon Saga. I, however, was about 10 or so when it came out. Thus, I didn't have any money. I didn't have a Saturn. Does this mean that, out of fairness, Sega should reprint it? I think not. Does it kind of suck? Sure, but that's my problem. Anyone who payed $180 would be pretty pissed if it was rereleased, and I don't blame them. There's a certain prestige to owning something that not many can get their hands on.

Besides, I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who are into niche Japanese strategy RPGs have probably owned a PS2 for several years at this point.

Now, about your first few points...

I do understand. I think you're the one who doesn't. Collectors often buy things because they have a certain value. Your perception of the collector is way off. Think about people who collect rare records. If a record becomes common, it loses it's value to the collector. The same thing applies to video games. I own a Metal Gear Solid Subsistence LE. If Konami reprinted it, to me, the value would drop. It wouldn't be worth what it is to me. To me, owning that is about owning something that most people are going to have to pay a premium for, or just live without it. I think many collectors are the same way. There's a huge difference between those who collect all the Pez dispensers they can find and those who specifically collect rare games.[/QUOTE]

The value of the MGS 3 LE is already dropping anyways, without a reprint... is it suddenly worth less to you?

I'm sorry, I thought games were about, you know, playing the games, not sticking them on a shelf and drooling over how "rare" and "expensive" they are, just so a handful of people on the internet can drool over your awesome collection.

You're saying the only reason you own certain games is because of how rare and valuable they are? Seems kind of stupid... I don't get why ANYONE would pay more than $50 - $60 for a game, or buy a game with the sole purpose of not opening it... but I guess I don't understand why people go out of their way to buy certain games they have little interest because "OMGZ HARD TO FIND TEH RAREZZZZZZ"

But hey, it's those type of people (the collectors that have money to throw around) that bought my 360, bought my new television, bought my new computer, paid for me to get into college, and paid for me to move... so I guess I'm glad there is some insane people who want to pay $80 - $100 for some old games.

I sold my Disgaea sealed copy for $150 after they already announced a reprint was coming... hell, I already ORDERED my reprint off Atlus when I did it! I had a good laugh about that one, and the shock the buyer must have been in when it was readily avaliable for way less two weeks later.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Your comparing a game thats almost 10 years old and on a system thats no longer being made to a game thats less then 4 years old and playable on current systems so its a faulty analogy.

As Square Enix has shown us remakes of older games can be quite profitable so yes, Sega should re-release it if they see a market for it and believe it will sell.

As far as the whole collector mentality i don't think you will find anyone who agree's with you as you basically never want games to be re-released so your copies don't lose value while everyone here wants the market to be flooded so we can get games dirt cheap.

Why should Atlus spend more money to modify the games so a handful of collectors can drool over their first print copies? It doesn't make any business sense which is why you will never see it happen.[/quote]

I won't find anyone who agrees with me? You really think that no collectors collect things because of their perceived value? That's what you really, truly believe? Because if that's what you believe, then you are wrong. There is a status (even if it's just in one's own mind) that comes from having valuable, hard to find things.

If it's such a hassle to modify a game's packaging, why do Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all do it when they release GH/PH/PC games? It involves adding a bar or border to the cover. That's it. It's not a big deal. It helps distinguish between the copies. Hell, even Konami did it recently for a Castlevania game.

And yes, Square Enix has made remakes. On different systems from what the games were originally on. These versions of the game are easily distinguishable from the originals. There's a huge difference between releasing the same game over and over, and porting a 10 year old game to a different system. The original will hardly drop in value, if at all, as long as it's obviously a different release.
 
I meant to say you won't find many people HERE who agree with you. Majority of users here want their games as cheap as possible.

The GH/PH, etc are a marketing tool by the game companies, the don't care what it's value is, they go by numbers sold. It's a way for parents and people who want to get a game for a gift to see what games have sold alot so they have an idea what to get their kid. It's also a way to try to revitalize intrest in games that have their sales slowing down. It's completely optional and up to each company to do it.

Like i said before big difference on re-releasing a 10 year old game thats on a system not being sold and a 4 year old game on a system thats still selling well. As long as PS2's are being sold remakes are fair game.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']The value of the MGS 3 LE is already dropping anyways, without a reprint... is it suddenly worth less to you?

I'm sorry, I thought games were about, you know, playing the games, not sticking them on a shelf and drooling over how "rare" and "expensive" they are, just so a handful of people on the internet can drool over your awesome collection.

You're saying the only reason you own certain games is because of how rare and valuable they are? Seems kind of stupid... I don't get why ANYONE would pay more than $50 - $60 for a game, or buy a game with the sole purpose of not opening it... but I guess I don't understand why people go out of their way to buy certain games they have little interest because "OMGZ HARD TO FIND TEH RAREZZZZZZ"

But hey, it's those type of people (the collectors that have money to throw around) that bought my 360, bought my new television, bought my new computer, paid for me to get into college, and paid for me to move... so I guess I'm glad there is some insane people who want to pay $80 - $100 for some old games.

I sold my Disgaea sealed copy for $150 after they already announced a reprint was coming... hell, I already ORDERED my reprint off Atlus when I did it! I had a good laugh about that one, and the shock the buyer must have been in when it was readily avaliable for way less two weeks later.[/quote]
Roufuss, I never pay more than retail for a game, and I never will.

I don't buy games just to own them, I buy them to play. Perhaps I should make it clear that I'm not talking about myself here. Everyone may think it's stupid to care that others don't get screwed over, but I do care about it. If I were to pay a premium for something, only to have it released again at a lower price months later, I would be pissed off.

The only argument against my view here is "Screw the collectors! We want cheap games and equality for everyone!"

All I'm asking for is a difference between prints of the game (just in the packaging)! Is that a horrible thing to request? I don't think so.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']I meant to say you won't find many people HERE who agree with you. Majority of users here want their games as cheap as possible.

The GH/PH, etc are a marketing tool by the game companies, the don't care what it's value is, they go by numbers sold. It's a way for parents and people who want to get a game for a gift to see what games have sold alot so they have an idea what to get their kid. It's also a way to try to revitalize intrest in games that have their sales slowing down. It's completely optional and up to each company to do it.

Like i said before big difference on re-releasing a 10 year old game thats on a system not being sold and a 4 year old game on a system thats still selling well. As long as PS2's are being sold remakes are fair game.[/quote]
I like to get my games as cheap as possible also. Like I've said, I'm not against rereleases, I'm against screwing over collectors, and to a lesser extent, resellers.

They may be a marketing tool, but they do it for plenty of games, and I imagine that it doesn't really take much extra work. The reason behind changing the packaging doesn't matter, it's that it's probably not that hard to do.

Remakes are fair game? Too bad we're talking about a rerelease here. Not a remake. Remakes are an entirely different product.
 
Well this thread is going well. Anyone know how i can get thoes paypal rebates so i can save some money ordering from atlus?
 
I'm going to jump in and say that I at least somewhat understand prmononoke and even identify to an extent. I consider myself a little bit of a "collector," not because I have any desire to resell (although I will do some trades, CML in the sig, plug plug), but because there is a certain joy in knowing I've acquired some awesome hard-to-find games. I only "collect" games I want to play, but I'd be delusional to think I could play them as fast as I'm buying them.

It doesn't make much sense, I guess... at least no more sense than collecting coins, or baseball cards, or artwork. It appeals to a certain aesthetic (and OCD instinct) in just the way that the game Disgaea (which I bought first edition, played, and recently traded to a lucky fellow because I didn't enjoy it) appeals to certain people while others would say "I can't see the joy in just constantly level grinding."

Sure, maybe games are "different" because you can play them, and I think everyone should have that opportunity (I hope public libraries step in since reprints etc. aren't entirely filling the void). But saying you shouldn't collect something just because you can play it, too, seems a little like saying you shouldn't collect stamps if you don't intend to mail letters with them.

Of course, I also take my collectable figures out of the box, so don't expect me to be consistent.
 
[quote name='beeporama'] Of course, I also take my collectable figures out of the box, so don't expect me to be consistent.[/quote]


O_O!!!!!!!!!!
 
hmm.. if i were a collector(and had the money), i would try to collect as many games that i could that i perceive as "good". it wouldn't matter if the game was profitable, or had worth in means of money. hell, there are a lot of crappy games that sell for a lot of money, would you buy those too for "collecting" purposes? what's the purpose of buying something, only to sell it later.. if you're a collector?
 
[quote name='prmononoke']I like to get my games as cheap as possible also. Like I've said, I'm not against rereleases, I'm against screwing over collectors, and to a lesser extent, resellers.

They may be a marketing tool, but they do it for plenty of games, and I imagine that it doesn't really take much extra work. The reason behind changing the packaging doesn't matter, it's that it's probably not that hard to do.

Remakes are fair game? Too bad we're talking about a rerelease here. Not a remake. Remakes are an entirely different product.[/quote]

Remake/rerelease. In this context it means the same thing. FYI game companies want to screw over resellers as much as possible and make life as hard as they can for them. They get 0 profit of a game being resold 20 times compared to 20 new games they could have sold.

Games are made for people who play them, not for collectors. Don't expect companies to go out of their way to make life better for a small niche group of people.

Changing the packaging isn't hard but it costs more money. They have to redesign the covers and change the machines that make the covers for the game and disc. Why spend the money when its not going to benefit them in any way and the majority of their customers don't mind?
 
[quote name='prmononoke']...If I were to pay a premium for something, only to have it released again at a lower price months later, I would be pissed off...[/QUOTE]


I think the problem is right there. No one should have to pay a premium and if you choose to do so that's a risk you're taking if the item is reprinted. The perception that any digital media can retain or exceeds its original value is questionable because the nature of the format lends itself to be copied ad nauseum if the company choose to. It's the same for DVDs. We get so many different versions of the same movie and yet people still buy them even though they are essentially the same.
 
[quote name='sandman007']I think the problem is right there. No one should have to pay a premium and if you choose to do so that's a risk you're taking if the item is reprinted. The perception that any digital media can retain or exceeds its original value is questionable because the nature of the format lends itself to be copied ad nauseum if the company choose to. It's the same for DVDs. We get so many different versions of the same movie and yet people still buy them even though they are essentially the same.[/quote]

Good point. I understand some people like to collect games, esp. hard to find ones, good for them, but just like any investment you are taking a chance as to the value of that item in the future. There are no guarantees in collecting and if you choose to do that with videogames, good for you, but don't go whining when companies choose to reprint hard to find games so others who haven''t had the opportunity to play it, get the chance. I, for one, really appreciate Atlus for reprinting this, I was actually able to buy a copy to eventually play for list price.

If you're collecting videogames to make money in the future or brag about the worth of your collection, you're better off learning the stock market.
 
People collect books, comics, cards, records, cars- someone can spend 3 million for an original work of art, and you can buy a print for $10. And that's great.
The problem with games is that there is no good system in place for determing an original and subsequent reprints.

Taking this argument to another extreme. Why shouldn't you be able to buy and sell cd/dvd dupes on ebay? Everyone deserves a chance to play Radiant Silvergun. So if you rip the iso and sell it for $10, doesn't that help gamers? The original developer/publisher is impacted the same whether you are selling a real disc or not, which is to say, not at all. All you are doing is diluting the value of it for collectors, right?
 
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