[quote name='Quillion']Moral relativism dictates (as much as it
dictates anything) that there is no justification to murder/killing, or for that matter, anything at all. No justification should be considered or applied because no need for one exists.
That's the issue, there is no universally accepted moral code. There are several differing widely accepted moral codes, and they're tied to religions, typically.
Trying to debate a moral justification without raising religion is rather unproductive, and for that matter, disingenuous.[/QUOTE]
People should work it into their points and not use it to simply flame the fires (not you, others).
dohdough I agree, but I also agree with raising religion. The thing is as Quillion says there is no universally accepted moral code so one's idea of morality can always be tied to their religious beliefs. We need to do away with religion and embrace those we don't know so we can work towards a moral standard. It's funny imo because this requires doing away with nationality and becoming a more global society, and we are moving in that direction in large part for completely different reasons. Although, one would think a moral standard would require a more standard education across the world. In the process we can lose our cultures and all become too similar.
[quote name='jputahraptor']I don't think either side thinks of themselves as the "bad guys" in a war, each side thinks it's upholding the right way. While no reasonable person wants war, it's hard to be peaceful when the tanks are rolling down your block, it's not the Christian (or any religion) thing to take a bullet in the head because invaders want to kill you, but I wouldn't say that the invaders are always the bad guys, it may seem that way, but we declared war of Germany because of atrocities among other reasons so I think there is justifiable reasons to invade. War should always be a last option but look at Iran and their nuclear program, we or the UN aren't changing minds in regards to have far they will go, so I think you have to look at the outcomes of how many will suffer from doing nothing or trying to help overthrow someone who will do more long term damage to their country or others.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately we denied letting Jews into our country before we entered the war and we only entered the war after we were attacked. We sat back and let atrocities occur so long as we were not involved. We also saw how the war could benefit economic conditions before we entered...
[quote name='camoor']Has anyone ever read that book "The Forever War". I thought it was pretty interesting - the story explores many of the moral concepts being talked about here.[/QUOTE]
Which one the sci-fi one or the one about the war in Iraq?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=forever+war&x=0&y=0
[quote name='panzerfaust']If you're fighting in a war you are allowed to kill your enemy. So yes it justifies killing (to an extent). So the only way you could answer this is by voting yes...
If you don't think it justifies killing then it wouldn't be a war anymore.
I'm confused..[/QUOTE]
Well yes I agree you're right war justifies killing and if it doesn't then the war does not exist. I should have worded it better to avoid this. What I am asking is, is the act of killing justified because it occurs as part of a war.
[quote name='gargus']It is not justified in 99% of the cases.
Like if I said "Hey Im going over to this other country and shoot people" everyone would tell me how bad I am, report me for being a terrorist and so on. I would be on the news and considered a bad american and person. BUT! If I join the army and go to another country to shoot people then its perfectly acceptable and infact in this era of blind and stupid blue blooded american pride horseshit I would be celebreated for it. Infact I would probablly get a party thrown for myself and people would cheer "You went to iraq and shot brown people?! Good on you! Were so proud".
But in this country atleast people who join the military willingly chose to kill, they join to kill. Because we have a choice in this country since we have no draft now. If you join the military you know there is a good chance you will either directly be killing someone or indirectly helping kill someone (which is the same thing) and it was your choice to put yourself in that posistion. Even if your a radio man or a cook your still assisting those that do the killing meaning you condone it. So if your killing because your being told to kill then its somehow ok and justified and everyone is cool with that. Or someone gets in a fire fight and says "well it was him or me and I did what I had to in order to protect myself." No you still killed him of your own free will because you chose to, if you hadnt joined the army youd never have been in that posistion to begin with
People think its ok to do a lot of bad things simply because they are being told too. And thats why this country is full of so many sheep and followers that cant think for themselves and will believe anything they are told by the government. Part of them wants to do bad things but afraid of getting in trouble but soon as the boss says its ok then they are allover it.
Only time I think killing is ever justified is like in WW2 where we had to take lives but we also saved the lives of millions if not billions had the nazis not been stopped. That was a case of, for the greater good.
I cant say its always justified because thats not true, but then again killing doesnt justifiy it either. Killing in war is just one of those things that yes on occasion it is justified, but all in all, its not in most cases.[/QUOTE]
One problem with people willfully joining the army to kill is that many of them don't have a proper grasp on what they're actually signing up for. While some others join because it's the only way to financially survive. If you live in a country that goes to war and you continue living there during and after war, you're also condoning the killing because you helped fund it, didn't try to stop it, etc. But if you choose to leave and live out a peaceful existence you may be putting yourself at greater risk.
[quote name='Anythingoo1']Got this question in a personal cultural studies exam last week:lol:
No, it's not right, but how unjustified it is depends on the war. It also fuels so many economies and makes up 2% of the worlds whole GDP (research I did for some homework)
I'm not gonna pretend I know alot about this, because as with everything, it's alot more in depth than people usually think.[/QUOTE]
Like how the US became a superpower following WWII.
ing looked at me wrong" justification paired with our unwillingness to even consider total war meant policy failure was the only true outcome. A good counter example is Bosnia, where our attack was so ferocious and we appeared so committed that the political and social resistance dissolved quickly.
