Ethics Office For Hill Rejected

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030202146.html
Ethics Office For Hill Rejected

Bipartisan Defeat For Independent Lobbying OverseeBy Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 3, 2006; Page A01


A Senate committee yesterday rejected a bipartisan proposal to establish an independent office to oversee the enforcement of congressional ethics and lobbying laws, signaling a reluctance in Congress to beef up the enforcement of its rules on lobbying.
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs voted 11 to 5 to defeat a proposal by its chairman, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), and its ranking Democrat, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.), that would have created an office of public integrity to toughen enforcement and combat the loss of reputation Congress has suffered after the guilty plea in January of former lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Democrats joined Republicans in killing the measure.

The vote was described by government watchdog groups and several lawmakers as the latest example of Congress's waning interest in stringent lobbying reform. After starting the year with bold talk about banning privately paid meals and travel, lawmakers are moving toward producing a bill that would ban few of their activities and would rely mostly on stepped-up disclosure and reporting requirements as their lobbying changes

Yesterday, the governmental affairs panel spent most of its three-hour drafting session debating the Collins-Lieberman proposal. Collins argued that by hiring professionals to oversee lobbying reports and the investigation of ethics complaints, Congress would improve its credibility by ending the appearance of conflict-of-interest created by the self-policing of its ethics committees.

"The current system of reviewing lobbyists' public reports is a joke," she added.

But Sen. George V. Voinovich (R-Ohio), chairman of the Senate's Select Committee on Ethics and a member of Collins's panel, said the ethics panel does not need any help because it is already doing a thorough job of enforcing the chamber's rules. Speaking of the audits and investigations that the office of public integrity would undertake, Voinovich said: "The ethics committee is already doing those things."
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An independent office dedicated to policing Congressmen & lobbyists vs. a Senate committee on ethics? Hmm....well, I suppose most police departments "police themselves," so why not let Congress police itself. Just because an occasional scandal lands in the headlines in both groups doesn't mean that there's a significant potential for abuse.
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They'll just find a loophole in any such solution, just as they quickly found a loophole in McCain-Feingold and people like DeLay find loopholes to let lobbyists pay for expensive vacations. The real problem is the two-party system. Until that is fixed we'll always have some people more dedicated to their party and its enrichment than to the people.
 
The problem with hiring 'independent' investigators is that there's no such thing. The office would get used by whomever is currently in power or abused by partisan and other incestuous relationships inherent in the life of publicly appointed and elected officials.

My point is that WE are supposed to be the ones policing our congress but, as with everything else, we absolve ourselves or responsibility and happily let the government do it for us. The best way to take care of business in the house and senate? Stop voting for these assholes.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Stop voting for these assholes.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

[quote name='MrBadExample']I'd like to see Ethic Committee's run by the minority party.[/QUOTE]

And we'd see even more false accusations bandied about than there are already, and more posturing and political bickering than ever. But that's moot since this would never, ever happen.
 
I can see why it would be tempting to adopt an "always vote for the new candidate(s) and kick out the incumbent" approach, in the hopes that a high turn-over rate in Congress would keep the corruption to a minimum...but, I would imagine that that would be a tricky balance to strike between losing experienced statesmen and getting rid of Congressmen whose entire families are living it up on the lobbyists'/commercial interests' tabs.

For one thing, I think most folks (myself included) are reluctant to vote for a relative unknown who is running for state Senator, when the incumbent has $$$ flying out of his pockets and is saturating the air waves with glitzy ads touting his past accomplishments.

I don't want a corrupt, bought-and-paid-for Senator, House Representative, Governor, or Mayor, but I don't want to replace the whole slew with green-as-grass new birds at one stroke, either. (then again, I'm in Pennsylvania, which has a rich history of municipal corruption. d'oh! "It's no good! I can't manuever!")

[RE post below: sadly, I think the chances of Independent politicians rising to a position of power within Congress in this day and age are as likely as that of small, Mom and Pop stores rising to combat corporate giants like Wal-Mart.]
 
[quote name='RBM']I can see why it would be tempting to adopt an "always vote for the new candidate(s) and kick out the incumbent" approach, in the hopes that a high turn-over rate in Congress would keep the corruption to a minimum...but, I would imagine that that would be a tricky balance to strike between losing experienced statesmen and getting rid of Congressmen whose entire families are living it up on the lobbyists'/commercial interests' tabs.

For one thing, I think most folks (myself included) are reluctant to vote for a relative unknown who is running for state Senator, when the incumbent has $$$ flying out of his pockets and is saturating the air waves with glitzy ads touting his past accomplishments.

I don't want a corrupt, bought-and-paid-for Senator, House Representative, Governor, or Mayor, but I don't want to replace the whole slew with green-as-grass new birds at one stroke, either. (then again, I'm in Pennsylvania, which has a rich history of municipal corruption. d'oh! "It's no good! I can't manuever!")[/QUOTE]

While I wouldn't claim that all incumbents are bad people and/or bad elected representatives, I would claim that 534 out of 535 of them currently are either Democrat or Republican, with the only one not claiming to be such being an even more extreme liberal. To get rid of these problems we have to get rid of the corrupt two-party system, or at least vastly weaken the two major parties that currently hold power. OTOH, most people like their congressman, and what's pork for another district is vital infrastructure for yours.

Peronally, as a rule I look down upon voting for (1) Democrats or Republicans; (2) career politicians (I'd prefer people who don't spend their entire lives getting votes).
 
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