Evangelical leader who bashed homosexuals and abortion exposed as being gay himself

E-Z-B

CAGiversary!
Surprise, surprise. Just another case of a right-wing fundie doucchebag getting caught practicing what he's not preaching again.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The leader of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man in monthly trysts over the past three years.

The Rev. Ted Haggard, a married father of five who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, denied the allegations.

His accuser, Denver resident Mike Jones, refused to share with The Associated Press voice mails that he said backed up his allegation, stating that he is having them reviewed by a voice analyst. Jones further claimed that Haggard paid him for methamphetamines.

Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could “not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations.”

Haggard told Denver's KUSA-TV late Wednesday that “I've never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife. So I don't know if this is election year politics ... or what it is.”

The acting senior pastor at New Life, Ross Parsley, told KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs that Haggard admitted that some of the accusations were true.

"I just know that there has been some admission of indiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has been discussed but there is an admission of some guilt," Parsley told the station.

The allegations come as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.

Jones, 49, told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

“It made me angry that here’s someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex,” said Jones, who added that he isn’t working for any political group.

Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.

Jones said he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.

Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash. KUSA-TV reported excerpts from some of the alleged voice mails late Thursday.

“Hi Mike, this is Art,” one call began, according to the station. “Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply.”

A second message, left a few hours later, began: “Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I’ll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever.”

Jones said Haggard was referring to methamphetamine.

“There’s some stuff on there (the voice mails) that’s pretty damning,” he said.

Haggard, 50, was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement.

After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado’s gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.

At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it’s the best family unit for children.

“Homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly condemned in the Scriptures,” the evangelicals association says on its Web site. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin that “brings grave consequences in this life and excludes one from the Kingdom of God.”

‘That’s not Ted’
New Life Church member Brooks DeMio, 44, said he thinks Jones is a liar and can’t believe Haggard would engage in sex with a man.

“He loves the Lord, homosexuality is a sin and that’s not Ted,” DeMio said. “His desire is to serve other people and uphold the word of God. ... I don’t know him well enough to give a complete character description, but I know him enough to know it’s not true.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

Some background on the conservative idiot:

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He is one of the most vociferous critics of abortion and of homosexuality. [1] One of the major "accomplishments" under Haggard as leader of the NAE was fall 2004's "For the Health of the Nation: An Evangelical Call to Civic Responsibility."[5] This was "a document urging engagement in traditional culture war issues such as abortion and gay marriage but also poverty, education, taxes, welfare and immigration."[5] Haggard is opposed to same sex marriages.[6] The NAE says "Homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly con$demned in the Scriptures."[7]

Haggard is a firm supporter of President George W. Bush, and is often credited with rallying evangelicals behind Bush during the 2004 election.[11] Author Jeff Sharlet reports that Haggard "talks to... Bush or his advisers every Monday" and opines that "no pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism."[12]

In a June 2005 Wall Street Journal article, "Ted Haggard, the head of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals, jokes that the only disagreement between himself and the leader of the Western world is automotive: Mr. Bush drives a Ford pickup, whereas he prefers a Chevy."[13]

"[George W. Bush] will be known as the man who stood up to Islamic fundamentalism being used to tyrannize their own people, so that in another hundred years, in the Islamic world, he'll be viewed as a great liberator.[15] "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Shit, Mike Jones was the one accusing him. These allegations are wrong as a result.[/quote]

Who?
 
The Rev. Ross Parsley, now the church's acting senior pastor, told reporters Thursday night that Haggard has made a partial admission after the allegations surfaced on a Denver radio station. "There has been some admission of indiscretion, not an admission to all of the material that has been discussed, but there is an admission of some guilt," said Parsley, the New Life Church associate senior pastor.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

Perhaps he was against gay marriage so he could have them all to himself?
 
WOW, he(ted haggard) just did a interview from his truck.
It's not on Youtube yet but here's a few points he made:

1) I contacted the gay guy for a message & to buy meth,
2) I bought the meth but threw it away. I've never used it before.
3) The hotel i was staying in refered me to the gay guy.
 
[quote name='captaincold']WOW, he(ted haggard) just did a interview from his truck.
It's not on Youtube yet but here's a few points he made:

1) I contacted the gay guy for a message & to buy meth,
2) I bought the meth but threw it away. I've never used it before.
3) The hotel i was staying in refered me to the gay guy.[/quote]
LOL, just the other day he said he never knew, seen, or met the guy. Now he says he bought meth from him.

For more insight on Haggards views, watch him in an interview with Richard Dawkins.
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkUi6dhwWx0[/MEDIA]

 
So, since EZB and everyone else seem to want to put up this guy as speaking for all Christians against gay marriage and abortion, I guess I will have to remind you all of the man who (according to your rationale) represents the democratic way of thinking:




That's right folks, none other than the lovable (former democratic gubernatorial candidate with ties to the Clinton/Gore administration) Fred Phelps!


So yeah, all causes have their black sheep, and while what this evangelist has done is disgusting and embarassing, pointing your E-finger and saying "see, I told you all christians/pro-life/(insert cause you don't agree with) people are evil, just look at him!" Is about as smart as saying all Democratic Senators from MA are alcoholic murderering lardasses with known ties to the KGB.
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']So, since EZB and everyone else seem to want to put up this guy as speaking for all Christians against gay marriage and abortion, I guess I will have to remind you all of the man who (according to your rationale) represents the democratic way of thinking:




That's right folks, none other than the lovable (former democratic gubernatorial candidate with ties to the Clinton/Gore administration) Fred Phelps!


So yeah, all causes have their black sheep, and while what this evangelist has done is disgusting and embarassing, pointing your E-finger and saying "see, I told you all christians/pro-life/(insert cause you don't agree with) people are evil, just look at him!" Is about as smart as saying all Democratic Senators from MA are alcoholic murderering lardasses with known ties to the KGB.[/QUOTE]


Can you please quote the post in this thread where someone says all christians,pro-life etc... are evil.

Thanks.
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']That's right folks, none other than the lovable (former democratic gubernatorial candidate with ties to the Clinton/Gore administration) Fred Phelps![/QUOTE]

I'm still waiting for you to verify the Kennedy-KGB link. If you haven't read the book, don't cite it.

At any rate, which connection to Clinton are you referring to? This one?
Opposition to Al Gore and Bill Clinton

Prior to Bill Clinton's second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church began to oppose Clinton and Gore because of the administration's support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball,.[27] denouncing Gore as a "famous fag pimp."[28] In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him "your dad's in Hell."[28]

In the aftermath of the election, in an incident that would be repeated years later when Phelps circulated a fuzzy petition to outlaw homosexual work protection, many of the Kansas Democrats who had cast votes for Phelps came forward to express their distaste for him. They claimed that Phelps had lied about his intentions to numerous constituents, using double-talk and fuzzy language to confuse them; neglected to mention his stances on race, religion, and homosexuality, and campaigned mainly on the platform of a "good ol' boy" Southern gentleman and retired lawyer unfairly prosecuted by the system.[29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Opposition_to_Al_Gore_and_Bill_Clinton

Yep, he sure seems like a Democrat all right. :roll:

That must make Michael Moore someone to be lauded by the right wing, then, right?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABH_RFeeGAs[/media]

Seeing as how he's opposed to the "Democrat" Fred Phelps. Again, :roll:
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']
So yeah, all causes have their black sheep, and while what this evangelist has done is disgusting and embarassing, pointing your E-finger and saying "see, I told you all christians/pro-life/(insert cause you don't agree with) people are evil, just look at him!" Is about as smart as saying all Democratic Senators from MA are alcoholic murderering lardasses with known ties to the KGB.[/QUOTE]

How often is the "black sheep" the leader of the group though?
 
And another biggot to make a thread about it.

Surprise, surprise. Just another case of a right-wing fundie doucchebag getting caught practicing what he's not preaching again.

If a 16 year old gamer robbed a liquor store and I started a thread by saying "suprise, suprise - another gamer goes violent", you'd be the first one to go apeshit, wouldn't you?

It's a fine day when a high profile "fundie douchebag" asshole gets what's coming to him, but he's not a representative of the whole of evangelicals, republicans, right wingers, or even conservatives. He is an individual, and responsible for his own actions.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']And another biggot to make a thread about it.



If a 16 year old gamer robbed a liquor store and I started a thread by saying "suprise, suprise - another gamer goes violent", you'd be the first one to go apeshit, wouldn't you?

It's a fine day when a high profile "fundie douchebag" asshole gets what's coming to him, but he's not a representative of the whole of evangelicals, republicans, right wingers, or even conservatives. He is an individual, and responsible for his own actions.[/quote]

LoL - it is another "fine day"

Gannon busted - a "fine day"

Abramoff goes to jail, Delay's days of holding office are over - a "fine day"

Foley busted - a "fine day"

Mel Gibson humiliates himself - a "fine day"

Rush L and drugs, O'Reilly and sexual harrassment, Bennet and gambling, "fine day", "fine day","fine day"

It's the hypocracy of the situation that I personally enjoy. I mean - if there was a gamer who went around denouncing the theory that videogames make gamers violent, and then they later found him yelling "500 points!" as he killed random people - then hells yeah I would love that story. Sadly it's only the fictional plot of a CSI episode that was no doubt written by some high profile "fundie douchebag" asshole.
 
[quote name='camoor']LoL - it is another "fine day"

Gannon busted - a "fine day"

Abramoff goes to jail, Delay's days of holding office are over - a "fine day"

Foley busted - a "fine day"

Mel Gibson humiliates himself - a "fine day"

Rush L and drugs, O'Reilly and sexual harrassment, Bennet and gambling, "fine day", "fine day","fine day"

It's the hypocracy of the situation that I personally enjoy. I mean - if there was a gamer who went around denouncing the theory that videogames make gamers violent, and then they later found him yelling "500 points!" as he killed random people - then hells yeah I would love that story. Sadly it's only the fictional plot of a CSI episode that was no doubt written by some high profile "fundie douchebag" asshole.[/QUOTE]

So, you derive pleasure from watching people's lives crumble becuase of the bad choices they make. Interesting, and sadistic.

Some, at least the more altruistic ones, would choose to sympathize and help others learn to make better choices, but I guess altruism can only be afforded to the correct party affiliations...
 
[quote name='bmulligan']So, you derive pleasure from watching people's lives crumble becuase of the bad choices they make. Interesting, and sadistic.

Some, at least the more altruistic ones, would choose to sympathize and help others learn to make better choices, but I guess altruism can only be afforded to the correct party affiliations...[/quote]

Want to take the convo to an emotional level? Fine by me.

I believe you are referring to schadenfreude.

I get my kicks out of seeing the "Masters of the Universe" types fall - you know - the Fastows, Skillings, Kozlowskis, etc who get their own in the end.

Kind of funny there BMulligan, I never figured you for the "bleeding heart" type who preaches reformation instead of punishment, especially when it came to hypocrites who should have known better. I suppose it's hard to know alot about a person's opinions from just posts on a message board though.

BTW - this is hilarious
October 30, 2006 -- DOING 81/2 to 25 years in the slam, disgraced former Tyco CEO Dennis Kozlowski bounds across the visiting room with a big smile to greet me as if we were going fishing.
But I guess he's been pretty lonely lately. He tells me his beautiful, blond wife of 51/2 years has only visited him once while he's been a resident of the Mid-State Correctional Facility - and it was to drop a bomb on him.
She said she wanted a divorce.
"It was the first time she had visited me here in upstate New York," Kozlowski told me. "It was the last time I saw her."
"It wasn't a long conversation, but she seemed to mean what she said. She said pretty much this: 'I retained some lawyers, I have to move on with my life, I am divorcing you,' and then she added, 'I need money.'
"Yeah, I was a little surprised. Right now, I am supposed to owe the government something like $100 million, I couldn't squeeze out a dime."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10302006/news/columnists/on_her_first_prison_visit__my_wife_told_me__i_want_a_divorce__koz_columnists_steve_dunleavy.htm


lol - OK - I feel a LITTLE bad for posting that quote
 
[quote name='MadFlava']LOL, just the other day he said he never knew, seen, or met the guy. Now he says he bought meth from him.

For more insight on Haggards views, watch him in an interview with Richard Dawkins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkUi6dhwWx0

[/quote]

I had only heard about this Dawkins guy on South Park. I must not be very well informed. He seems like a huge douchebag.

Not that I don't support his position, mind you, but he excersizes too much hyperbole.
 
[quote name='Quillion']I had only heard about this Dawkins guy on South Park. I must not be very well informed. He seems like a huge douchebag.

Not that I don't support his position, mind you, but he excersizes too much hyperbole.[/quote]

I have to agree with you. Dawkins went into this interview knowing what the outcome would be. He was going to create conflict with Haggard and try to rile him up. Then act like it was only Haggards doing. I have to find that South Park with him, I hope they make fun of him.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']So, you derive pleasure from watching people's lives crumble becuase of the bad choices they make. Interesting, and sadistic.

Some, at least the more altruistic ones, would choose to sympathize and help others learn to make better choices, but I guess altruism can only be afforded to the correct party affiliations...[/QUOTE]

Oh, turn off the waterworks, sissy. Haggard brought this on himself. Why is it that there appears to emerge that Republican scandals have the context of being what the offender is most against?

Haggard and homosexuality
Foley and pedophilia
Limbaugh and drugs
Bennett and gambling

I could go on; do I enjoy this? Yes, as a matter of fact. Haggard gets some remorse from me, because of the obvious psychological conflicts in his life. BUT, he was a VERY powerful man, with access to the president, who made one of his cultural goals the assurance that homosexuals would be legally treated as second-class citizens in Colorado, because the 17 or so other states already prohibiting them marriage (and spousal rights as a result) weren't enough. So, fuck him and let this take him down. Let the public see the face of those standing up to lambast others as sinners, and to deny them the rights they're secretly taking in behind the scenes.

Let him go down; I wouldn't trade this moment for anything in the world, except for more rights for homosexuals.
 
[quote name='Quillion']I had only heard about this Dawkins guy on South Park. I must not be very well informed. He seems like a huge douchebag.

Not that I don't support his position, mind you, but he excersizes too much hyperbole.[/quote]

Dawkins is kind of a douche. He acts a little too self-righteous and anti-religion. He's an excellent biologist though and does a good job of explaining evolution. And he's usually right (besides his stance on religion and violence, which is mainly what south park makes fun of him about).

You can add me to the "fuck the hypocrite" camp. I feel some sympathy for the guy, but every asshole that treats people like shit for being people deserves to go down and it's oh so fucking hilarious when it turns out they do the same stuff they rail against.

It's this kind of sweet, sweet irony that makes life worth living....
 
http://www.newlifechurch.org/pressrelease110606.pdf

November 4, 2006

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
New Life Church
Colorado Springs, Colorado

We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard. Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct.

The language of our church bylaws state that as Overseers we must decide in cases where the Senior Pastor has "demonstrated immoral conduct" whether we must "remove the pastor from his position or to discipline him in any way they deem necessary."

In consultation with leading evangelicals and experts familiar with the type of behavior Pastor Haggard has demonstrated, we have decided that the most positive and productive direction for our church is his dismissal and removal. In addition, the Overseers will continue to explore the depth of Pastor Haggard's offense so that a plan of healing and restoration can begin.

Pastor Haggard and his wife have been informed of this decision. They have agreed as well that he should be dismissed and that a new pastor for New Life Church should be selected according to the rules of replacement in the bylaws.

That process will begin immediately in hopes that a new pastor can be confirmed by the end of the year 2006. In the interim, Ross Parsley will function as the leader of the church with full support of the Overseers.

A letter of explanation and apology by Pastor Haggard as well as a word of encouragement from Gayle Haggard will be read in the 9:00 and 11:00 service of New Life Church.

In this scandal-ridden world we live in, it must have been some over the top shit he was doing that his church isn't standing behind him.
 
Are you genuinely asking or setting someone (me) up?

I know what it means to be "defrocked" in the Catholic church, and I know what it means to be an apostate. The thing about evangelism is that it seems to lack a consistent origin in its evolution in the US, so there doesn't appear to be consistency in terminology. One evangelical church's "dismissal" is another's "relocation."
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Are you genuinely asking or setting someone (me) up?

I know what it means to be "defrocked" in the Catholic church, and I know what it means to be an apostate. The thing about evangelism is that it seems to lack a consistent origin in its evolution in the US, so there doesn't appear to be consistency in terminology. One evangelical church's "dismissal" is another's "relocation."[/quote]

I wasn't setting anything up. I was wondering if it meant the same thing as excommunication. Seems like this church is not being too clear (probably a wise PR move)
 
[quote name='camoor']I wasn't setting anything up. I was wondering if it meant the same thing as excommunication. Seems like this church is not being too clear (probably a wise PR move)[/QUOTE]

I don't think so; the PR seems to suggest that he'll no longer hold a formal position in the church, but still participate as a member of the clergy.

Whether or not this means he'll still have power behind the scenes is beyond me; regardless, they lost a highly charismatic publicleader, which is a big loss to them.
 
[quote name='camoor']I wasn't setting anything up. I was wondering if it meant the same thing as excommunication. Seems like this church is not being too clear (probably a wise PR move)[/QUOTE]

And, inarguably, not very Christian. Coming from a religion based on forgiveness and turning the other cheek, concepts like excommunication, defrocking, or dismissing, shouldn't be part of their vocabulary.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']And, inarguably, not very Christian. Coming from a religion based on forgiveness and turning the other cheek, concepts like excommunication, defrocking, or dismissing, shouldn't be part of their vocabulary.[/quote]

Haha, yeah, they demonstrate their forgiveness and turning the other cheek when they rail against homosexuals. I don't think it'll spring to mind that dismissing haggard goes against principles they clearly don't follow :p.
 
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