Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked

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meh. even if it's true there's nothing we can do about it. The Bush administration has proven over and over again that whatever terrible things they did that got caught red handed, they would always go unpunished.

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked
by Thom Hartmann

When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.


Also See:

Florida Secretary of State Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004 (.pdf)
Florida Secretary of State County Registration by Party 2/9/2004 (.pdf)



While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking – the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 9,676 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable – this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)

More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line – the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.

One possible explanation for this is the "Dixiecrat" theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too.

One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the "rural Democrat" theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at http://ustogether.org/election04/PA_vote_patt.htm, doesn't show the same kind of swings as does Florida, lending credence to the possibility of problems in Florida.

Even more significantly, Dopp had first run the analysis while filtering out smaller (rural) counties, and still found that the only variable that accounted for a swing toward Republican voting was the use of optical-scan machines, whereas counties with touch-screen machines generally didn't swing - regardless of size.

Others offer similar insights, based on other data. A professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, noted that in Florida the vote to raise the minimum wage was approved by 72%, although Kerry got 48%. "The correlation between voting for the minimum wage increase and voting for Kerry isn't likely to be perfect," he noted, "but one would normally expect that the gap - of 1.5 million votes - to be far smaller than it was."

While all of this may or may not be evidence of vote tampering, it again brings the nation back to the question of why several states using electronic voting machines or scanners programmed by private, for-profit corporations and often connected to modems produced votes inconsistent with exit poll numbers.

Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.

But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.

How could this happen?

On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.

That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.

"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"

Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."

"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"

Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.

Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.

"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

But, it's running on a Windows PC.

So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.

In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.

"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."

They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."

As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.

Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."

On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv.) And they had left no tracks whatsoever, Harris said, noting that it would be nearly impossible for the election software – or a County election official - to know that the vote database had been altered.

Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.

Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to.

According to congressional candidate Fisher, it makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.

And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.

So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.

But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."
 
Bush won by more than "a few thousand here, a very thousand there".

Bush won, it sucks, we are screwed, but posting some iffy site info doesn't prove anything.
 
Did you really think that with the thousands of insecure and easily accessable electronic machines there would be no hacking?

Captain Obvious is going to go to your houses and pimp-slap all of you.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']already posted[/quote]

wow you managed to post the same thing 2 hours after I did just to say 'already posted' in my thread. I wonder if there's a term for pathetic people like you.
 
While it is plausible that someone tampered with election results, I find it difficult to believe this is true. Otherwise, it would be all over the major networks. The fact that it hasn't appeared on CNN or MSNBC or even FOX News leads me to believe that it is only a conspiracy theory.
 
phone_call_for_kerry.jpg
 
That one is just as good.

Didn't I tell you I asked my dad what brand of dog food he wanted me to pick up after Bush wrecked social security? To which my dad retorted; "Social security barely pays the utility bills and gas expenses for my two homes, 2 SUV's and boat."

To which I replied, "I hope all that is provided in your will!"

"Absolutely son, you were born white and rich. You didn't need to serve in the army but you did. I can't wait to see how your generation screws the poor!"

I tear up when I think of those words.

I can't wait to screw the poor. SNIFF SNIFF
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']That one is just as good.

Didn't I tell you I asked my dad what brand of dog food he wanted me to pick up after Bush wrecked social security? To which my dad retorted; "Social security barely pays the utility bills and gas expenses for my two homes, 2 SUV's and boat."

To which I replied, "I hope all that is provided in your will!"

"Absolutely son, you were born white and rich. You didn't need to serve in the army but you did. I can't wait to see how your generation screws the poor!"

I tear up when I think of those words.

I can't wait to screw the poor. SNIFF SNIFF[/quote]

After reading your post, and several other of your rants, I was reminded of a very poignant scene in the movie "Tombstone" where the main characters are discussing a misanthrope by the name of "Johnny Ringo"

Wyatt Earp : What makes a man like Ringo, Doc?
Doc Holliday : A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of himself. And he can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp : What does he want?
Doc Holliday : Revenge.
Wyatt Earp : For what?
Doc Holliday : Bein' born.

I know many others on this board have told you to go to hell, but I suspect that you're already trapped in a world of your own personal torment. I know that you will take this opportunity to flame me, but if I've caused you to pause for even a few seconds, I know it was worth it.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
Didn't I tell you I asked my dad what brand of dog food he wanted me to pick up after Bush wrecked social security? To which my dad retorted; "Social security barely pays the utility bills and gas expenses for my two homes, 2 SUV's and boat."[/quote]

LMAO If people didnt live outside their means now, and put away 3000 a year into a Roth IRA, they wouldnt have to worry about social security. They would be able to gamble it away like my grandparents do.
 
After I'm done buying dog food for ex social security receivers I'm going to give some outdated textbooks to inner city school children that don't tell them how the Korean War ended and end at 98 elements!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

EDIT: Hey camoor, I already had my fill of killin'. We went on a 100 hour killing spree that probably killed a few hundred in Iraq and western Kuwait. We ignited more tanks, APC's and plain old trucks than I could rightly count in an after action report.

Hmmmmm, nothing says good morning like a ham and egg MRE on the go and a desert full of burning T-72's while pulling an Israeli.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']After I'm done buying dog food for ex social security receivers I'm going to give some outdated textbooks to inner city school children that don't tell them how the Korean War ended and end at 98 elements!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

EDIT: Hey camoor, I already had my fill of killin'. We went on a 100 hour killing spree that probably killed a few hundred in Iraq and western Kuwait. We ignited more tanks, APC's and plain old trucks than I could rightly count in an after action report.

Hmmmmm, nothing says good morning like a ham and egg MRE on the go and a desert full of burning T-72's while pulling an Israeli.[/quote]

Yeah, you're the same guy who's mailing out razors, so forgive me if I don't believe you've rid yourself of all your overwhelming rage. Most of us already know to filter out all the BS, why don't you get Nick back up on your knee for another bedtime story.
 
I've been checking into this, and it seems there may indeed have been some very widespread problems on election day. Consider the following:

Even though Kerry has stopped fighting for the presidency, serious questions abound about the use of electronic voting machines. Take this story: In a voting precinct in Ohio's Franklin County, records show that 638 people cast ballots. Yet, George W Bush got 4,258 votes to John Kerry's 260. In reality, Bush only received 365 votes. That means Bush got nearly 3,900 extra votes. And that's just in one small precinct. This in a state that Bush officially won by only 136,000 votes. Elections officials blamed electronic voting for the extra Bush votes.

There are lots of similar reports at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html

If the reports come out to be true, it is very important that this be fixed before the next round of elections.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']After I'm done buying dog food for ex social security receivers I'm going to give some outdated textbooks to inner city school children that don't tell them how the Korean War ended and end at 98 elements!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

EDIT: Hey camoor, I already had my fill of killin'. We went on a 100 hour killing spree that probably killed a few hundred in Iraq and western Kuwait. We ignited more tanks, APC's and plain old trucks than I could rightly count in an after action report.

Hmmmmm, nothing says good morning like a ham and egg MRE on the go and a desert full of burning T-72's while pulling an Israeli.[/quote]

You're a sadist

1. You enjoyed killing many people in the mideast, and were only too glad to go over under the cover of being "a good soldier"

2. You take delight in the suffering of the poor and downtrodden in this country, and applaud any measures that worsen their plight.

3. You enjoy stories like the one about the man who committed suicide in times square, you even offer to assist in the death of many others (like a big man over the internet). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, I bet a "person" like you would go through with it.

Hey, you're better then alot of other Bush supporters, at least you admit it all in an open forum. Until we get more of this honesty going, I don't think we'll be able to start solving the massive problems that this country currently faces.
 
[quote name='coffman']I've been checking into this, and it seems there may indeed have been some very widespread problems on election day. Consider the following:

Even though Kerry has stopped fighting for the presidency, serious questions abound about the use of electronic voting machines. Take this story: In a voting precinct in Ohio's Franklin County, records show that 638 people cast ballots. Yet, George W Bush got 4,258 votes to John Kerry's 260. In reality, Bush only received 365 votes. That means Bush got nearly 3,900 extra votes. And that's just in one small precinct. This in a state that Bush officially won by only 136,000 votes. Elections officials blamed electronic voting for the extra Bush votes.

There are lots of similar reports at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html

If the reports come out to be true, it is very important that this be fixed before the next round of elections.[/quote]

The number of honest elections will dwindle as the republicans control more and more of the senate, house, and governor positions. It will take a major disaster with the U.S. to change things.
 
Just checking a bit deeper. In Cuyahoga County, OH there were many precincts that had higher than 100% of the registered vote. The best one is Woodmere VIL. That precinct had 558 registered voters, but there were 8,854 ballots cast (1,587%!). All of the extra votes in that county alone (i.e. where there is greater than 100% turnout) amount to 97,489 votes. If these numbers are true and accurate, I don't see how Ohio could possibly certify their election results.
 
[quote name='coffman']Just checking a bit deeper. In Cuyahoga County, OH there were many precincts that had higher than 100% of the registered vote. The best one is Woodmere VIL. That precinct had 558 registered voters, but there were 8,854 ballots cast (1,587%!). All of the extra votes in that county alone (i.e. where there is greater than 100% turnout) amount to 97,489 votes. If these numbers are true and accurate, I don't see how Ohio could possibly certify their election results.[/quote]

When Diebold voting machines see a glitch they automatically generate an insane amount of republican votes, so that the authorities can notice the glitch.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']After I'm done buying dog food for ex social security receivers I'm going to give some outdated textbooks to inner city school children that don't tell them how the Korean War ended and end at 98 elements!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

EDIT: Hey camoor, I already had my fill of killin'. We went on a 100 hour killing spree that probably killed a few hundred in Iraq and western Kuwait. We ignited more tanks, APC's and plain old trucks than I could rightly count in an after action report.

Hmmmmm, nothing says good morning like a ham and egg MRE on the go and a desert full of burning T-72's while pulling an Israeli.[/quote]

You're a sadist

1. You enjoyed killing many people in the mideast, and were only too glad to go over under the cover of being "a good soldier"

2. You take delight in the suffering of the poor and downtrodden in this country, and applaud any measures that worsen their plight.

3. You enjoy stories like the one about the man who committed suicide in times square, you even offer to assist in the death of many others (like a big man over the internet). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, I bet a "person" like you would go through with it.

Hey, you're better then alot of other Bush supporters, at least you admit it all in an open forum. Until we get more of this honesty going, I don't think we'll be able to start solving the massive problems that this country currently faces.[/quote]
 
This just keeps getting better and better. In Cleveland, a democratic stronghold, most precincts registered as having less than a 30% turnout, even though the lines were freaking long and people had to wait for hours to vote. One precinct had only a 7% turnout. That's right, 7%. Something is seriously wrong in Ohio.
 
[quote name='coffman']This just keeps getting better and better. In Cleveland, a democratic stronghold, most precincts registered as having less than a 30% turnout, even though the lines were freaking long and people had to wait for hours to vote. One precinct had only a 7% turnout. That's right, 7%. Something is seriously wrong in Ohio.[/quote]

Interesting stuff, but will anybody actually do anything about this?
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='coffman']This just keeps getting better and better. In Cleveland, a democratic stronghold, most precincts registered as having less than a 30% turnout, even though the lines were freaking long and people had to wait for hours to vote. One precinct had only a 7% turnout. That's right, 7%. Something is seriously wrong in Ohio.[/quote]

Interesting stuff, but will anybody actually do anything about this?[/quote]

No, nothing will be done. The right man is in office, even though he had to cheat.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I knew the "rigged election" theory would make a comeback.

I knew the losers wouldn't let me down.[/quote]

How someone acts after they lose is a good measuring stick of their character. it seems that a lot of Dems are some poor losers
 
[quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='Scrubking']I knew the "rigged election" theory would make a comeback.

I knew the losers wouldn't let me down.[/quote]

How someone acts after they lose is a good measuring stick of their character. it seems that a lot of Dems are some poor losers[/quote]

Too true. Nixon won fair and square, this "Watergate" stuff is just a pack of lies.
 
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