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According to the study by Los Angeles based Interpret, 8.9 million U.S consumers ‘are prepared’ to pay full price ($500 or $600) for the PlayStation 3 this fall, compared to 5.7 million consumers who are willing to buy Wii at $250 and just 800,000 people who are willing to pay full price for Xbox 360 ($300 to $400).
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yeah.........
I don't even know why people considered the possibility that the price would prevent people from buying a PS3. Mainly in my opinion I feel people generalized thier own opinions to the general public. Either way, after the preorder sales and this report....
 
Except that 1) no one should listen to analysts (because tomorrow someone will have a story that contradicts this one), and 2) of course the first few million are going to sell out to fanboys.

Let's not consider the fact that it is more than obvious that the first wave of consumers are buying theirs in order to sell them on eBay.

A year from now is where the true test begins. Then we'll see who has the biggest balls to flex.
 
yeah, there's a lot of morons. so what.

There's enough intelligent people to keep Nintendo and Microsoft afloat, so we'll continue to have competition. No Big Deal.
 
it's true that they may be inaccurate, however people obviously underestimate the power of the Sony Playstation brand. Either way it just goes to show that anyone who blatantly says that the console is too expensive for people to buy doesn't know thier crap.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']it's true that they may be inaccurate, however people obviously underestimate the power of the Sony Playstation brand. Either way it just goes to show that anyone who blatantly says that the console is too expensive for people to buy doesn't know thier crap.[/QUOTE]

I dunno.

I know a lot of people want the PS3, but the reaction normally follows a groove, which is me asking them if they know how much it costs, and then banshee shrieks a second later from their newly-gained knowledge.

I think if you go to someone and say "it costs 500, is that okay with you?" is worlds apart from the reality, which is that a game + system + tax puts it well over $600 even for the core system, and over $700 for the hardcore. And if $50 is enough to give people convulsions re: Wii, I can't imagine what $100 would make (certainly not as big a splash, I mean you're already paying that much anyway, what's another C?).

On top of that, sure a lot of people say they are prepared to pay it, but that isn't the same as the people who actually will. I'm prepared to pay $500 for a nice speaker system, and have been for the last several years, yet I'm still chugging out some shitty little Logitechs.

Again, a year from now is the test. A lot of smoke and mirrors and bragging clueless people right now makes little difference.

*looks forward to pro-360 kicking PS3's ass analyst story tomorrow*
 
[quote name='Zoglog']it's true that they may be inaccurate, however people obviously underestimate the power of the Sony Playstation brand. Either way it just goes to show that anyone who blatantly says that the console is too expensive for people to buy doesn't know thier crap.[/QUOTE]


agreed. the "Sony is going to phail this gen lol" stuff was wayyyy wrong..but I think they'll definitely lose some ground this time around, but still be on top.
 
[quote name='Strell']Except that 1) no one should listen to analysts (because tomorrow someone will have a story that contradicts this one), and 2) of course the first few million are going to sell out to fanboys.

Let's not consider the fact that it is more than obvious that the first wave of consumers are buying theirs in order to sell them on eBay.

A year from now is where the true test begins. Then we'll see who has the biggest balls to flex.[/quote]

I certainly understand that you're obviously partial to a system other than Sony. But it's becoming more and more apparent as the days move forward that the talk of Sony's overpriced demise appears to be a bit overdone.

As far as the eBay situation goes, Sony would love to see every one of their 400,000 systems go right up on eBay and sell for ridiculous prices. It's free media and will only further the thought that the system is a 'must have' in the media stories that come out afterwards. That would be the best case scenario.

Also, I certainly don't think that their is a direct correlation between quality and sales in the video game market. If there was, EA would be filing for bankruptcy right now. Instead, they sold millions of copies of Madden solely based on marketing and past games rather than them actually putting out a quality game this year.
 
Man, you are putting so many words in my mouth, they're having a party.

I never once said this was Sony's demise. You can search around if you'd like.

I've been saying pretty heavily now that a year from now is the true test.
 
8.9 million....how many ps2s are there out there? 100 million? Thats less than 10% of the customer base. Which means it is too expensive and that most of the fan base isnt *prepared* to purchase a ps3.

Either way, 8.9 mil is more than enough for 400,000. I also think out of that 400k, we will see at least 50k on ebay lol


Also limelicker, Madden has always gotten the best reviews even before it was the exclusive liscense...you might be able to argue with nba live but madden has always had good quality, play each years copy on ps2 and you will see huge improvements from year to year. Not to mention that the NFL changes so much yearly that team balance must change to coincide with this in game. A mere roster update wont change the fact that the rams dominated in game and in real life back in 2000 and that they are no where near that here in 2006. Thats all im gonna say on that though since its off topic
 
According to the study by Los Angeles based Interpret, 8.9 million U.S consumers ‘are prepared’ to pay full price ($500 or $600) for the PlayStation 3 this fall, compared to 5.7 million consumers who are willing to buy Wii at $250 and just 800,000 people who are willing to pay full price for Xbox 360 ($300 to $400).
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It's really strange how they worded that. People are "prepared" to buy a PS3, but they are "willing" to buy a Wii or an Xbox 360.

Regardless, analysts are full of crap. What the hell do these numbers even mean? Even if there were 8.9 million PS3's available in the U.S., I guarantee that 8.9 million people would not buy one for $500-$600 between November 17th and December 31st. It's a completely ridiculous number that has no bearing on how many systems will be sold of each console this fall.

So far the X360 has been selling about 1.7 million units per quarter since it's been out (that's worldwide). This idiot thinking that the Wii can sell 5.7 million and the PS3 can sell 8.9 million IN THE U.S. ALONE in what will ultimately be less than a full quarter is simply ludicrous. Sure, this numbers aren't what the analysts think will sell in that quarter but merely what people are "prepared" or "willing" to buy. Which brings me back to WHAT THE HELL DO THESE NUMBERS EVEN MEAN?


The funny thing about these numbers is that the Xbox 360 will actually come closest to meeting (and may surpass) the numbers this analyst pulled out of his ass.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']it's true that they may be inaccurate, however people obviously underestimate the power of the Sony Playstation brand.[/quote]
Just a reminder:

There was once a time when the Atari brand held a good deal of weight. The 2600 sold more consoles than its competitors, even though the competing systems could actually play 2600 games in addition to their own games.

And let's not forget the Nintendo brand. Sony could only wish to get a PS2 into 1-in-3 American households (like the NES). That brand-loyalty helped Nintendo out during the SNES era, but not much further beyond that.

The Sony Playstation brand is no different than either of these. Brand loyalty can only take you so far.
 
The Playstation brand name is so recognizable with the average consumer. I have no doubt that PS3 will be this sought after by not only hardcore gamers but the general public as well. Right now Sony is in the position that nintendo was in before N64. As long as they can keep their exclusive franchises (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid) they won't repeat the same mistakes Nintendo made.
 
I bet the poll would of looked simmilar in 1996 when the 64 was about to launch.... Exchange N64 with the PS3, Saturn with the Wii and PS with the 360. Just look how that turned out. Hype plays a big part for us Americans. If Sony would of had more consoles ready launch they would be off to a great start with all the hype. Holliday 07/08 will be an interesting one to watch. I am hoping for a 3 way tie/race for some great competition!
 
[quote name='Zoglog']http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3978&Itemid=2

yeah.........
I don't even know why people considered the possibility that the price would prevent people from buying a PS3. Mainly in my opinion I feel people generalized thier own opinions to the general public. Either way, after the preorder sales and this report....[/QUOTE]

Can you find a link where anyone said that the PS3 wouldn't sell out its first batch? Or are you creating strawmen to knock down?
 
I curious what the actually launch numbers will be. I didn't know that Xbox 360 launch with so low numbers. I thought it launched with 500,000 units. Still, from what I saw during the preorder, half of the people in line were parents buying it for christmas, either for their spouse or their kids. Only the first 4 people looked like serious hardcore gamers. No one in line was an Ebayer. While I agree the PS3 is in the postion the N64 was in 1997, I believe it will not go the way of the N64 because it was lack of third party support that caused the N64 to not meet expectations. To this day I believe Nintendo still hasn't recovered from the exodus of third party support.
 
Yeah I love how you have to make this topic just to go "I told you so". No one (And I don't literally mean no one, the OP might think I do) is gonig to wonder into a store and asked for help picking a system, get lied to like they did this gen and walk out with the most expensive system.

My favorite "predection" is that the Wii is 5 years will sell only 17 million units and the PS3 will sell 70 million. The Wii, if it works right, will sell 17 million copies in Japan alone.
 
[quote name='iufoltzie']Can you find a link where anyone said that the PS3 wouldn't sell out its first batch? Or are you creating strawmen to knock down?[/QUOTE]

yes you got me, very big strawmen with laser guns and they ride dinosaurs.
 
[quote name='David85']No one (And I don't literally mean no one, the OP might think I do) is gonig to wonder into a store and asked for help picking a system, get lied to like they did this gen and walk out with the most expensive system.[/quote] That is unless the employee has learned the 1337 skillz of the GameCrazy training video.
 
You know it's odd, remember the good ol days where nintendo made video game systems to PLAY video games on, now the new *insert game system here* can whipe your own but for you too!
 
[quote name='David85']
My favorite "predection" is that the Wii is 5 years will sell only 17 million units and the PS3 will sell 70 million. The Wii, if it works right, will sell 17 million copies in Japan alone.[/QUOTE]

I think the research is for the US alone.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Research?[/QUOTE]


From the link:
This research, released first to Next Generation, was derived from a sample of 2,000 interviews Interpret conducted online, weighted to 2004 Census data of 13 to 54 year-olds in the U.S. Researchers ran a parallel random digit dial telephone study as a back-up to weigh the data to what the US population looks like to ensure that the online data was not over-representing females, which often occurs with online surveys.

Now im not saying this is good or bad research, but its research none the less.
 
they are over 1,000 on ebay now who in there right mind has that type of money to buy a stupid game system????? what a bunch of stupid fucks
 
[quote name='evilmojo12542']they are over 1,000 on ebay now who in there right mind has that type of money to buy a stupid game system????? what a bunch of stupid fucks[/QUOTE]

people who make more money than you?
Do you seriously think people who spend 100k on a watch or 100k on a home stereo system are going to give a fuck about $1200 for a game system? To these people thier time is far more valuable than that.

I swear, some of you spend way too much time at CAG and assume everyone is as cheap as you.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']people who make more money than you?
Do you seriously think people who spend 100k on a watch or 100k on a home stereo system are going to give a fuck about $1200 for a game system? To these people thier time is far more valuable than that.

I swear, some of you spend way too much time at CAG and assume everyone is as cheap as you.[/QUOTE]
Seriously.. sometimes people need to think before they talk..
 
No one in their right mind has ever said that the inital batch of PS3s wouldn't sell out. If Sony only moved 9 million units this generation, that would be a demise like no other.

The issue, as Strell pointed out, is in the long haul. Will Sony be able to convince people to buy their system in a few years when they might be able to break even or possibly make money on a system sale? SquareEnix and Rockstar's GTA aren't going to be there to help them with Sony-exclusive status like there was last gen.

There will be goofballs that buy the PS3 right away based on brand alone, just like there are goofballs buying the next Nintendo system and have bought the next Microsoft system (thought I think Sony and Nintendo play the blind fanboy card better than MS can at this point).

Will there be content that justifies the more expensive PS3 over the 360 in 3 years? Time will tell.

And "studies" like this are a dime a dozen. Scan the vaults of Kotaku or Joystiq. You'll fine a pretty even split between "Sony wins!" predicitons vs. "Microsoft wins!" and "Nintendo wins!" entries.
 
Ya, I'm *prepared* to buy a new Lexus, but it's going to take me about 20 years to save up for one. :roll:

The only thing that report tells you is that more people want a PS3 than the ones that could afford it.
 
When the ps3 becomes more affordable, I think it'll last very good in the long run and still be better over the 360 and the wii.

I really don't think the 360 has much going for it. The ps3 has the same features, plus HDMI and blu ray, plus it will have much better games.
 
Ya, I'm *prepared* to buy a new Lexus, but it's going to take me about 20 years to save up for one. :roll:

The only thing that report tells you is that more people want a PS3 than the ones that could actually afford it.
 
At the rate Sony is producing these things I wonder if 8.9million units will hit US by the end of 07. Huge demand with a short supply leads to would be customers looking elsewhere.

Still I would probably be willing to spend $600 on the system if they were easily available and a few good launch titles came out.
 
[quote name='analysts']This research, released first to Next Generation, was derived from a sample of 2,000 interviews Interpret conducted online[/quote]

:roll:
 
[quote name='chaarlieee']Seriously.. sometimes people need to think before they talk..[/QUOTE]

lots of "talking" online.... speaking of which.... yeah..............
 
[quote name='chaarlieee']I really don't think the 360 has much going for it. The ps3 has the same features, plus HDMI and blu ray, plus it will have much better games.[/QUOTE]

Thus far I've seen no evidence at all that the PS3 will have superior games, nor that the Blu Ray media format isn't going to crash and burn. We'll see, I guess.
 
[quote name='Strell']Except that 1) no one should listen to analysts (because tomorrow someone will have a story that contradicts this one)[/QUOTE]

In other related news:

According to the study by Mukilteo based captainfrizo, 16.7%* of U.S consumers "are prepared" to pay full price ($500 or $600) for the PlayStation 3 this fall, while the remaining 83.3%* of U.S. consumers are not "prepared" to pay full price.


*Study results were based on responses from six gamers, including captainfrizo himself.
 
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After reading the Wii preorder thread and the PS3 preorder threads I've notice that there is a lot of Playstation haters in CAG. Personally I think all three systems have something to offer. The 360 probably has the most appealing game line up for me, followed by the PS3, and then the Wii.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']After reading the Wii preorder thread and the PS3 preorder threads I've notice that there is a lot of Playstation haters in CAG. Personally I think all three systems have something to offer. The 360 probably has the most appealing game line up for me, followed by the PS3, and then the Wii.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely; being region free will open up a whole new generation of PS1/PS2 games for me. I can weather a poor launch lineup of games (nothing new to the PlayStation brand, mind you) on that alone.

Looking at the games on my 360 I would kill to keep, I didn't know what Dead Rising and Saints Row were at launch. I didn't know XBLA would be such fun. I knew about a few titles, but they collect dust now. Perfect Dark? Bleh.

The Wii has a big launch lineup, but Wii Sports notwithstanding, I'm not interested in much else. I've ordered the GC Twilight Princess b/c I'll stick with what I'm familiar with unless the Wiimote proves a resounding success.

[quote name='Strell']Except that 1) no one should listen to analysts (because tomorrow someone will have a story that contradicts this one), and 2) of course the first few million are going to sell out to fanboys.[/QUOTE]

In other words, no one should take analysts seriously because (1) they contradict each other and (2) because consumers will do exactly what the analysts cited in the OP predict they will. That's precisely what you're saying.

One thing you're quite right about, and something MadFlava seems to suggest, is that the true test will be in the coming years. The most important questions are (1) who has the first price drop (and how big/small is it)?, (2) what do software lineups look like?, and (3) what exclusives do each system have?

Someone suggested Sony will have to weather this generation without Square-Enix. I couldn't disagree more. They're expanding, but in terms of software output, they seem to regard Microsoft like a stepfather who never wanted a stepchild; they're growing with Nintendo in the portable realm, but I don't recall any announcements for Wii. That leaves themas PS3 developers, unless you think "Sylpheed" is worth writing home about compared to Final Fantasy.

This will be a fun few years, and there's one thing we can all agree on: buy the goddamned extended warranty.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']people who make more money than you?
Do you seriously think people who spend 100k on a watch or 100k on a home stereo system are going to give a fuck about $1200 for a game system? To these people thier time is far more valuable than that.

I swear, some of you spend way too much time at CAG and assume everyone is as cheap as you.[/QUOTE]


Yes because there are so many "100k watches" people that are going to buy a PS3.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']8.9 million....how many ps2s are there out there? 100 million? Thats less than 10% of the customer base. Which means it is too expensive and that most of the fan base isnt *prepared* to purchase a ps3.

Either way, 8.9 mil is more than enough for 400,000. I also think out of that 400k, we will see at least 50k on ebay lol


Also limelicker, Madden has always gotten the best reviews even before it was the exclusive liscense...you might be able to argue with nba live but madden has always had good quality, play each years copy on ps2 and you will see huge improvements from year to year. Not to mention that the NFL changes so much yearly that team balance must change to coincide with this in game. A mere roster update wont change the fact that the rams dominated in game and in real life back in 2000 and that they are no where near that here in 2006. Thats all im gonna say on that though since its off topic[/quote]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That made my day. You, sir, are the king of comedy.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']After reading the Wii preorder thread and the PS3 preorder threads I've notice that there is a lot of Playstation haters in CAG. Personally I think all three systems have something to offer. The 360 probably has the most appealing game line up for me, followed by the PS3, and then the Wii.[/quote]

This isn't something new. CAG has been a MS/Nintendo slanting site for some time now. While only registering recently, I've been a long time reader. I would say that there's still some good posters here. You just have to weed out some of the comments to get to the good stuff.
 
People are forgetting that most of those PS2s sold after price drops. And the PS3 will drop quickly. Sony has a lot more to gain from just getting blu-ray players in houses than anything else, and the cost of making the drives will drop very fast.

Also PS2 is still putting out the most attractive game lineup so a lot of the more casual gamers won't feel the need to move on to the next generation yet.
 
[quote name='happy']People are forgetting that most of those PS2s sold after price drops. And the PS3 will drop quickly. Sony has a lot more to gain from just getting blu-ray players in houses than anything else, and the cost of making the drives will drop very fast.

Also PS2 is still putting out the most attractive game lineup so a lot of the more casual gamers won't feel the need to move on to the next generation yet.[/quote]

In regards to the Blu-ray, there's going to be a pretty quick decrease in manufacture cost as we move along. Sony will be able to cut that price in a year or two on the console by at least $100. If they can do that, the Blu-ray format's going to be awfully tough to beat. I really don't see that may 360 owners buying the add on HD-DVD. That's going to lead to a big lead for Sony as far as hi-def DVD units in the home. Gamers may not have liked the Blu-ray being standard in the PS3, but it's going to win the format war for them down the road.
 
[quote name='limelicker']In regards to the Blu-ray, there's going to be a pretty quick decrease in manufacture cost as we move along. Sony will be able to cut that price in a year or two on the console by at least $100. If they can do that, the Blu-ray format's going to be awfully tough to beat. I really don't see that may 360 owners buying the add on HD-DVD. That's going to lead to a big lead for Sony as far as hi-def DVD units in the home. Gamers may not have liked the Blu-ray being standard in the PS3, but it's going to win the format war for them down the road.[/QUOTE]
But the question is are PS3 owners going to buy a bunch of BLU-Ray movies (if any at all) or will they be spending all their money on games or DVDs? I know that not many PSP users bought UMDs. I know it is home viewing vs. portable viewing but it is the best info we have in these uncharted waters. This is going to be an interesting generation and hope in won't be an overkill for the industry.
Also with the news that PS3 isn't going to have component or HDMI hook-ups how many casuals will pay the $10 - $20 more for BD over DVD? With the 360 HD-DVD you know that everyone that buys one will buy at least 3+ HD-DVDs because it was bought for only one purpose to play HD-DVD movies.
A year and a half after the PS2 came out it was at the magic $200 price point here in the US and I can't see the PS3 or 360 having that price before 2009 (if ever for PS3.)
 
[quote name='limelicker']In regards to the Blu-ray, there's going to be a pretty quick decrease in manufacture cost as we move along. Sony will be able to cut that price in a year or two on the console by at least $100. If they can do that, the Blu-ray format's going to be awfully tough to beat. I really don't see that may 360 owners buying the add on HD-DVD. That's going to lead to a big lead for Sony as far as hi-def DVD units in the home. Gamers may not have liked the Blu-ray being standard in the PS3, but it's going to win the format war for them down the road.[/QUOTE]

That's IF people even want a next-gen format. AFAIK there's tons of people happy with basic DVDs. The two new formats don't offer anything even remotely close to what DVDs offered over VHS.

I don't think Sony's going anywhere. Yes, the PS3 has been nothing but a big $600 joke since May, however there's enough retards fanboys out there to keep Sony afloat for quite some time. Does that mean they're a shoe-in for first place this format? Maybe, but it certainly isn't going to be the iron-grip they held the past two generations.

[quote name='spoo']But the question is are PS3 owners going to buy a bunch of BLU-Ray movies (if any at all) or will they be spending all their money on games or DVDs? I know that not many PSP users bought UMDs. I know it is home viewing vs. portable viewing but it is the best info we have in these uncharted waters. This is going to be an interesting generation and hope in won't be an overkill for the industry.
Also with the news that PS3 isn't going to have component or HDMI hook-ups how many casuals will pay the $10 - $20 more for BD over DVD? With the 360 HD-DVD you know that everyone that buys one will buy at least 3+ HD-DVDs because it was bought for only one purpose to play HD-DVD movies.
A year and a half after the PS2 came out it was at the magic $200 price point here in the US and I can't see the PS3 or 360 having that price before 2009 (if ever for PS3.)[/QUOTE]

You know, you bring up a good point. With inflation on the rise, will we ever see PS3 go for $200 or less MSRP?
 
[quote name='spoo']But the question is are PS3 owners going to buy a bunch of BLU-Ray movies (if any at all) or will they be spending all their money on games or DVDs? I know that not many PSP users bought UMDs. I know it is home viewing vs. portable viewing but it is the best info we have in these uncharted waters. This is going to be an interesting generation and hope in won't be an overkill for the industry.
Also with the news that PS3 isn't going to have component or HDMI hook-ups how many casuals will pay the $10 - $20 more for BD over DVD? With the 360 HD-DVD you know that everyone that buys one will buy at least 3+ HD-DVDs because it was bought for only one purpose to play HD-DVD movies.
A year and a half after the PS2 came out it was at the magic $200 price point here in the US and I can't see the PS3 or 360 having that price before 2009 (if ever for PS3.)[/quote]

A few points:

1. The UMD market is actually doing better now that they dropped the price point. A couple of the tech blogs reported that a few months ago. Sony is able to manufacture them pretty cheaply, so there's no reason that they shouldn't continue to do relatively well to the point where Sony will continue to make a small profit.

2. B-R movies won't be more than $10 over the price of a regular DVD once the price settles down. Currently, Blu-Ray movies are selling on Amazon for between $19-27. That's not that big of a difference. Also, most people will wait for the post release markdowns to get the movies even cheaper. Also, people who buy the console on launch are not price conscious people. They want all the goodies no matter what the price. Paying $5-6 more to get a HD version of a movie won't be that big of a deal for them.

3. There's no way that the PS3 gets down to the $200 price point. If it gets to the $300 mark in 4-5 years, that will be enough to sell a lot of these consoles. A lot of it depends on the manufacturing process and how quickly the costs go down.
 
[quote name='Pylis']Thus far I've seen no evidence at all that the PS3 will have superior games, nor that the Blu Ray media format isn't going to crash and burn. We'll see, I guess.[/quote] I saw plenty of evidence more than a year ago. Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XII, Final Fantasy Versus XII, Devil May Cry 4, Gran Turismo 5, God of War 2.. it'll have all the same sports titles and other multiplayer games that the 360 will have.

The only obvious edge in games that the 360 has over the ps3 is Halo 3. :roll:
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']That's IF people even want a next-gen format. AFAIK there's tons of people happy with basic DVDs. The two new formats don't offer anything even remotely close to what DVDs offered over VHS.

I don't think Sony's going anywhere. Yes, the PS3 has been nothing but a big $600 joke since May, however there's enough retards fanboys out there to keep Sony afloat for quite some time. Does that mean they're a shoe-in for first place this format? Maybe, but it certainly isn't going to be the iron-grip they held the past two generations.



You know, you bring up a good point. With inflation on the rise, will we ever see PS3 go for $200 or less MSRP?[/quote] I think people DO want a HD format. I know I do, and there are plenty videophiles that want the same. I know a few old people that have nothing better to spend their money on than the newest audio and video equipment. People are obsessed with HD.

Like I said, the $600 price tag won't last forever, and for people that have the 360, it'll cost an additional $200 if you want to upgrade your system with HD-DVD, making the system the same price as a ps3. I don't think the hd-dvd upgrade will be a huge sell, at least not right away.
 
I think Sony's biggest hurdle will be themselves. Even if 8.9 Million people wanted to buy a PS3 tomorrow they wouldn't exist to sell them. Sony sold a lot of PS2s but most people I talk to have had at least 2 PS2s in its generation. One of them broke so they bought another one...me included...so that is why I personally have a hard time listening when Sony balks about how many consoles they sold.

I don't doubt that the PS3 launch units will have issues. Even big old Ken mentioned how Sony's hardware was in decline. GREAT! All of that aside though its going to be a while before we see PS3s on the shelf in bulk. The cell processor chip has seen a higher failure rate than Sony expected. A lot of people seem to think the Blu-Ray drives will become cheaper to manufacture after a really short period of time. I think that would only happen if Blu-Ray catches on...which at this point I don't see happening at a rate that DVD did.

Now the Xbox 360 has a DVD drive which is cheap and it already has a new chipset in the works for 2007. This will allow them to drop the price of the console. This combined with a year to a year and a half worth of software available looks pretty good. If there aren't PS3s on the shelf in 2007 people will look in the 360's direction.
 
[quote name='chaarlieee']I think people DO want a HD format. I know I do, and there are plenty videophiles that want the same. I know a few old people that have nothing better to spend their money on than the newest audio and video equipment. People are obsessed with HD.

Like I said, the $600 price tag won't last forever, and for people that have the 360, it'll cost an additional $600 if you want to upgrade your system with HD-DVD.[/QUOTE]

Huh? Last I checked the HD-DVD add-on was $200 not $600.
 
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