France's solution to preachers of radicalism: deportation

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4688111.stm

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has vowed to deport any Muslim cleric preaching violence.
Speaking after meeting his Spanish counterpart in Madrid, Mr Sarkozy said he would seek the expulsion of imams in France "whose sermons are radical".

"The [French] republic is not a weak regime and it does not have to accept speech which on the pretext that it is happening in a place of worship calls for hate and murder. "Those who persist in this way will systematically be the object of an expulsion procedure."
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Is this a sound approach? Yes, it seeks to remove the basis for the "brainwashing" of young, explosive-laden adherents to religious radicalism, but it raises a host of questions regarding implimentation and enforcement.

On this side of the Atlantic, we have looked back with regret on detention centers used to sequester sub-populations of our own public during times of war, and outright deportation is only one step further along that path.

For every 9,999 Muslims working, recreating, shopping, living in America, there may be 1 impressionable youth who embraces extremism. What could I be expected to do if I were one of the 9,999? Quit my job and spend my days tracking down possible culprits among my own community, so that we would not be collectively judged by his lone example? Or, should I accept curbs upon my personal freedoms as a citizen, with the fatalistic acceptance that it is unavoidable? How would they impliment such a policy here (or in France, for that matter)? Post an auditor in every mosque? Dedicate a portion of the national budget for pay-outs to those who are willing to phone in anonymous tips on their neighborhood clerics?

I know it's always easier to criticize the solutions others put forward, and I'm not certain whether this move by the French Interior Minister will prove effective or not. Still, precedent is a significant guiding force in any community, international or otherwise, and this approach is too reminiscent of past mistakes for comfort (in my opinion, obviously.) An obvious rejoinder would be: well, what would I suggest? That we do nothing and watch our people suffer continued attacks? ...sadly, I have no alternative to suggest, but I would still voice concern over this approach.
 
Deport them. If they're not citizens deport them. Even that isn't a guarantee anymore as the London bombers showed us. Deportation is a lot less harmful than incarceration. So you get thrown out of another country big whoop. They want to live in an Islamic state, let them, help them on their way. There's more than a few so, why don't they want to live there?

Oh that's right! They're third world shit holes.
 
I guess it depends on their definition of "radical." If they mean to deport imams who are preaching violence, it's kind of hard for me to find fault with that. I don't really care if someone's Muslim, Christian, Jew, atheist, or whatever; if they're trying to convince people to commit terrorist acts, they should get the boot.
 
This isn't as out there in most countries as it would be in the u.s. Most countries have hate speech laws where racist and bigotted speech is illegal (usually enforced only in higher profile people).

The problem is how things like this are carried out, they need to have concrete evidence or this could become a major human rights issue.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']I guess this means Jerry Falwell can't go to France.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if he's blunt enough. This is the kind of stuff that gets you in trouble in canada (not sure the specifics of french laws, though I know they have similar ones)
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/08/ahenakew050708.html
Two and a half years ago, Ahenakew told a reporter that the Holocaust was a good thing and praised Adolf Hitler for having "fried" six million Jews during the Second World War.
The 71-year-old later apologized, but was charged with inciting hatred.

Saskatchewan provincial court Judge Marty Irwin fined Ahenakew $1,000. The amount was appropriate to prevent him from becoming a "martyr" for racists and bigots, Irwin said.

While Ahenakew could have been given jail time, government prosecutors had only sought a $2,000 fine. He has a year to pay the fine
 
Seeing how this is France I doubt this will happen. At best it is just a bunch of hot air being blown to look tough on terrorism.

Still, it is a great idea and we should do that here in the US - even if they are citizens!!
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Seeing how this is France I doubt this will happen. At best it is just a bunch of hot air being blown to look tough on terrorism.

Still, it is a great idea and we should do that here in the US - even if they are citizens!![/QUOTE]

We would have to do it with all similar types of incidents as well, that means we'd be deporting plenty of christians who support violence against gays and abortion clinics as well.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Seeing how this is France I doubt this will happen. At best it is just a bunch of hot air being blown to look tough on terrorism.

Still, it is a great idea and we should do that here in the US - even if they are citizens!![/QUOTE]

um France does not even allow Muslim women to wear headscarfs so why would they not deport them

also this is a country with a large population of those who hate others, just look at who was in the run off with Chirac last presidential election
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']um France does not even allow Muslim women to wear headscarfs so why would they not deport them[/QUOTE]

To be fair, it's only in schools that they don't allow it. They don't allow any religious symbols in schools, including the headscarves and things like crucifixes and such.

And you're right; there is a lot of racism and racial tension in France because there are so many immigrants, and particularly a large Muslim immigrant population (mainly from North Africa).
 
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