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Alberto Gonzales Says Congress Should Make Internet Service Providers Retain Customer Records


By HOPE YEN

WASHINGTON Sep 19, 2006 (AP)— Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday that Congress should require Internet providers to preserve customer records, asserting that prosecutors need them to fight child pornography.

Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller have met with several Internet providers, including Time Warner Inc.'s AOL, Comcast Corp., Google Inc., Microsoft Corp. and Verizon Communications Inc.

The law enforcement officials have indicated to the companies they must retain customer records, possibly for two years. The companies have discussed strengthening their retention periods which currently run the gamut from a few days to about a year to help avoid legislation.

During those meetings, which took place earlier this summer, Justice Department officials asserted that customer records would help them investigate child pornography cases. But the FBI also said during the meetings that such records would help their terrorism investigations, said one person who attended the meetings but spoke on condition of anonymity because the meetings were intended to be private.

Testifying to a Senate panel, Gonzales acknowledged the concerns of some company executives who say legislation might be overly intrusive and encroach on customers' privacy rights. But he said the growing threat of child pornography over the Internet was too great.

"This is a problem that requires federal legislation," Gonzales told the Senate Banking Committee. "We need information. Information helps us makes cases."

He called the government's lack of access to customer data the biggest obstacle to deterring child porn.

"We have to find a way for Internet service providers to retain information for a period of time so we can go back with a legal process to get them," he said.

At Tuesday's hearing, Gonzales said he agreed with the sentiment of 49 state attorneys general who in a June letter to Congress expressed support for a federal law that would require longer retention of customer records.

"We respect civil liberties, but we have to harmonize this so we can get more information," he said.

The subject has prompted some alarm among Internet service provider executives and civil liberties groups after the Justice Department took Google to court earlier this year to force it to turn over information on customer searches. Civil liberties groups also have sued Verizon and other telephone companies, alleging that they are working with the government to provide information without search warrants on subscriber calling records.

Justice Department officials have said that any proposal would not call for the content of communications to be preserved and would keep the information in the companies' hands. The data could be obtained by the government through a subpoena or other lawful process.

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stuff like this just makes me pull out my hair. He just wants everyone with id chips impanted in them to track them. I know they claim its for child porn, but that just seems like a mirage, such as Weapons of Mass Destructions.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']"We respect civil liberties, but we have to harmonize this so we can get more information,"[/QUOTE]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Err...waitaminute. If they get their way (and they often do), then it's not funny anymore.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']So, all of you are in favor of letting all those kiddie porn whackos escape justice?[/QUOTE]


You really can't be serious if you think that's the way to solve the problem. How about we, oh, I dunno, arrest the sick fucks who distribute the stuff? We can't start going down this road. Besides, if they keep all these records, it's just tons of info for underpaid understaffed agencies to sift through and not actually catch anyone.

Bad idea morons. Yeah, I said it. Write it down, take a picture, send it to him.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']So, all of you are in favor of letting all those kiddie porn whackos escape justice?[/quote]

Spinning it to say that is just plain sick...

Sick like the kind of people that do this stuff, no I don't want them to escape justice, but this infringes on my rights as a U.S. citizen
 
[quote name='bmulligan']So, all of you are in favor of letting all those kiddie porn whackos escape justice?[/QUOTE]

Or perhaps we should have cameras attached to us and we all get a parole officer. I mean hell that'd prevent ANY kind of whacko from escaping justice.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']Spinning it to say that is just plain sick...

Sick like the kind of people that do this stuff, no I don't want them to escape justice, but this infringes on my rights as a U.S. citizen[/QUOTE]

Before you respond to this, know that I agree with you.

BUT, surfing the internet isn't a right. Semantics over freedom of speech/whatever, but just so you know...
 
It's basically a right, just adapted to the 21st century, Although we don't need to change the constitution for this

Edit: bleh, IDK but I had to say something about that comment
 
[quote name='thamaster24']Spinning it to say that is just plain sick...

Sick like the kind of people that do this stuff, no I don't want them to escape justice, but this infringes on my rights as a U.S. citizen[/QUOTE]

Right, It infringes on your right to get kiddie porn. Sorry, I forgot about that right. That's right after you get your illegal pirated music and your mail order drugs, firearms, and liquor, eh?

Sorry, like cocheese said, you don't have a right to surf the web. It's not like the freedom to peacably assemble and speak. it's like driving a car, it's a privledge to be paid for and regulated- just like driving. I guess if you stop looking at kiddie porn then you'll have nothing to worry about.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Right, It infringes on your right to get kiddie porn. Sorry, I forgot about that right. That's right after you get your illegal pirated music and your mail order drugs, firearms, and liquor, eh?

Sorry, like cocheese said, you don't have a right to surf the web. It's not like the freedom to peacably assemble and speak. it's like driving a car, it's a privledge to be paid for and regulated- just like driving. I guess if you stop looking at kiddie porn then you'll have nothing to worry about.[/quote]
fucking christ, there is something wrong in your head

You're pretty sick if you think that's what I do, and how is it related to driving a car in the least

Edit: Let me try to speak like you...

SO you think the government should be able to view records of the pages you've surfed on the web... what's stopping them to say wiretap phones and control the programs you watch on TV, is that what you want?
 
[quote name='thamaster24'] how is it related to driving a car in the least
[/QUOTE]

I think the coorelation is that you are given the priviledge to drive and surf the net. If you abuse either, you don't get that priviledge.

Anyways, I guess that's the thought.


Authorities seem to be having some success by posing as child molesters and trying to arrange meets, etc. Put it like this bmulligan: if you type in an innocent search term on Google and it leads you to a child porn site (something you had no intention to do), if Gonzales gets his way, you could go to a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for something as simple as an innocent mistake.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']So, all of you are in favor of letting all those kiddie porn whackos escape justice?[/QUOTE]

Are you serious and going against your libertarian self, or are you just taking the piss?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Are you serious and going against your libertarian self, or are you just taking the piss?[/QUOTE]

beer is proof that there is a god and that he loves us ;)
 
[quote name='bmulligan']beer is proof that there is a god and that he loves us ;)[/QUOTE]

You get a conditional pass. A full one contingent upon what kind of beer it is. Don't disappoint. ;)
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']I'd just be interested to know how much storage space it would take to save every internet user's activity for 2 years.[/QUOTE]

Hard drives are cheap nowadays. Plus I'm sure the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security aren't wanting for money for this kind of "anti-terrorist" activity. :roll:
 
The size of that kind of storage seems unimagineable to me. Especially with the rebel groups responding by using free bandwidth to bounce things back and forth just to create even more useless clutter to wade through.
 
That actually makes perfect logically sense if something like this went thru... Have tons of rebel groups in colleges with fiber optic connections sending 50 gig files of a corrupted .txt file back and forth...
 
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