GOP begining to bail on Iraq policy

[quote name='Scrubking']Murdering babies is hardly a religious issue. Women don't have the right to kill their children because they have a headache. And by their I mean BOTH the father and mother's cause that baby doesn't solely belong to the woman and she sure as hell doesn't have the right to do whatever the hell she wants with it simply because she carries it around. [/QUOTE]

Because it is her womb, she does have the right to decide what to do with it. Both genders should be more careful with birth control, but after pregnancy, the woman has the right to do whatever she wants within the law.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']No I am complaining because your argument is one of convience. Don't like Freedom Fry Guy before the war, now he is your poster child.[/QUOTE]

He's my poster child? I didn't know that.

Though you hated kerry, but we'd never hear the end of it if he came out and said he fully supported bush in all he's done in Iraq. You want us to base our opinion on who says them, not what they are. If someone wants to pull the troops out, and a former opponent changes their mind to agree, then of course they're going to point it out.

Murdering babies is hardly a religious issue. Women don't have the right to kill their children because they have a headache. And by their I mean BOTH the father and mother's cause that baby doesn't solely belong to the woman and she sure as hell doesn't have the right to do whatever the hell she wants with it simply because she carries it around.
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Wait, so I should have the right to force my wife/girlfriend to do what I want her to do? If I could carry the baby that's one thing, but men can't. The guy can just sit around the house all day and do absolutely nothing, but according to you he still can decide what the woman can do with what is entirely her responsibility.
 
Let's not turn this into yet ANOTHER abortion discussion. But, it certainly is a religious view that killing something that is not yet born is murder - something that has the potential to become a human.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']And by their I mean BOTH the father and mother's cause that baby doesn't solely belong to the woman and she sure as hell doesn't have the right to do whatever the hell she wants with it simply because she carries it around.
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True, the man and woman together should have the right to decide what to do with it.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']Because it is her womb, she does have the right to decide what to do with it. Both genders should be more careful with birth control, but after pregnancy, the woman has the right to do whatever she wants within the law.[/QUOTE]
Good lord, just hand him the arguement on a silver platter, why don't you?

Of COURSE a woman has the right to do whatever she wants within the law - if she didn't, then it wouldn't be within the law. The law is, pretty much by definition, the line between when you have a right to do and what you don't. That doesn't automatically mean the law is correct, though, simply that as long as it is the law, one has the right to act within it.
 
[quote name='Drocket']Good lord, just hand him the arguement on a silver platter, why don't you?

Of COURSE a woman has the right to do whatever she wants within the law - if she didn't, then it wouldn't be within the law. The law is, pretty much by definition, the line between when you have a right to do and what you don't. That doesn't automatically mean the law is correct, though, simply that as long as it is the law, one has the right to act within it.[/QUOTE]

What planet are you arguing on?

Of COURSE I meant the law as it currently stands, not where the fundies would like to roll it back to.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']What planet are you arguing on?

Of COURSE I meant the law as it currently stands, not where the fundies would like to roll it back to.[/QUOTE]

His argument (semi-coherent though it was) was that abortion is fundamentally wrong. You're argument was 'Hey, its the law, what are you going to do about it?' Lets just say that your side of the discussion wasn't terribly convincing.
 
[quote name='Drocket']His argument (semi-coherent though it was) was that abortion is fundamentally wrong. You're argument was 'Hey, its the law, what are you going to do about it?' Lets just say that your side of the discussion wasn't terribly convincing.[/QUOTE]

No, my argument was I agree with the law as it stands and don't want to see reporductive rights rolled back to pre-Roe vs. Wade.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Murdering babies is hardly a religious issue. Women don't have the right to kill their children because they have a headache. And by their I mean BOTH the father and mother's cause that baby doesn't solely belong to the woman and she sure as hell doesn't have the right to do whatever the hell she wants with it simply because she carries it around.

Abortion is nothing more than an extreme form of contraception. First it was condoms, then pills and when those failed women decided to regress into savages so they should kill their babies cause it didn't fit their lifestyle at the time, using women's lib as the justification for their murderous actions.

What a great form of liberation: you can now kill freely at will. When will men's lib come into play so I can go around killing people I don't like and get away with it??

Rebrobate minds.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. And to me this isin't even a religious issue--I would still think that abortions are murder no matter if I was a Catholic or not.

Also Cheapy, you can believe what you want. But in fact we progressed woman's rights in Iraq. Hmmm, let's see.

During Saddam Era:

No right to vote
Wife can get hit in public
No right to education

After Saddam:

Right to vote
Wife is protected and can not get abused legally
Woman can go to school

But I guess your statement here: "Bush wants to decrease women's rights, not the other way around." just continues with your anti-republican bias. You can't even aknowledge that woman have more rights now in Iraq. That is simply sad, democrats don't give a shit about rights anymore; they only focus on abortions and gays.
 
[quote name='dmpolska'] democrats don't give a shit about rights anymore; they only focus on abortions and gays.[/QUOTE] Yeah, can you believe they even having a special event this year, GAYBORTION-FEST 2005?!?!?!
I heard its going to be off the hook.

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No, its how you derided him when he didn't support your position.

So we ridculed him when he was wrong, now that he has seen the light we like him...
And the problem is what exactly?
 
[quote name='dmpolska']Agreed. And to me this isin't even a religious issue--I would still think that abortions are murder no matter if I was a Catholic or not.

Also Cheapy, you can believe what you want. But in fact we progressed woman's rights in Iraq. Hmmm, let's see.

During Saddam Era:

No right to vote
Wife can get hit in public
No right to education

After Saddam:

Right to vote
Wife is protected and can not get abused legally
Woman can go to school

But I guess your statement here: "Bush wants to decrease women's rights, not the other way around." just continues with your anti-republican bias. You can't even aknowledge that woman have more rights now in Iraq. That is simply sad, democrats don't give a shit about rights anymore; they only focus on abortions and gays.[/QUOTE]

Umm..... people just throw out whatever they want and assume saddam must have done it cause he's bad. Women were in government, parliament, could vote, and could get an education just like men. Under sanctions things worsened (such as segregated schools), but still were superior to most of the middle east. Their votes and positions in parliament were just as worthless to those of the men. Actually their participation in government has dropped since after saddam, and legally men and women were considered equal under the law under saddam.

Though obviously all people have more rights now, and the condition of women may improve (depends if conservatives get control or not). But I believe cheapy was referring to he wants to scale back womens rights in this country, there's a middle ground Bush exists in. Less rights than they have in the u.s., more than they have in the middle east.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Yeah, can you believe they even having a special event this year, GAYBORTION-FEST 2005?!?!?!
I heard its going to be off the hook.

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Sick, but funny :lol:
 
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