[quote name='Magus8472']Since the topic is pretty thoroughly derailed...
Perhaps I should rephrase; I understand that you're attempting to argue from a moral absolutist position. I'm just clarifying that anyone willing to accept the "compromise" you're proffering is being logically inconsistent and morally disingenuous. There's just no way to reason from "unborn babies have a right to life, therefore abortion is murder" to something that would allow you to sanction abortion "for two specific reasons." Put bluntly, it IS hypocritical to disagree with "[abortion] at all" and then suddenly be okay with it when you can't bring the hammer down on the mother's promiscuity to justify your indignation (i.e. in a rape case). I don't understand you to do that, and insofar as that's the case, fair enough. But since your compromise essentially hinges on people accepting positions that shouldn't make any logical sense to them, it's not going to work.
If this were ever accepted as a Constitutional principle abortions (except maybe in the case of extreme medical necessity) would be inherently criminal and any law allowing them to occur would be hilariously unconstitutional.
As such, quit with the whole "women who choose to get pregnant need to bear the responsibility" crap. Choice has nothing to do with it; it's a smokescreen, and a crass one at that. If you really believe that life begins at conception, you shouldn't give a flying
about which choices a woman makes that result in her pregnancy, since an unborn baby is still a life regardless of how it's conceived.[/QUOTE]
You are saying everyones position has to be all or nothing. That is simply not true. People morally choose the lesser of two evils all the time, it does not make them hypocrites, it means they are taking the choice with the least amount conflict available to them. It is called compromising, if everyone held out for exactly what they wanted all at once, nothing would get done. In this country small incremental changes are usually the best way to pass something on that level.
I don't even know where to begin with "choice has nothing to do with pregnancy". If men and women would abstain from sex, or even have sex casually but take responsibility of the outcome of sex there wouildn't be any need for abortion. It is reasonable to think that you may get pregnant during sex. Killing the unborn baby is a product of your irresponsibility, since you are unwilling to accept the consequences and the very real possible outcome of sex.
