GS/EB policies - Clearing some misconceptions

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I am starting this thread because there seem to be some misconceptions about what really goes on at EB/GS. I'm not trying to bash the company in any way, but there are things people should know.
As for me, I worked as a manager at a GS in the Louisville/Southern Indiana area. I was hired in as an assistant manager. I was working at a big company based in Louisville, making good money ($35,000 a year), but I quit to go back to school and get my silly "dream job" at a video game store.
Here are some common misconceptions that I see on these boards:

1.) You can get cash for your trades. You will get 20% less than credit and have to be 18. This is, as you can imagine, not a great idea.
2.) The employees aren't often aware of special offers/promotions because regular employees (Game Advisors, as they are known) are allowed only 1 day per week, two in a pinch. Its tough for them to keep up when they simply aren't there. Plus the systems at the stores are archaic. For instance, for 3 for $10 DVDs the cashier has to deduct a small amount from each individual item to make things even out. It can be hard. I'm a journalist and college grad and had a hard time sometimes, I felt bad for the high school kids getting yelled at.
3.) The Back Room - people think there are all sorts of things back there, like TVs and "testing stations" for systems and games. In our district (21 stores), not a single one had any sort of capability or bothered with testing. We were told to tell people they were tested, but it's not true. People had 30 days to return the systems, which we took back pretty easily, but be aware that nothing gets tested except in cases where the customer just looks...shady or the system is beat to hell or reeks of smoke or something.
4.) GS/EB will take 1,000 used Cubes simply because they won't be sold at that store. The stores in the district were ranked according to how much used crap they took. Counts are done daily and loaded into a central database. This is called "Title on Hand" reports. So what happens is that the systems are moved to other stores, to corporate for web sales, etc. A single store will take what it can because it helps the rankings and the store won't get stuck with the surplus because the crap will get moved around. This is done weekly.
5.) Refurbishing fees are $2 for games and $8-30 for systems (PSP is most expensive). GS wants these because they pay nothing for them and then refurb them and sell them for whatever the going price is. They love broken shit because they can fix it cheap with their relationships with the manufacturers.
6.) I am sure you guys always check the used discs you buy, but our stores would knowingly put broken ones for sale, assuming the person would come back and buy more used crap - this raises the store's "used sales" ranking in the district. It's all about store traffic at EB/GS. Any reason they can get you to come is a good reason, even if it's to take back broken crap they sold you.
7.) Preorders are pushed for multiple reasons. Firstly, this ensures they can order the proper amount and second, to make sure you come back and buy more. Additionally, these stores will tell you that they won't have extra copies. A story: when Dead Rising came out, we were told to tell walk-ups that we would sell them the game, but to preorder because we didn't have any for walk-ups and we were doing them a favor. In truth, my store would order 30-50 extra copies BEYOND preorders, but then guilt people into preordering next time. It's a mind game. We were also told to tell people that Wal-Mart, etc. wouldn't have copies for two more days, when they were on sale BEFORE we had them. This is one reason I left.
8.) Salesmanship - you get hassled at these stores not because employees get a cut of sales, but because it's part of the job. Game Advisors are expected to be 2/1 on each day worked (2 preorders, 1 mag subscription). Managers need to go 2/2 or 4/2 each day worked. Basically, people's jobs are on the line. I saw several get canned for this (great workers usually who just had bad luck/didn't want to bother people). Your stock in the company is directly influenced by this. Promotions depend on good numbers. I saw a store manager get canned because he was not hitting his sales goals.

There are plenty more, but that's it for now. Ask if you are curious about anything else. Hope this helps!
 
From my experience, the Southern Indiana stores didn't do huge money in sales, so the GA's got very few hours. It was virtually impossible for them to keep up with the sales. Basically, if the manager forgot to let them know about all the various promotions, the GA simply had no way of finding out what sales were going on and how to properly ring them up. Also, if a store is really busy, it's very easy to forget to ring up the promo during the transaction -- nothing is automated.

A couple of the things posted above aren't entirely true. There are a good number of stores that will not knowingly sell a disc with a lot of scratches on it. Keeping the customer happy is important. Stores don't want a customer to have to repeatedly return defective items, which builds a negative image for the company. Also, stores really don't know how many of a new release they will recieve at launch. It used to be that they would get their reserves plus about the same number in extras. Lately, the company has been cutting back and only shipping a few extras at launch.

Most empolyees, and stores for that matter, won't try to screw you. They want to keep you coming to their store rather than going to GameCrazy or Best Buy, etc. Most of the employees are making around minimum wage and get hassled a lot by their superiors and customers, so feel free to give them a break. The nicer you are to them, the more likely they are to make sure that they give you the best looking disc in the drawer.
 
[quote name='ctugirl']From my experience, the Southern Indiana stores didn't do huge money in sales, so the GA's got very few hours. It was virtually impossible for them to keep up with the sales. Basically, if the manager forgot to let them know about all the various promotions, the GA simply had no way of finding out what sales were going on and how to properly ring them up. Also, if a store is really busy, it's very easy to forget to ring up the promo during the transaction -- nothing is automated.

A couple of the things posted above aren't entirely true. There are a good number of stores that will not knowingly sell a disc with a lot of scratches on it. Keeping the customer happy is important. Stores don't want a customer to have to repeatedly return defective items, which builds a negative image for the company. Also, stores really don't know how many of a new release they will recieve at launch. It used to be that they would get their reserves plus about the same number in extras. Lately, the company has been cutting back and only shipping a few extras at launch.

Most empolyees, and stores for that matter, won't try to screw you. They want to keep you coming to their store rather than going to GameCrazy or Best Buy, etc. Most of the employees are making around minimum wage and get hassled a lot by their superiors and customers, so feel free to give them a break. The nicer you are to them, the more likely they are to make sure that they give you the best looking disc in the drawer.[/quote]

I wasn't saying that this is true for every store in the system. Just the ones around here. I think the disc you get is dependent on how busy it is at the time and how well they know the person. My point when i worked there was that they should be more choosy about what they take. All the stuff I posted was from the manager. It all depends on the district manager what sort of stuff goes on at the stores I would assume.
As far as how many releases go to a store...our store always got a ton of everything. My point was that the "shortages" were mostly fictional. I just don't want anyone to get taken in.
All of this said, I still shop at GS. It's not an evil company, but there are some practices that need to be looked at more closely.
 
[quote name='MrCress21']I am starting this thread because there seem to be some misconceptions about what really goes on at EB/GS. I'm not trying to bash the company in any way, but there are things people should know.
As for me, I worked as a manager at a GS in the Louisville/Southern Indiana area. I was hired in as an assistant manager. I was working at a big company based in Louisville, making good money ($35,000 a year), but I quit to go back to school and get my silly "dream job" at a video game store.
Here are some common misconceptions that I see on these boards:

1.) You can get cash for your trades. You will get 20% less than credit and have to be 18. This is, as you can imagine, not a great idea.
2.) The employees aren't often aware of special offers/promotions because regular employees (Game Advisors, as they are known) are allowed only 1 day per week, two in a pinch. Its tough for them to keep up when they simply aren't there. Plus the systems at the stores are archaic. For instance, for 3 for $10 DVDs the cashier has to deduct a small amount from each individual item to make things even out. It can be hard. I'm a journalist and college grad and had a hard time sometimes, I felt bad for the high school kids getting yelled at.
3.) The Back Room - people think there are all sorts of things back there, like TVs and "testing stations" for systems and games. In our district (21 stores), not a single one had any sort of capability or bothered with testing. We were told to tell people they were tested, but it's not true. People had 30 days to return the systems, which we took back pretty easily, but be aware that nothing gets tested except in cases where the customer just looks...shady or the system is beat to hell or reeks of smoke or something.
4.) GS/EB will take 1,000 used Cubes simply because they won't be sold at that store. The stores in the district were ranked according to how much used crap they took. Counts are done daily and loaded into a central database. This is called "Title on Hand" reports. So what happens is that the systems are moved to other stores, to corporate for web sales, etc. A single store will take what it can because it helps the rankings and the store won't get stuck with the surplus because the crap will get moved around. This is done weekly.
5.) Refurbishing fees are $2 for games and $8-30 for systems (PSP is most expensive). GS wants these because they pay nothing for them and then refurb them and sell them for whatever the going price is. They love broken shit because they can fix it cheap with their relationships with the manufacturers.
6.) I am sure you guys always check the used discs you buy, but our stores would knowingly put broken ones for sale, assuming the person would come back and buy more used crap - this raises the store's "used sales" ranking in the district. It's all about store traffic at EB/GS. Any reason they can get you to come is a good reason, even if it's to take back broken crap they sold you.
7.) Preorders are pushed for multiple reasons. Firstly, this ensures they can order the proper amount and second, to make sure you come back and buy more. Additionally, these stores will tell you that they won't have extra copies. A story: when Dead Rising came out, we were told to tell walk-ups that we would sell them the game, but to preorder because we didn't have any for walk-ups and we were doing them a favor. In truth, my store would order 30-50 extra copies BEYOND preorders, but then guilt people into preordering next time. It's a mind game. We were also told to tell people that Wal-Mart, etc. wouldn't have copies for two more days, when they were on sale BEFORE we had them. This is one reason I left.
8.) Salesmanship - you get hassled at these stores not because employees get a cut of sales, but because it's part of the job. Game Advisors are expected to be 2/1 on each day worked (2 preorders, 1 mag subscription). Managers need to go 2/2 or 4/2 each day worked. Basically, people's jobs are on the line. I saw several get canned for this (great workers usually who just had bad luck/didn't want to bother people). Your stock in the company is directly influenced by this. Promotions depend on good numbers. I saw a store manager get canned because he was not hitting his sales goals.

There are plenty more, but that's it for now. Ask if you are curious about anything else. Hope this helps![/quote]
1. True, which is the reason that anyone intelligent dumps their stuff on ebay if they need some money.

2. Somewhat true. We have GA's at my store that are more than competent enough to know that there are promos going on. True with the DVDs getting marked down, although its all in selecting the ones that are on the screen and checking the subtotal and marking them down the amount to get them to the specified deal

3. No testing stations in the back room is true. All stores that I've ever been to have their place to test systems in the front of the store. Shows the customer WHY there may be a refurbishing fee. Makes me think that your store was a rare one that was shady from the get go.

4. Common knowledge around here that stores are ranked in the how much used stuff they take in. Its what the business thrives on. As far as the title on hands... that just makes sure that there is a case for everything out on the floor. For every gut behind the counter, there is a different case out there.

5. Refurbishing fees can be a pain, but what are you to do when something doesn't work or it doesn't appear to be in a condition that it will work. You send it into the warehouse to get resurfaced or for consoles, refurbished. They aren't fixing them for free, they need to get the parts like the rest of us who fix broken consoles. Factor in shipping and they might make a few bucks out of the refurbishing. The real money is made when the system is sold.

6. Again, the store you worked at is shady. Why not sell something to someone that works and have them come back happy to buy from you again because it did work. Not the opposite, because it didn't work and just want a replacement (although from the sounds of it, you'd probably give them another broken copy of the game)... which then leaves them to return the game and that sale made days ago becomes a negative for the current day.

7. Preorders can be hit and miss really. I've been in situations where if there wasn't a preorder, the game wouldn't be in store the day after the ship date... so if someone came in, they would have to come back later because they didn't have it preordered and it wasn't overnighted. As far as the extra copies of games go, they try to make it so there are some extra copies. But lets face it, if you are in a busy area (malls especially at times), you can sell out quick. Many of the customers that reserved their game can come in later (after we sold out what we had for walk-ins and turned away several others) and purchase their game knowing it would be there.

8. Wow, you might want to check the boards sometime. There are so many complaints on here about this stuff, mentioning it will just bring up the same argument every time. Yes, employees are tracked on their performance for this. Will they get canned if they don't perform all the time? No, but it doesn't look good for their review that they get. There is so much to say about this, but it is another one of the things that GS uses to make their money. I'll just leave it at that.


Now, I'm not too sure how long you worked in this location, but if that is all of the practices that you had at the store, they really need to take a look at the store. I find it hard to believe these things entirely are true, but I've heard of some of the weird things that go on elsewhere.
 
[quote name='MrCress21']1.) You can get cash for your trades. You will get 20% less than credit and have to be 18. This is, as you can imagine, not a great idea. [/quote] You have to be 18 because that's the earliest age you can enter a legally binding contract. I remember back 10 years ago working EB where a kid would trade in games then his mother would come back 15 minutes later all wanting to bite someone's head off. "Do you know how much I paid for those games? I want you to give them back! This is BS! I'm going to sue!..blah..blah.blah"

Needless to say, there were a lot of post-void transactions those days until corporate office finally got a clue and started requiring ID or parents to come and sign for thier kid.
 
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[quote name='MrCress21']I am starting this thread because there seem to be some misconceptions about what really goes on at EB/GS. I'm not trying to bash the company in any way, but there are things people should know.
As for me, I worked as a manager at a GS in the Louisville/Southern Indiana area. I was hired in as an assistant manager. I was working at a big company based in Louisville, making good money ($35,000 a year), but I quit to go back to school and get my silly "dream job" at a video game store.
Here are some common misconceptions that I see on these boards:

1.) You can get cash for your trades. You will get 20% less than credit and have to be 18. This is, as you can imagine, not a great idea.
2.) The employees aren't often aware of special offers/promotions because regular employees (Game Advisors, as they are known) are allowed only 1 day per week, two in a pinch. Its tough for them to keep up when they simply aren't there. Plus the systems at the stores are archaic. For instance, for 3 for $10 DVDs the cashier has to deduct a small amount from each individual item to make things even out. It can be hard. I'm a journalist and college grad and had a hard time sometimes, I felt bad for the high school kids getting yelled at.
3.) The Back Room - people think there are all sorts of things back there, like TVs and "testing stations" for systems and games. In our district (21 stores), not a single one had any sort of capability or bothered with testing. We were told to tell people they were tested, but it's not true. People had 30 days to return the systems, which we took back pretty easily, but be aware that nothing gets tested except in cases where the customer just looks...shady or the system is beat to hell or reeks of smoke or something.
4.) GS/EB will take 1,000 used Cubes simply because they won't be sold at that store. The stores in the district were ranked according to how much used crap they took. Counts are done daily and loaded into a central database. This is called "Title on Hand" reports. So what happens is that the systems are moved to other stores, to corporate for web sales, etc. A single store will take what it can because it helps the rankings and the store won't get stuck with the surplus because the crap will get moved around. This is done weekly.
5.) Refurbishing fees are $2 for games and $8-30 for systems (PSP is most expensive). GS wants these because they pay nothing for them and then refurb them and sell them for whatever the going price is. They love broken shit because they can fix it cheap with their relationships with the manufacturers.
6.) I am sure you guys always check the used discs you buy, but our stores would knowingly put broken ones for sale, assuming the person would come back and buy more used crap - this raises the store's "used sales" ranking in the district. It's all about store traffic at EB/GS. Any reason they can get you to come is a good reason, even if it's to take back broken crap they sold you.
7.) Preorders are pushed for multiple reasons. Firstly, this ensures they can order the proper amount and second, to make sure you come back and buy more. Additionally, these stores will tell you that they won't have extra copies. A story: when Dead Rising came out, we were told to tell walk-ups that we would sell them the game, but to preorder because we didn't have any for walk-ups and we were doing them a favor. In truth, my store would order 30-50 extra copies BEYOND preorders, but then guilt people into preordering next time. It's a mind game. We were also told to tell people that Wal-Mart, etc. wouldn't have copies for two more days, when they were on sale BEFORE we had them. This is one reason I left.
8.) Salesmanship - you get hassled at these stores not because employees get a cut of sales, but because it's part of the job. Game Advisors are expected to be 2/1 on each day worked (2 preorders, 1 mag subscription). Managers need to go 2/2 or 4/2 each day worked. Basically, people's jobs are on the line. I saw several get canned for this (great workers usually who just had bad luck/didn't want to bother people). Your stock in the company is directly influenced by this. Promotions depend on good numbers. I saw a store manager get canned because he was not hitting his sales goals.

There are plenty more, but that's it for now. Ask if you are curious about anything else. Hope this helps![/QUOTE]
Thanks for summarizing why I don't shop at EB/GS anymore!
 
Some of these problems are true for the store i go to, some are not, they do not intentionally give you broken games, and they return anything you want to return to them without a problem whatsoever, if it doesnt work they will take it back no questions asked (you can also return it to any ebgames or gamestop store). The reason you get broken games is because the kid that traded them in intentionally traded in a broken game and since they dont test every game, thats why you got it, they obviously cant test every game because that would be very time consuming, but as long as they have a return policy on those used games then its fine.

Inventories ARE a problem, for most games that i buy, if you dont preorder you won't get the game because the store wont get any copies, our ebgames probably barely stays in business, its a standalone store in a poor area. Considering that most of the games i order are niche titles if i do not preorder them then i do not get them. It can happen with a popular title too, like nintendogs where most ebgames did not even get enough copies to cover their preorders. I doubt preordering is a scam, you can get your money back anytime you want as well, its not like your forced into buying the game even if you put 5$ down on it, its more of a system meant to let gamers put a hold on the titles they really want so they are guaranteed to get them.
 
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