Gun-Rights Advocate Shot to Death by Husband, Caught on Webcam

Always terrible when someone dies.

But I'm a firm believer that having handguns around is more likely to lead to something like this or an accident than every saving one's life or protecting their family. Most of the time they'll be used for neither and just gather dust or be used at the shooting range etc. of course.

People are free to have them, I support gun rights--at least in the home (I'm mixed in public). But I'd never have one in my house in any circumstances.
 
Always terrible when someone dies.

But I'm a firm believer that having handguns around is more likely to lead to something like this or an accident than every saving one's life or protecting their family. Most of the time they'll be used for neither and just gather dust or be used at the shooting range etc. of course.

People are free to have them, I support gun rights--at least in the home (I'm mixed in public). But I'd never have one in my house in any circumstances.
 
Those guns that sit around and "collect dust" in peoples homes are also increasing in value. One of the only things you can buy that is guaranteed to increase in value, even if it's heavily used.

So let's not spin it that guns are worthless unless you can prove they are being used for 'good'.

Most people I know that buy guns do so, at least partially, for investment reasons.
 
Fair enough. Most people I know buy them for hunting and sport shooting. Very few for protection or investment. And the people that collect them that I know would never sell them unless as an absolute last resort in financial emergency as it's a huge hobby for them.

But if people want to invest in guns, gold etc., they can knock themselves out. We'll see who has more liquid assets at retirement age. Those folks, or those of us with 401Ks and other traditional retirement portfolios.
 
A lot of those people collecting guns are also people that are highly sceptical there will be such a thing as 401ks or retirement portfolios at their retirement age. ;)

The value of currency is almost inverse to the value of guns. The worse things get, the more guns increase in value, trailing only food.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']A lot of those people collecting guns are also people that are highly sceptical there will be such a thing as 401ks or retirement portfolios at their retirement age. ;)

The value of currency is almost inverse to the value of guns. The worse things get, the more guns increase in value, trailing only food.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm just saying I'll take my approach over the tin foil hat conspiracy idiots.

Now's a great time to be starting investing...buy cheap, sell high and all. Missed the melt down from being in grad school, get the benefit of investing from the bottom point through the recovery.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, I'm just saying I'll take my approach over the tin foil hat conspiracy idiots. [/QUOTE]
There are many better things to invest in that the stock market. The stock market is basically the rich man's casino.
Now's a great time to be starting investing...buy cheap, sell high and all. Missed the melt down from being in grad school, get the benefit of investing from the bottom point through the recovery.
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Yeah, and who knows? Maybe ten years from now you'll be lucky and the Dow will be back at 10,000 again.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Yeah, and who knows? Maybe ten years from now you'll be lucky and the Dow will be back at 10,000 again.[/QUOTE]

It crossed 10,000 yesterday! The future is here!!!!
 
[quote name='javeryh']It crossed 10,000 yesterday! The future is here!!!![/QUOTE]
And 10 years ago it was at 10,000. Now it is at 10,000. What I meant was, I wonder if people will be celebrating that it hit 10,000 again in 10 more years.
 
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It's delicious.
 
Guns as an investment strategy is fueled by the uninformed paranoia of the right wing, that the great liberal "gun grab" is coming.

Enron went high and stayed high based on much the same fraudulent premise, thrust.

Seriously, we can't even have a conversation about gun control because we're that easily distracted as a collective? For shame, folks. For shame.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Guns as an investment strategy is fueled by the uninformed paranoia of the right wing, that the great liberal "gun grab" is coming.

Enron went high and stayed high based on much the same fraudulent premise, thrust.

Seriously, we can't even have a conversation about gun control because we're that easily distracted as a collective? For shame, folks. For shame.[/QUOTE]

I fail to see how it's "uninformed paranoia" if escalating gun values have held true since pretty much the beginning of this country. You can make the same argument about the stock market - only that "uninformed paranoia" is less dependable as an investment.

The great liberal gun grab has, historically, happened before. So why is it paranoia to think it will again?

Name a time in the country's history when guns went DOWN in price/worth.

Your Enron comparison is unfounded - Enron popped, guns can't and won't.
As soon as you can prove that gun restrictions will permanently loosen in the future, their value will continue to skyrocket, paranoia or not.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Enron popped, guns can't and won't.[/QUOTE]

that's absurd.

EDIT: thanks for continuing to steer the ship away from its destination.
 
If he had no gun, and intended to kill her (why would he point a gun at her and shoot her if he didn't intend to kill her) he would have used a knife, or beat her to death.
 
That's a valid point. Especially when you consider that the risks of accidental fatalities via stabbings and beatings are about the same as with firearms.
 
Sometimes my fists just go off accidentally I can't help it! heh heh :p

Remember the story about the little kid at the knife show? The one who lost control of the knife and stabbed himself over and over? Oh, wait..
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']There are many better things to invest in that the stock market. The stock market is basically the rich man's casino.[/QUOTE]
Like what?
 
I think a news outlet without a slant would have reported the headline as "Man/Parole officer shoots wife, murder caught on webcam" with "wife was gun-rights advocate" as the sub-title, or something along those lines. Her being a gun-rights advocate had no bearing on her death, and she wasn't carrying her gun when she was shot and killed - news should be about facts, not sensationalism. Leave it to clowns like Hannity, O'Reilly, or Olbermann to put spin on it and keep that garbage out of the news.

I wouldn't buy guns as a nest egg for future investment. Not only is it not better than inflation-protective metals, it makes you look like a nut when you advocate stocking up on guns as an investment strategy. If civil unrest sweeps across the country and stuff goes crazy? Not the worst idea in the world. Want to have a wall of guns as collectible goods (hey, we're all gamers here, we can understand this one)? Fine. An investment strategy? No.

On a general level, I'm for guns and people carrying guns (preferably with a permit and a good amount of training). On a personal level, I don't recommend people take guns with them in public. Leave public protection to the police, especially in crowded cities. We don't need untrained nonprofessionals performing vigilante justice everywhere. Very similar argument for marijuana use - I'm fine with people using it, just use some sense in doing so.
 
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[quote name='itachiitachi']Like what?[/QUOTE]

1. Nonperishable food.
2. Debt reduction.
3. Arable land.
4. Renewable energy.
5. Mechanical skills such how to repair a car or a water filter.
 
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I wouldn't buy guns as a nest egg for future investment. Not only is it not better than inflation-protective metals, it makes you look like a nut when you advocate stocking up on guns as an investment strategy. If civil unrest sweeps across the country and stuff goes crazy? Not the worst idea in the world. Want to have a wall of guns as collectible goods (hey, we're all gamers here, we can understand this one)? Fine. An investment strategy? No.
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I'd never recommend buying guns as an investment strategy. Buying metals is better (probably the best) investment strategy. But what kind of fun can you have with a bar of platinum?

There are just very few things one can buy that have several uses, can be a lot of fun to use, AND they are guaranteed to go up in value. In fact, I can't think of anything else you can buy that meet that criteria. That was my only point.

But if you are just trying to invest for future money, you can spend your worthless paper on other "better" options than guns, the ROI for guns isn't high enough over time, even though it does go up.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']I think a news outlet without a slant would have reported the headline as "Man/Parole officer shoots wife, murder caught on webcam" with "wife was gun-rights advocate" as the sub-title, or something along those lines. Her being a gun-rights advocate had no bearing on her death, and she wasn't carrying her gun when she was shot and killed - news should be about facts, not sensationalism. Leave it to clowns like Hannity, O'Reilly, or Olbermann to put spin on it and keep that garbage out of the news.
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']1. Nonperishable food.
2. Debt reduction.
3. Arable land.
4. Renewable energy.
5. Mechanical skills such how to repair a car or a water filter.[/QUOTE]
Other than arable land all of those are very situational.
And what do you mean by renewable energy? I'm guessing you are not referring to investing a a company to create more efficient solar,wind ect... So the only thing I can think of is buying solar panels ect... and from what I've read it takes 25-30 years for those to recoup the initial investment and even then you are still not getting a good rate of return.

[quote name='HowStern']
Remember the story about the little kid at the knife show? The one who lost control of the knife and stabbed himself over and over? Oh, wait..[/QUOTE]
Ya becuase that is such a common occurrence and not a freak accident cuased by utter stupidity.
[quote name='mykevermin']That's a valid point. Especially when you consider that the risks of accidental fatalities via stabbings and beatings are about the same as with firearms.[/QUOTE]
That's a valid point especially when you consider that most gun related accidental deaths are caused by young males doing stupid things with guns, and we all know young males only do stupid things with guns.
 
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Ya becuase that is such a common occurrence and not a freak accident cuased by utter stupidity.
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Ok, I know sarcasm is hard to read online. But, REALLY?? You really didn't get that? It was a kid who shot himself at a gunshow. My point was that something like that would never happen at a knife show, no kid would lose control of a knie and repeatedly stab himself (you REALLY didn't get that? Jesus, I think I'm done with the VS forum for a while..) because someone had earlier compared gun accidents to stabbings and beatings. Which is why i had the other joke of "sometimes my fists just go off." Because, ya know, fatal beatings don't just happen accidentally................
 
[quote name='HowStern']Ok, I know sarcasm is hard to read online. But, REALLY?? You really didn't get that? It was a kid who shot himself at a gunshow. My point was that something like that would never happen at a knife show, no kid would lose control of a knie and repeatedly stab himself (you REALLY didn't get that? Jesus, I think I'm done with the VS forum for a while..) because someone had earlier compared gun accidents to stabbings and beatings. Which is why i had the other joke of "sometimes my fists just go off." [/QUOTE]
I don't see where anyone compared gun accidents to stabbing/ beating, all I saw was someone saying that if you want to kill some one not having a gun isn't going to stop you. And REALLY you didn't get that, doing stupid things doesn't require guns, letting an 8 year old shoot an uzi, really? Why not let them drive race cars, or play in fighter jets.
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Because, ya know, fatal beatings don't just happen accidentally................[/QUOTE]
Actually they do in boxing and other such sports.

[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Precious metals, Swiss and Canadian treasuries, foreign currencies including, euros, yens, yuans, etc.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the treasuries, but every thing else you mentioned only holds true if those foreign economies are doing better than ours than in which case it would make more sense to be investing in their stock markets rather than their money.
As for precious metals historically over the long term they haven't guaranteed to even keep up with inflation. while historically the stock market over the long as at worse kept up with inflation.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Other than arable land all of those are very situational.
And what do you mean by renewable energy? I'm guessing you are not referring to investing a a company to create more efficient solar,wind ect... So the only thing I can think of is buying solar panels ect... and from what I've read it takes 25-30 years for those to recoup the initial investment and even then you are still not getting a good rate of return.[/QUOTE]

Yes and no.

In the current environment, solar panels take 25-30 years to pay for themselves.

However, they last for 80 years.

Of course, arable land can be used to place a much longer pole and a larger, more efficient wind turbine to be erected than listed below in the middle of crops. So, a payback of 10 years and no dependency on sunlight.

http://www.alternative-heating-info.com/windpower_payback.html

The big thing to look at is where electricity prices are going in the future.

If society was moving towards a Lunar Solar Power system capable of delivering electricity at < 5 cents per kWh, pursuing renewable energy would be pointless.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']I don't see where anyone compared gun accidents to stabbing/ beating, all I saw was someone saying that if you want to kill some one not having a gun isn't going to stop you. And REALLY you didn't get that, doing stupid things doesn't require guns, letting an 8 year old shoot an uzi, really? Why not let them drive race cars, or play in fighter jets. [/quote]

This is not a certainty. The ease of killing with a gun surely contributes not only to accidental deaths but murders as well. Someone capable of pulling their finger back an inch to kill someone may not have it in them to repeatedly stab them or beat them to death.

Actually they do in boxing and other such sports.
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Uhh, the beatings boxers give each other aren't accidental. They are trained to, and paid to fight each other knowing death is a possibility.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']I don't see where anyone compared gun accidents to stabbing/ beating, all I saw was someone saying that if you want to kill some one not having a gun isn't going to stop you. And REALLY you didn't get that, doing stupid things doesn't require guns, letting an 8 year old shoot an uzi, really? Why not let them drive race cars, or play in fighter jets.[/QUOTE]

I compared them sarcastically.

Accidental firearms-related fatalities are a reality. Accidentally being bludgeoned to death is not a reality, and accidental laceration-related fatalities are a rarity.

So the "if they're going to murder they're going to murder so why get rid of guns" argument falls apart when one considers the differential indirect effects of each type of weapon. A murder is a murder is a murder, but they come packaged with differential side effects. You seem to be unwilling to recognize that.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I compared them sarcastically.

Accidental firearms-related fatalities are a reality. Accidentally being bludgeoned to death is not a reality, and accidental laceration-related fatalities are a rarity.

So the "if they're going to murder they're going to murder so why get rid of guns" argument falls apart when one considers the differential indirect effects of each type of weapon. A murder is a murder is a murder, but they come packaged with differential side effects. You seem to be unwilling to recognize that.[/QUOTE]

Whoops. Stabbed you in the abdomen... five times.

Hey. It can happen.

No it can't.

Either way. Here is how I see it. The woman took the gun out for attention. No other reason at all. This shows me that she has a number of issues regarding confidence. Now think about such a woman in her family life. Think about how she would treat her husband who is a parole officer while she has become an "advocate". In fact I bet he was telling her to get off the laptop before he popped a cap in her.
 
No, but one well-placed laceration can be potentially fatal if accidental.

Just ask Clint Malarchuk and Richard Zednik.

(yes, yes, they both lived...)
 
Yeah the reason I made the comment I did was because fullmetal said something about someone stabbing someone if they didn't have a gun. Myke pointed out with sarcasm(that I was able to detect) that gun-related accidents are not comparable to beatings and stabbings and I decided to help further his point piling on with more sarcasm about fists going off accidentally. heh heh.

I later had to further explain this to itachiitachi because he couldn't detect the sarcasm..

moral: 1. don't us sarcasm online or 2. Learn to detect sarcasm online!
 
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