Gyllenhaal Sparks Controversy with 9/11 Comments

I dunno, personally I'm tired of all celebrities feeling like they need to be political experts. She was not the first person to say this so, personally, I'm just like, whatever.

My biggest problem with people saying that it 9/11 was our fault is that I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the people that died on 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with some of the things that the terrorists were upset about. If they were upset about what we did, by killing our innocent civilians, that makes them no better than us. Eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind.

Oh, btw, has anyone seen Secretary? Horrible movie, I mean its one of those movies that does a bunch of wierd stuff trying to portray itself as artsy and it comes across as basically a movie on sexual deviancy (including a scene of self defication)... Horrible, just horrible. If she were to apologize for anything, that is what I would want her to apologize for.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I dunno, personally I'm tired of all celebrities feeling like they need to be political experts. She was not the first person to say this so, personally, I'm just like, whatever.

My biggest problem with people saying that it 9/11 was our fault is that I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the people that died on 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with some of the things that the terrorists were upset about. If they were upset about what we did, by killing our innocent civilians, that makes them no better than us. Eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind.

Oh, btw, has anyone seen Secretary? Horrible movie, I mean its one of those movies that does a bunch of wierd stuff trying to portray itself as artsy and it comes across as basically a movie on sexual deviancy (including a scene of self defication)... Horrible, just horrible. If she were to apologize for anything, that is what I would want her to apologize for.[/QUOTE]

yep, it would be like saying that OKC was our fault (though I could understand someone's disgust with the government with how Waco was handled, going to such extremes was un-necessary).

and as far as celebrities stating their opinion, I do agree with you. Though with that said, the first American I heard say that america was at fault for the acts of 9/11 was Jerry Falwell, so ideological biases on how people view the attack should not be mentioned in the criticisms people say about her (I know you said nothing, but I can see someone about to bash people in Hollywood for being so left)
 
I think you guys kind of forgot to read the article:

"The actress, who starred in "Secretary" in 2002, made the comments last week at the Tribeca Film Festival while speaking about her new film, "The Great New Wonderful," which is about people living in the aftermath of the attacks in New York."

and this was the controversial quote:

"I think America has done reprehensible things and is responsible in some way and so I think the delicacy with which it's dealt allows that to sort of creep in,"
 
[quote name='CheapyD']"I think America has done reprehensible things and is responsible in some way and so I think the delicacy with which it's dealt allows that to sort of creep in,"[/QUOTE]
oh wow, thats much different than what most of my radio stations were saying, but i feel that responsibilty is the wrong word. The terrorist Osama Bin Laden was responsible, not any careless actions(if any), or provokation to invoke such an action
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I think you guys kind of forgot to read the article:

"The actress, who starred in "Secretary" in 2002, made the comments last week at the Tribeca Film Festival while speaking about her new film, "The Great New Wonderful," which is about people living in the aftermath of the attacks in New York."

and this was the controversial quote:

"I think America has done reprehensible things and is responsible in some way and so I think the delicacy with which it's dealt allows that to sort of creep in,"[/QUOTE]

Reading is fundamental. ;)
 
Check out "Secretary", she masturbates in the bathroom and appears fully nude at the end.

What? I watched it for the dialog and was suprised.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']oh wow, thats much different than what most of my radio stations were saying, but i feel that responsibilty is the wrong word. The terrorist Osama Bin Laden was responsible, not any careless actions(if any), or provokation to invoke such an action[/QUOTE]

And why do you think Osama bin Laden did it? He wouldn't plan one of the biggest terrorist attacks ever just to "see if he could" or something like that. I don't think we should necessarily change our policies because terrorists don't like them, but it silly to think this attack occured in a vacuum.

There's a difference between "we were responsible" and "we deserved it". I think it would be silly to deny that U.S. foreign policy has generated a lot of hatred among terrorist extremists (and thus led to them targeting Americans), and equally silly to say that all those people deserved to die.
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']And why do you think Osama bin Laden did it? He wouldn't plan one of the biggest terrorist attacks ever just to "see if he could" or something like that. I don't think we should necessarily change our policies because terrorists don't like them, but it silly to think this attack occured in a vacuum.

There's a difference between "we were responsible" and "we deserved it". I think it would be silly to deny that U.S. foreign policy has generated a lot of hatred among terrorist extremists (and thus led to them targeting Americans), and equally silly to say that all those people deserved to die.[/QUOTE]
but his actions were extreme, and irrational, and for that we have no responsibility over the way he handled our actions against him
 
We train Bin Laden, he attacks us with US training, we go after another guy totally.

Who doesnt think that the US didnt have anything to do with the attacks?
 
I was listening to NPR once, and they said that we've found Bin Laden and then an hour later they said that they didnt. Personally, I think we've had him for a while.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']We train Bin Laden, he attacks us with US training, we go after another guy totally.

Who doesnt think that the US didnt have anything to do with the attacks?[/QUOTE]
I believe that the attack against the US, was solely of al-quieda's planning, and was an extreme action, to which no provokation can justify. i believe all other actions taken by the US were of there own accord, and some unnecessary, some necessary.
As for the training of the afghani's to combat the soviets, well that was another Cold War mistake, and was like every other government action then, to have necessary reactions, but not as irrational as the murder of 3,000+ people
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']
There's a difference between "we were responsible" and "we deserved it". I think it would be silly to deny that U.S. foreign policy has generated a lot of hatred among terrorist extremists (and thus led to them targeting Americans), and equally silly to say that all those people deserved to die.[/QUOTE]

Well said, although I wouldn't limit the dislike of US foreign policy to just terrorist extremists.
 
Remember, Downloading Mp3s is a terrorist act now....

So every MP3 you download illegally, aids the murder of thousands of people.

--This public service announcement was bought to you by your Government.--

Oh yeah, dont smoke weed either....you murderest fuck.
 
Sounds pretty much like the usual: somebody dared to imply that the US isn't perfect, and now the red states are having a hissy fit.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']So every MP3 you download illegally, aids the murder of thousands of people.[/QUOTE]
So downloading Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA", is a terrorist act
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']So downloading Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA", is a terrorist act[/QUOTE]

If you didn't pay for it, according to the RIAA, yes.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I think you guys kind of forgot to read the article:

"The actress, who starred in "Secretary" in 2002, made the comments last week at the Tribeca Film Festival while speaking about her new film, "The Great New Wonderful," which is about people living in the aftermath of the attacks in New York."

and this was the controversial quote:

"I think America has done reprehensible things and is responsible in some way and so I think the delicacy with which it's dealt allows that to sort of creep in,"[/QUOTE]

No, I read the article. The thing is, the way it is presented its not like she was asked a specific question on this but rather just felt necessary to add in her 2 cents.

Oh and as far as Jerry Falwell is concerned, he's a fucking nut. As far as being a religious extremist, he's not much better than Osama himself.
 
if anything, if it was Native Americans that crashed the plain I would def say that we deserved it. We truly fOOked them over. As for Gyllennhal's comments, everyone is entitled to their opinion, people do have the right to get angry too. Even if she was right people would still be angry. Its like when Bill Mahr(sp) said those comments how the people who crashed the planes werent stupid and things along that nature and got canned from ABC. He was the only major person to get fired over 9/11 and it was a freedom of speech issue that people didnt want to hear.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I have to disagree with you then. Some fool woman actually believes that we as a nation are somehow "responsible" for the mass murder of 3,000 of our civilians. What a stupid bitch.[/QUOTE]

You are completely misunderstanding what was said, then.
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']You are completely misunderstanding what was said, then.[/QUOTE]

Nope. She is trotting out the outrageous claim that our behavior is in some way to blame as Americans for murderous terrorist thugs mass-murdering 3,000 people. If you say we should reexamine our foreign policy, fine. If you say we should have had better security, fine. If you say we should have had better intelligence, fine. If you say our government should do X, Y and Z, fine. But to insinuate that any of the 3,000 innocent souls who lost their lives on that day had any "responsibility" for it is just insulting.

FYI, the Pentagon is 5 minutes from where I live.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Nope. She is trotting out the outrageous claim that our behavior is in some way to blame as Americans for murderous terrorist thugs mass-murdering 3,000 people. If you say we should reexamine our foreign policy, fine. If you say we should have had better security, fine. If you say we should have had better intelligence, fine. If you say our government should do X, Y and Z, fine. But to insinuate that any of the 3,000 innocent souls who lost their lives on that day had any "responsibility" for it is just insulting.

FYI, the Pentagon is a 5 minutes from where I live.[/QUOTE]

Maggie should go back to doodling herself on camera and leave the political discussions for the big boys.

America didn't deserve 9/11. However trotting around the world and nation-building as we are doing now is not going to win us any friends.

If Iraq turns into another Vietnam, we have only President George W Bush and the red state electorate to blame.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'] But to insinuate that any of the 3,000 innocent souls who lost their lives on that day had any "responsibility" for it is just insulting.[/QUOTE]

That's not what she's insinuating.
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']That's not what she's insinuating.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's certainly what it looks like. I suppose if you're desperate to see it NOT saying that, then you could twist it that way.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Well, that's certainly what it looks like. I suppose if you're desperate to see it NOT saying that, then you could twist it that way.[/QUOTE]

You are the one that is twisting what she said into "the people in the towers and the Pentagon are the ones responsible for the attack and they deserved to die".
 
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