Harry Reid and the Negro Dialect

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Another example of the duplicity of Democrats. If this situation were reversed, and Reid we're a republican senator, he would be run out of town on a rail. But because he's a Cardinal in the Democrat party who leads the current agenda in Congress, we get a heartfelt and disingenuous apology with forgiveness. This is sickening that racists like Reid and Biden are allowed to pass for respectable human beings.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100109/ap_on_el_se/us_obama_reid


Remember, as long as you are loyal to the party, you get redemption. Keep those registered Democrat cards handy.
 
Has it been released that Biden made prejudiced remarks about Obama? Haven't seen or read anything about that; not sure where that's coming from.

I'm kind of shocked people are surprised that this sort of stuff is said outside of the spotlight (just like with athletes, but that's another discussion). Most of these guys are card carrying members of the GOBN, and they're all insanely insulated from the outside world. What should be more shocking is that people will actually buy the defense of "... he's not racist, he supports immigration policies or [insert stance here]," which is a weird combo stance of "I have black friends!" and "No, YOU'RE racist".

Ultimately, for people to bash democrats for something that most elected officials do when there are plenty of policy decisions to criticize is wrong-headed and puzzling.
 
I still just don't get it. The Democrats historically fought the end of slavery and civil rights yet somehow they are seen as the go-to party for minorities, most specifically black. I'm not saying anyone should blindly devote themself to either party based on something as inconsequential as skin color but still it just doesn't make sense.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I still just don't get it. The Democrats historically fought the end of slavery and civil rights yet somehow they are seen as the go-to party for minorities, most specifically black.[/QUOTE]

God dammit, this again? Are you even trying to think about that? I didn't think anybody was ever actually serious when they said that stuff.

Never asked yourself why it is that the Dixiecrats switched parties?
 
A senator calls a liar a lair and he's racist.
A senator describes Obama as a "light skinned" candidate "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." and it's all cool.
 
I'm not trying to defend Reid's comments here, but if he were really a true racist i don't think he would have urged Obama to run for president.

Some people are just stuck in a different time and place and don't understand that things like that might be offensive to people. I see it with older people all the time, they just don't get it. Trying to explain it to them is nearly impossible, they just blow you off like it's no big deal for them to say those things.

Someone in his position should know better then to say such things, but it seems like politicians always end up saying things that bite them in the ass later.
 
[quote name='camoor']Similar to how everyone got up in arms about Micheal Steele's "Honest *native American epithet*" comment?[/QUOTE]
He's already black, remember?
 
[quote name='JolietJake']I'm not trying to defend Reid's comments here, but if he were really a true racist i don't think he would have urged Obama to run for president.

Some people are just stuck in a different time and place and don't understand that things like that might be offensive to people. I see it with older people all the time, they just don't get it. Trying to explain it to them is nearly impossible, they just blow you off like it's no big deal for them to say those things.

Someone in his position should know better then to say such things, but it seems like politicians always end up saying things that bite them in the ass later.[/QUOTE]

youre right, but ...

[quote name='bmulligan']Another example of the duplicity of Democrats. If this situation were reversed, and Reid we're a republican senator, he would be run out of town on a rail. [/QUOTE]

bmulligan is also right.
 
True, but lets not forget how republicans handled the Clinton scandal. Every party simply tries to make the others look as bad as possible. The truth is somewhere in between.
 
Yeah I don't really understand why everyone was ready to hang a guy for an outburst during a speech but it's cool for people to be calling our President "the good kind of negro" and then say "Whoops my bad".
 
[quote name='camoor']Similar to how everyone got up in arms about Micheal Steele's "Honest *native American epithet*" comment?[/QUOTE]

He's no longer the RNC spokesperson due to this slip of the tongue. The media called him out, people in charge had enough, and he's out on his ass now.

Sorry, kids. The party that finds humor in a song called "Barack the Magic Negro" isn't allowed to play the game "let's identify racism!" for another decade and a half.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']True, but lets not forget how republicans handled the Clinton scandal. Every party simply tries to make the others look as bad as possible. The truth is somewhere in between.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. If only we could get a group in charge that cared less about the politics and more about the people.
 
Perfect. Just perfect.

Blagojevich, referring to the president as "this guy," says Obama was elected based simply on hope.

"What the (expletive)? Everything he's saying's on the teleprompter," Blagojevich told the magazine for a story in its February issue, which hits newsstands Jan. 19.

"I'm blacker than Barack Obama. I shined shoes. I grew up in a five-room apartment. My father had a little laundromat in a black community not far from where we lived," Blagojevich said. "I saw it all growing up."

The White House refused to comment.
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Keep on keepin on, Lego Man.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Pssh. Republicans calling on him to resign? So doing nothing while our fellow citizens suffer is not as bad as calling Obama "not Black?"[/QUOTE]

Not doing anything? The republicans are bickering with the democrats like everyone else is bickering with themselves over politics in this country!
 
I'm still trying to figure out how a conversation goes that ends up with the comment Reid made. What does the context of something like that even look like?

An unbelievably stupid thing to say.
 
When I think about the quote, I actually thought it was a common thing in the mucky world of politics, for both sides. You know like how politicians use a gimmick as some way of making them seem more popular like "oh, I'm a philantrophist" or how one is a minority and he'll garner sympathy or something to win the popularity contest.
 
If you run Trent Lott out for saying that the country would be better with Strom Thurmond as president back in the day, but never saying he was referring to segregationist policies, then you've got to run Reid out. If anything, Reid's comment is more direct, and more offensive. My 90 year old grandfather doesn't even call black...err...african american people negros.

Now the fact of the matter is that nobody really cares, it's all just political positioning. As another poster stated, Steele (a black guy) did distribute the "Barack the Magic Negro" song when he first came to power, but that's not the same as a Senate Majority Leader referring to Obama as dropping the Negro-dialect when he wants to.

If you're going to throw one guy out for something not quite as blunt, in fairness, you should throw Reid out, but Reid will get a pass. Double standard yes, what else is new. Both parties do it. I saw kick out all the elephants and jackasses and drop this political party crap.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']When I think about the quote, I actually thought it was a common thing in the mucky world of politics, for both sides. You know like how politicians use a gimmick as some way of making them seem more popular like "oh, I'm a philantrophist" or how one is a minority and he'll garner sympathy or something to win the popularity contest.[/QUOTE]

To whit almost everything Michael Steele says, like the time he said he would lure black people to the Republican side of the aisle with fried chicken.

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berzirk:
What Reid said was terrible but it was nowhere near as bad as what Lott said.
 
Reid was stating the truth. Many American people have a problem with nonwhites taking positions of power and political influence. His race was an issue with regard to the media assassination of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and remains so with regard to "birther" accusations all the way down to the fringe tenther secession arguments.

He was elected in many ways because his appearance and mannerisms did not conjur up the image of the "scary black man," who speaks like Jesse Jackson or Charles Rangel (on a political level, at least).

Harry Reid spoke to truth in a very indelicate way; Trent Lott, on the one occasion you speak of (which is by no means his lone racist gaffe), hypothesized that we would have had fewer problems if we elected a segregationist President while he was still a segregationist. Your appeal to naivete based on the presumption of assuming one cannot infer meaning based on context, and that we must believe only the literal language we hear, is fallacious.

Al-Jazeera put together a short (too short IMO) documentary on the overlapping rhetorical strategies and claims in the US White Supremacist movement and the Tea Party movement. The NSM folks even admit that they see Tea Parties as a grand recruitment opportunity. Quick knee-jerk precaution for you: they're not saying the Tea Party is inherently racist, but there's plenty of overlap.

I'm pretty confident you'll overreact if you have a fondness for the tea party, but them's the breaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXFuZwqGrCU
 
"It's ok though Harry, your poll numbers were already showing you had a big chance of not winning re-election before you said this."

You're right, he wouldn't have won anyway....
 
[quote name='Msut77']To whit almost everything Michael Steele says, like the time he said he would lure black people to the Republican side of the aisle with fried chicken.

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berzirk:
What Reid said was terrible but it was nowhere near as bad as what Lott said.[/QUOTE]

How was what Lott said worse? He didn't say anything about supporting Thurmond because of his segregationist beliefs. In fact, it was at some event to praise Thurmond if I remember correctly. It wasn't like it was a comedy central roast. He just said he thought the country would be better off if Strom won. What's most likely is that Lott had no idea Thurmond was a segregationist. Reid was deliberate in his words. I'm sure this is a huge deal if you're on the right, just as Lott was a huge deal if you're on the left. If you're in the middle you don't give a shit.
 
[quote name='berzirk']What's most likely is that Lott had no idea Thurmond was a segregationist.[/QUOTE]

It's one thing to hind behind a weak claim by acting like there's nothing in this world other than literal meaning of words (e.g., Trent Lott never overtly supported segregation, so there's no way that's what he meant).

It's another thing entirely to make shit way the fuck up as you did in this case.

GTFO.
 
I agree with myke. Reid spoke the truth. It was turned into a media frenzy because he's white, and because he used the word negro.

Also for those people who think Reid should resign, I'm assuming its because you think his statement was racist. Please explain why you think it is a racist statement.
 
I heard a rumor, that Reid actually said this as part of his attempt to get into rap following his upcoming loss. He is going to rap about all sorts of things for the white and negro community. He already has his posse and he's testing the waters in DC to see if people understand his struggle. He's going to rap with some special guests and lay down some fat beats on your ass. I've also seen him dancing, he does that slide on his head and the worm like a pro. His bitch Nancy Pelosi appears in one of his videos knocked up.
Harry also briefly went to jail, joined a gang, and stabbed a guy who wasn't "down" with healthcare. He tweeted that he plans a danceoff between the congress and senate and the winner can stay in his pimped limo and hang with his new baby momma in his crib.

But Reid is also about the kids, like he always says, "if you can't Reid, go to school, bitches"
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']I heard a rumor, that Reid actually said this as part of his attempt to get into rap following his upcoming loss. He is going to rap about all sorts of things for the white and negro community. He already has his posse and he's testing the waters in DC to see if people understand his struggle. He's going to rap with some special guests and lay down some fat beats on your ass. I've also seen him dancing, he does that slide on his head and the worm like a pro. His bitch Nancy Pelosi appears in one of his videos knocked up.
Harry also briefly went to jail, joined a gang, and stabbed a guy who wasn't "down" with healthcare. He tweeted that he plans a danceoff between the congress and senate and the winner can stay in his pimped limo and hang with his new baby momma in his crib.

But Reid is also about the kids, like he always says, "if you can't Reid, go to school, bitches"[/QUOTE]

Quoted for posterity in a thread about how those on the left are racist.

Because in jputa's world of hilarious writing, trying to be black = rapping, committing crimes, being an irresponsible parent, having multiple sexual partners, and dancing. You've just invoked virtually every negative black stereotype imaginable in an attempt to discredit Harry Reid as racist. Nicely done - you've shown what lies underneath the psyche of your average person on the right. We can now see that those who argue for a "color blind society" are well aware of their ability to play racial motivations and use racial stereotypes as the weapons they are.

You don't believe in color-blindness - your rhetorical strategy belies any appeals you make to a "nonracial" society. You could never live in such a place.

Really, this could not have been any more racist if you said the winners of the danceoff got to eat for free at the Coon Chicken Inn.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's one thing to hind behind a weak claim by acting like there's nothing in this world other than literal meaning of words (e.g., Trent Lott never overtly supported segregation, so there's no way that's what he meant).

It's another thing entirely to make shit way the fuck up as you did in this case.

GTFO.[/QUOTE]

Kiss my ass. What did I say that was any more based on speculation than anyone else? Lott was at Strom's 100th birthday. Strom is sitting there in his adult diapers, barely propped up and concious. It was a political jerk-off event. Lott wanted to say something nice about the guy, so he referenced the fact that Strom ran 50 years ago and the country would've been better off.

I love you holier than though assholes who think you're better than everyone else because you have your own opinion. Be overtly liberal, be overtly conservative. I'm right down the middle, so I see through both sides of the bullshit.
 
The likelihood that Lott had no clue of Thurmond's segregationist past is the same likelihood that you are "right down the middle."

Recommence your GTFO-ing.
 
Trent Lott is old - you are refuted berzirk. He was 15 when Thurmond filibustered the 57 Civil Rights Act. If he was 15 at his 100th birthday then maybe he didn't know anything about him, but Lott knew Thurmond's segregationist past. That he wasn't thinking his shit through is clear, but that he didn't know is impossible.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The likelihood that Lott had no clue of Thurmond's segregationist past is the same likelihood that you are "right down the middle."

Recommence your GTFO-ing.[/QUOTE]

Dropping pants for you to kiss my ass in 3-2-1

(I'm a registered independent who has not voted in a presidential election since Bush I v. Clinton. Socially conservative, foreign policy-wise extremely liberal.)

You're welcome.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Trent Lott is old - you are refuted berzirk. He was 15 when Thurmond filibustered the 57 Civil Rights Act. If he was 15 at his 100th birthday then maybe he didn't know anything about him, but Lott knew Thurmond's segregationist past. That he wasn't thinking his shit through is clear, but that he didn't know is impossible.[/QUOTE]

I'm willing to concede that.

The point I'm making is that Lott didn't mean to offend, and clearly didn't mean to say, it's a damn shame that segregation thing never stuck, but his political opponents ran all around putting those words in his mouth for him. With Reid, he was outright quoted saying exactly what they reported. One requires inference into Lott's meaning that could be taken as offensive, the other is a direct quote. That's what has me surprised when people try to brush this one under the rug, but supported hanging Lott out to dry.

It's that hypocrisy that the ass kisser doesn't seem to grasp.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']His race was an issue with regard to the media assassination of Reverend Jeremiah Wright,[/QUOTE]

Now come on Myke - while I won't claim that race had nothing to do with Wright, I think any pastor who used his pulpit to preach "God Damn America" would have gotten similar treatment in the media if they were supposed to be a great friend and inspiration to a presidential candidate.

Of course, going around saying things like "Them Jews aren't going to let [Obama] talk to me." after the election doesn't help him either.
 
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[quote name='berzirk']Dropping pants for you to kiss my ass in 3-2-1

(I'm a registered independent who has not voted in a presidential election since Bush I v. Clinton. Socially conservative, foreign policy-wise extremely liberal.)

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]

Ah, so you're a self-righteous lazy fuck who doesn't have enough respect for democracy to do his civic duty. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Quoted for posterity in a thread about how those on the left are racist.

Because in jputa's world of hilarious writing, trying to be black = rapping, committing crimes, being an irresponsible parent, having multiple sexual partners, and dancing. You've just invoked virtually every negative black stereotype imaginable in an attempt to discredit Harry Reid as racist. Nicely done - you've shown what lies underneath the psyche of your average person on the right. We can now see that those who argue for a "color blind society" are well aware of their ability to play racial motivations and use racial stereotypes as the weapons they are.

You don't believe in color-blindness - your rhetorical strategy belies any appeals you make to a "nonracial" society. You could never live in such a place.

Really, this could not have been any more racist if you said the winners of the danceoff got to eat for free at the Coon Chicken Inn.[/QUOTE]


So racism is party exclusive, then I guess religious intolerance is your thing. We all know that the inner cities are controlled by the democrats that many blacks believe represent them, and they continually fail because of the irresponsible leadership that takes advantage of their hardwork and values. Harry Reid's statement represents the ideas of many liberals whose high horse you ride on. Never mind all the stupid and racist bullshit out of Joe Biden's mouth. Bill Clinton said "A few years ago [Barack Obama] would have been getting us coffee" so even our first "black president" was just as racist. Clinton only helped minorites through government programs designed to discourage them from achiveing any goals such as welfare, instead of giving them better access to education.

And I don't share your white guilt, and Rev. Wright's and Van Jones comments buried themselves just like Reid. Please explain how the media which is almost exclusively liberal, destroyed Wright, I mean all they did was play some of his inspiring speeches. Shouldn't you be ripping this man of God, since you hate religion, I mean Christianity. You can take a post designed to belittle a cynical inept idiot like Reid and paint it across a whole political party like you do with religion, but the bitter angry liberal Keith Olbermann bullshit that you spew over and over is the reason your party and president is failing.

PS you are not as great as you think you are.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor'] Please explain how the media which is almost exclusively status quo, destroyed Wright...[/QUOTE]

Fixed, which is also the answer you are looking for.
 
You know what should be most concerning about this - not the idea that Harry Reid might be racist or such - but the idea that Obama turns on and off his "negro dialect" to pander to his audience. That he can be black when he needs to or be white when he needs to. It's like the idea that Bush 'dumbed down' when he ran for President in order to reach a broader audience.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']Clinton only helped minorites through government programs designed to discourage them from achiveing any goals such as welfare, instead of giving them better access to education.[/quote]

Clinton imposed term limits on welfare, something that hadn't been achieved until then.

Also, Hope VI. Look it up. Read about it. Don't sit drooling by the radio waiting for Mark Levin to shriek about it.

You're fucking moronic if you genuinely believe any of what comes from your fingertips. Like seriously fucking stupid. Wallowing in the morass of not-even-good-enough-to-be-revisionist history. A history that is the product of a passive, lazy, swollen ego, so teeming with self-righteous adulation that it never dares enter into a skeptical or critical thinking phase with which it challenged itself, becoming dormanr, absorbent, and porous, like the belly of someone who has never exercised in their life.

I'm not exaggerating here: your claims of what Clinton did are easily refuted by what Clinton did. Any claim you make is unsupported nonsense.

You're pants-shittingly stupid, kiddo.

And I don't share your white guilt, and Rev. Wright's and Van Jones comments buried themselves just like Reid. Please explain how the media which is almost exclusively liberal, destroyed Wright, I mean all they did was play some of his inspiring speeches.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oidPxJDH5x0

Right. All they did was play the clips.

Note: this was a lazy "first youtube link that wasn't someone's personal vlog" link. Which shows, again, how perpetually wrong you are.

PS you are not as great as you think you are.
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I don't recall saying I was great. But I was pointing out how dead wrong you are. Like "Halo is coming out on PS3" wrong.

Also, there's plenty of research on race and public attitudes of minorities based on skin color. Here's one that shows the variance in attitudes, and corresponding skepticism, that relates to candidates with darker skin color: http://www.jstor.org/pss/2111542

But you won't read that either. You'll still live in your twisted world where facts take a backseat to ideology, and you can claim historical points that are about as accurate as saying JFK emancipated penguins in the serengeti desert, or that John Tyler single-handedly won the franco-prussian war, or William Henry Harrison was a huge fan of the "Back to the Future" trilogy, or that Ronald Reagan's economic policies helped the United States. You know, absurd bullshit like that.

I'm not great, and you're not smart. So let's move on.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']You know what should be most concerning about this - not the idea that Harry Reid might be racist or such - but the idea that Obama turns on and off his "negro dialect" to pander to his audience. That he can be black when he needs to or be white when he needs to. It's like the idea that Bush 'dumbed down' when he ran for President in order to reach a broader audience.[/QUOTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching#Social_motivations_for_code-switching
 
[quote name='UncleBob']You know what should be most concerning about this - not the idea that Harry Reid might be racist or such - but the idea that Obama turns on and off his "negro dialect" to pander to his audience. That he can be black when he needs to or be white when he needs to. It's like the idea that Bush 'dumbed down' when he ran for President in order to reach a broader audience.[/QUOTE]

This post reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI
 
[quote name='camoor']Ah, so you're a self-righteous lazy fuck who doesn't have enough respect for democracy to do his civic duty. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]

That's not it at all. I've voted in local elections for quite some time. I'm just not going to allow myself to vote for President, when a turd and a crap are my two options.

I actually choose to make my own personal statement of a non-vote, as a vote against the status quo. Thanks for not understanding though. I guess you've been thrilled with compelling options like Clinton-Dole, Bush II-Gore, Bush II-Kerry, and this last thrill, Obama-McCain. I wouldn't trust any of those guys to run a local convenience store, let alone the country.
 
[quote name='berzirk']That's not it at all. I've voted in local elections for quite some time. I'm just not going to allow myself to vote for President, when a turd and a crap are my two options.

I actually choose to make my own personal statement of a non-vote, as a vote against the status quo. Thanks for not understanding though. I guess you've been thrilled with compelling options like Clinton-Dole, Bush II-Gore, Bush II-Kerry, and this last thrill, Obama-McCain. I wouldn't trust any of those guys to run a local convenience store, let alone the country.[/QUOTE]

There's normally at least one independent choice on the ballot and if you don't like him there are plenty of candidates you could write-in. The only statement you make as a non-vote is that you don't care, you don't count and you can be safely ignored.
 
[quote name='camoor']There's normally at least one independent choice on the ballot and if you don't like him there are plenty of candidates you could write-in. The only statement you make as a non-vote is that you don't care, you don't count and you can be safely ignored.[/QUOTE]

If there is no one who fits his criteria for President then he shouldn't vote for anyone. It is not a waste of a vote if you determine that no one is running that you think fits the bill and you in turn do not vote, it's just an idividuals way of exercising their right to vote (or not vote). The lesser of two evils argument is just stupid, and I would rather someone not vote out of their outlook of a candidates views then just be another random person who votes straight republican/democrat/independent because its their duty :)lol:).
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']If there is no one who fits his criteria for President then he shouldn't vote for anyone. It is not a waste of a vote if you determine that no one is running that you think fits the bill and you in turn do not vote, it's just an idividuals way of exercising their right to vote (or not vote). The lesser of two evils argument is just stupid, and I would rather someone not vote out of their outlook of a candidates views then just be another random person who votes straight republican/democrat/independent because its their duty :)lol:).[/QUOTE]

Did I say anything about the lesser of two evils arguement? Don't strawman me, you're better then that.

It appears the guy is literate and can access the internet. Plus he claims to vote in local elections where the options tend to be extremely limited. Given this, he should be able to find a candidate he can vote for or write-in. I'll even offer to lmgtfy when 2012 rolls around to show you it's not too hard to get an extremely wide spectrum of candidates with different ideologies and experience.

And for the record I think the "lesser of two evils" arguement sucks.

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