HD DVD thread - Toshiba: HD DVD DISCONTINUED, REPAIR/SUPPORT CONTINUES, NO BLU PLANS

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I'm sure its only going to be a few more years before HVD's catch on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

I'm reading on Wikipedia that NHK did an 18 minute video in 4320p resolution (7680×4320). Each uncompressed minute required 184gb of data storage, however VC1 compression would knock it down to 3GB per minute. Quite a difference.

I'm guessing a resolution that high would only be beneficial in movie theatre sized screens (people say you cant tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in less then 42", i can only imagine the leap between 1080p and 4320p). They also used 22.2 channel surround sound (now that would be a terrible looking setup in a home if it wasnt wireless, lol.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4320p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22.2

Seriously, how far does video technology really need to go. Give us our 3d holographic tv's and call it a day. Or maybe, we'll just live with "The Box"

thebox.jpg
 
[quote name='Bezerker']I'm sure its only going to be a few more years before HVD's catch on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

I'm reading on Wikipedia that NHK did an 18 minute video in 4320p resolution (7680×4320). Each uncompressed minute required 184gb of data storage, however VC1 compression would knock it down to 3GB per minute. Quite a difference.

I'm guessing a resolution that high would only be beneficial in movie theatre sized screens (people say you cant tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in less then 42", i can only imagine the leap between 1080p and 4320p). They also used 22.2 channel surround sound (now that would be a terrible looking setup in a home if it wasnt wireless, lol.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4320p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22.2

Seriously, how far does video technology really need to go. Give us our 3d holographic tv's and call it a day. Or maybe, we'll just live with "The Box"

[/quote] :drool: I can't wait.
 
[quote name='dg7md']Well, don't call me a quitter but, do you assume GS will take in the HD-DVDs and the 360 player? I really, really don't want to deal with trying to sell these to an unsuspecting buyer that doesn't know the unfortunate fate that lies ahead.[/quote]

they are giving $50.00 trade in credit or $55.00 with EDGE Card. The average HD-DVD movie was getting like $5.00-$8.00 usually with the exception of King Kong which was getting like $3.00 i think. I didn't trade anything in, but just checked it out to see what GS was giving for trade in credit.
 
I use DVDspot to track my collection. There wasn't much of difference between that and DVDafficianado at the time, I think I went with spot just because I had a couple of friends using it.
 
[quote name='tenzor']they are giving $50.00 trade in credit or $55.00 with EDGE Card. The average HD-DVD movie was getting like $5.00-$8.00 usually with the exception of King Kong which was getting like $3.00 i think. I didn't trade anything in, but just checked it out to see what GS was giving for trade in credit.[/QUOTE]

Wow.

It's easy to forget how badly they screw people until you hear the numbers.

Jesus christ.
 
but leave it to Sony once again with their gorilla marketing to pounce on the better product

Let us not forget how much of an influence Best Buy has been in clearly pushing Blu-Ray over HD-DVD for the last year or so, from the PS3/HDTV/Blu-Ray disc deals (good values, to be fair) to the placement of the Blu-Ray discs in their recently-revised movie section (at least the one I frequent). I would not be surprised if the "blue shirts" are all programmed to try to subtly dissuade the average, seemingly uninformed consumer from buying an HD-DVD player.

Finally, I think Bill Hunt helped create a self-fulfilling prophecy, by effectively saying Blu-Ray was going to win...because he said it was going to win. He also could be summed up with the Henry Ford-like line of "I don't care who wins the Format War...as long as it's Blu-Ray!"

P.S. Given the 'depth' of people these days, I wonder how much of it simply comes down to the names. HD-DVD might sound like a minor upgrade, while "Blu-Ray" sounds so, like, futuristic! "Uhmajun how daggone good Deltuh Ferce* gunna look on one-a dem dang-dong Blooo-Ray plurrs! Ech-Day Day-Vay-Day, hell, souns like a venurull dizayz ta me! Hyuck!"

*--I have no idea what HD format(s) will feature this cinematic masterpiece.
 
Well, I'm not going to move over to Blue-ray untill I can get a standalone that is version 1.1 or 2.0 or what ever their final spec is, and costs $150.

I still don't see a reason to own a PS3, since I don't like FF, MGS, or GT.

Maybe down the line I'll build a HTPC, throw in a blu-ray drive and also hook up my HD-dvd add on drive. And I'll use that as my combo player.
 
so after watching terminator sara connor pilot and just finishing terminator 3...

what are the best versions of 1 and 2?

i know domestic part 1 is out on bd.. is the import for t2 still the best one? someone on hdd got it for $20!

also did t3 on bd ever make it out? the t3 hd dvd disc is pretty solid
 
[quote name='guyver2077']so after watching terminator sara connor pilot and just finishing terminator 3...
[/QUOTE]

Oh did that finally air? It's been on the net since April. Saw it months ago. It was ok. River is cute.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']I use DVD Aficionado (www.dvdaf.com) but after their re-design I'm not liking it too much. It does the job, but the layout isn't too pretty and not all movies are in their database (the HD-DVD import of Underworld, for instance).[/quote]

do i really have to search for each title.. i was hoping there would be a master list and i could checkmark what i have
 
[quote name='Bezerker']I'm sure its only going to be a few more years before HVD's catch on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

I'm reading on Wikipedia that NHK did an 18 minute video in 4320p resolution (7680×4320). Each uncompressed minute required 184gb of data storage, however VC1 compression would knock it down to 3GB per minute. Quite a difference.

I'm guessing a resolution that high would only be beneficial in movie theatre sized screens (people say you cant tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in less then 42", i can only imagine the leap between 1080p and 4320p). They also used 22.2 channel surround sound (now that would be a terrible looking setup in a home if it wasnt wireless, lol.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4320p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22.2

Seriously, how far does video technology really need to go. Give us our 3d holographic tv's and call it a day. Or maybe, we'll just live with "The Box"

thebox.jpg
[/QUOTE]

I think 1080p is plenty of resolution for 99% of home situations. We would benefit far more from 2x-3x the frame rate.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Oh did that finally air? It's been on the net since April. Saw it months ago. It was ok. River is cute.[/quote]

yea i didnt know it was on the net.. i guess what i saw was the old pilot.. the one airing this month is supposedly a little different...
 
[quote name='guyver2077']so after watching terminator sara connor pilot and just finishing terminator 3...

what are the best versions of 1 and 2?

i know domestic part 1 is out on bd.. is the import for t2 still the best one? someone on hdd got it for $20!


Yes the blu ray came out and is flawed, 1080I not P, unless you turn on PIP mode, which then makes the movie 1080p. Warner has stated a disc replacement issue will soon take effect, unknown when.

I own both T1/T2 on blu ray, and they look great. From what Ive read though, the imports are slightly better, but pretty hard to come by. Id just stick with the blu rays, much cheaper and less of a hassle, but thats just me @_@
 
[quote name='guyver2077']right but i heard that t2 domestic is just the theatrical cut..

ive heard great things about the import..[/QUOTE]

If you can grab the import for $20, jump on it.

It's a two disc set that includes both the Director's Cut and the Theatrical cut. The PQ is top-notch and the forced subs on the theatrical (none on the Director's), you can shrink down to sit solely in the black bar.

Just make sure it's the French edition and not the UK one (UK one is only one disc)

The T2 Blu-Ray is just theatrical cut.
 
What about the super duper uber extra ultra T2 German import coming soon though...I thought March? It may be worth waiting for that, the special features on it looked amazing and I've heard it's a new transfer. Barring any annoyances like forced subs, that will probably be the one to get. I'll definitely pick it up if feedback is positive....assuming they don't cancel it, anyway.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']What about the super duper uber extra ultra T2 German import coming soon though...I thought March? It may be worth waiting for that, the special features on it looked amazing and I've heard it's a new transfer. Barring any annoyances like forced subs, that will probably be the one to get. I'll definitely pick it up if feedback is positive....assuming they don't cancel it, anyway.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo[/QUOTE]

It's only the Director's Cut and I doubt it will look any better than the French one. If you are into extras, you should wait but chances are (since it's from Germany) it will be fairly expensive.
 
I missed out on great deals at HDD, some user sold all his collection at $10 per disc and he had the newly released Pan's Labyrinth and Eastern Promises. Sad how so many people say that they favor one format and then dump it just because Warner says they're going Blu...which won't happen until this summer.
 
Does anyone know the cheapest spots to get used HD movies now? Especially w/all the dumping people are doing, I really want to pick up a few HD's I've been holding out on! Websites or stores (other than ebay).

Thanks! :)
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I missed out on great deals at HDD, some user sold all his collection at $10 per disc and he had the newly released Pan's Labyrinth and Eastern Promises. Sad how so many people say that they favor one format and then dump it just because Warner says they're going Blu...which won't happen until this summer.[/QUOTE]

And people troll my offer in the HD-DVD trading thread here.

People are stupid, I swear.
 
I guess the HD-DVD conference wasn't canceled after all.

HD DVD Rallies Consumer Audience in 2007 Driving Nearly One Million Dedicated Player Sales in North America
HD DVD software sales increase during key holiday season, consistent with
higher player ownership

LAS VEGAS, Jan. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- At the 2008 Consumer Electronics Show in
Las Vegas, the companies of the HD DVD Promotional Group recapped a
breakthrough year for the high definition format, reaching nearly one million
dedicated HD DVD players sold in North America and delivering on the promise
of affordability, quality and a consistent experience on every machine. With
a leading install base of dedicated players, there are now more than 400
titles available in the US and more than 1,000 titles available worldwide.
During the key five week holiday selling period, HD DVD software sales grew at
nearly twice the rate of Blu-ray, which was consistent with increased player
growth.
"Our focus from day one has been to deliver the highest quality hardware
and the best, most immersive home entertainment experiences for consumers at
affordable prices," said Jodi Sally, vice president of marketing, Toshiba's
Digital A/V Group. "With nearly one million dedicated players in the market
in North America, and a leading position in the PC market worldwide, we're
seeing software growth follow suit."
As the industry looks for a format that can break into the mainstream
consumer market, HD DVD continues to be the affordable, high quality leader,
setting the bar for a positive consumer experience. Through a combination of
quality and price, HD DVD meets the essential requirements for any format to
successfully reach the mass market.

Strong Hardware and Title Growth

In 2007, HD DVD reached a broader group of consumers than ever before,
showing strong movie title sales and high attach rates stemming from the major
influx of dedicated HD DVD players on the market. Based on Nielsen data, when
comparing first week consumer sales, "The Bourne Ultimatum" on HD DVD outsold
"Spiderman 3" on Blu-ray. Among all high definition formats, HD DVD still
maintains the highest attach rates -- more than twice the rate of Blu-ray.
"The HD DVD camp has always stuck to a simple set of principles," said Ken
Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal
Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group.
"Give consumers who buy into HD DVD what they paid for. In fact, give them
more than they expected. Show them that quality and value go hand in hand
with HD DVD. Show them what advanced interactivity really means and how it
can enrich your favorite movies that you watch over and over."
To this point, Toshiba's HD DVD players received several Editor's Choice
and Product of the Year awards from respected media outlets, including Sound &
Vision, Electronic House, E-Gear, and Ultimate AV.
On the PC front, the HD DVD Promotional Group announced that by the end of
2007, HD DVD-enabled PCs represented more than 80% of all high
definition-capable PCs. The HD DVD companies expect notebook PCs in particular
to be the variable that helps keep quality high, but prices low, by driving
down manufacturing costs for drives across all HD DVD players.

Global Studio Support

A critical milestone for HD DVD in helping to drive strong sales across
the board was the strong support from Hollywood studios and global content
providers. In 2007, HD DVD went from being supported by 41 studios and
distributors worldwide to 65.

Groundbreaking Interactive Features

Using Microsoft's HDi technology, HD DVD led the way in 2007 with
never-before-seen interactive experiences that have changed how consumers
interact with their favorite movies. HD DVD was the first to offer true
picture in picture director's commentary in 2007 with Warner's "300". This
feature was not included in the Blu-ray version, and showcases a key HD DVD
feature that caters directly to the fan community. Universal's "Heroes" and
Paramount's "Transformers" also included picture in picture features than
enhance the experience for fans.
HD DVD was also the first to deliver web-connected content, offering bonus
material on titles such as "The Bourne Ultimatum," "Heroes: Season 1," and
"Transformers" -- all offering downloadable content that's continually updated
so fans of the movie can return for new features. The interactive elements
are all designed to promote an enhanced "second look" environment and to rally
the fan communities around key titles. In addition, Universal launched
U-Shop, an extension of the U-Control feature, letting you buy items related
to a movie directly through the guaranteed internet connection on every HD DVD
player. Universal's "Evan Almighty" was the first title to showcase this,
illustrating what can be done when every player on the market can access these
features.
As the official successor to DVD, HD DVD has added to the heritage of the
most successful consumer electronics format ever, bringing the highest quality
HD experiences to consumers at the most affordable prices. The HD DVD Booth
at CES 2008 is located in South Hall 1 (booth #21266).

About HD DVD

HD DVD is the next generation, post-DVD standard for high capacity, high
definition optical discs, approved by the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum develops
and defines DVD formats. Its more than 200 strong membership brings together
leaders in movies and entertainment, computing, consumer electronics and
software. HD DVD is fast becoming the primary visual medium for the age of
high-definition TV. The North American HD DVD Promotional Group, Inc. is an
organization established to promote the HD DVD format and educate consumers in
North America. For more information and a complete listing of HD DVD launch
titles please visit www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.
SOURCE North American HD DVD Promotional Group, Inc.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS35203+07-Jan-2008+PRN20080107

Not one mention of Warner leaving but I guess that was expected since this was the HD-DVD Promotional Group's conference.

Glad to see the rumors about Universal going anywhere stomped out. Then again it was kind of silly to imagine them switching when Ken Graffeo is still in charge. I don't know why but he seems to hate Blu-Ray.

[quote name='JasonTerminator']And people troll my offer in the HD-DVD trading thread here.

People are stupid, I swear.[/QUOTE]

No, your post was still stupid.

You only wanted to pay $10 shipped per disc (while listing mainly blockbuster movies) and they had to be sealed AND you were listing movies that weren't even released yet.

People maybe stupid and selling off most of their collection for peanuts, but they aren't that stupid.
 
[quote name='velvet396']that fucking sucks. glad I bought that $100 HD-A2 from wal-mart that I'll have to ebay asap. Gave one as a gift, too. Now they'll hate me for it.[/quote]
apologies for a late-night knee-jerk reaction.

I'm keeping the player and that was pretty stupid to say about the gift. Their old regular DVD player was pretty shyte, so at the very least they'll enjoy a measurable jump in PQ. Also, at the rate they get movies there's plenty of content for them to enjoy.

I guess I was just shocked. The "war" hadn't made much progress prior to this point in time. Once I get in my rebate movies and sell those off (a while back I moved to "rent only" since I never watch my owned DVDs), I won't be out much money and it's not like my A2 just self-destructed in my cabinet.

EDIT: also sorry for the double-post just now, was browsing back a few pages and forgot I just posted in here.
 
I find it hilarious people are dumping their HD-DVDs... as if the players have self-destructed and are now rendered useless...
 
[quote name='DestroVega']I find it hilarious people are dumping their HD-DVDs... as if the players have self-destructed and are now rendered useless...[/quote]It's called, getting cash for a BD player.

Especially now when you can still get the most $ for them.
 
[quote name='dallow']It's called, getting cash for a BD player.[/quote]

We know why people are doing it but its retarded. You have X amount of movies in your collection that you are getting rid of to cover the cost or some of the cost of a Blu-Ray player or PS3 and you have to start your HighDef collection all over again. I gotta admit its pretty dumb. I'm keeping my HD DVD and my movies, if I ever go Blu-Ray I'll just expand on my collection.
 
See my stealth edit.

Also, some people don't like have extra equipment.

That being said.
If I were in this predicament.
I'd keep my movies. I just wouldn't buy anymore.
 
[quote name='dallow']See my stealth edit.

Also, some people don't like have extra equipment.

That being said.
If I were in this predicament.
I'd keep my movies. I just wouldn't buy anymore.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm just not buying anymore HD DVDs unless Scarface comes out soon.

my only regret is that I didn't buy most of my Warner titles in BD... 17 of the 18 i have are HD DVD... cause I got that player 2 months before my BD player.
 
[quote name='Ruined']UPDATED sale list HD DVD guys!
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ems&userid=ruinedx&ssPageName=STRK:MEFS:MESOI

On one hand I'm pissed as hell the war turned out the way it did. On the other hand, at least its over and I can move on to more important things. The OP of this thread did a fantastic job of keeping it updated, better than news threads on home theater sites! Impressive :)[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I'll continue to do so for the forseeable future, or hopefully as long as titles continue to come out.


Also, some people don't like have extra equipment.
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I definitely understand that, hell I got rid of my Wii because I wasn't using it and I've got enough crap attached to my TV already, I don't need stuff sitting there collecting dust.

But on that topic, Samsung just announced their upcoming dual format player, which is Blu-Ray profile 1.1 compatible and (supposedly) fixes the issues with their previous dual format player...plus, the price isn't THAT outrageous (MSRP $599). I still won't pick it up because there is no BD-Live functionality, but we are inching closer to "The One" that has every feature of both sides. If Blu-Ray gets up to 2.0 in the next 6-8 months (I'm not holding my breath since it took them forever to get to 1.1) I'd hope to see an complete dual format player by the end of the year.
 
[quote name='Ruined']UPDATED sale list HD DVD guys!
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ems&userid=ruinedx&ssPageName=STRK:MEFS:MESOI

On one hand I'm pissed as hell the war turned out the way it did. On the other hand, at least its over and I can move on to more important things. The OP of this thread did a fantastic job of keeping it updated, better than news threads on home theater sites! Impressive :)[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I'll continue to do so for the forseeable future, or hopefully as long as titles continue to come out. I honestly don't think it's "over" for the format anytime soon, at least until the end of the year.


Also, some people don't like have extra equipment.
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I definitely understand that, hell I got rid of my Wii because I wasn't using it and I've got enough crap attached to my TV already, I don't need stuff sitting there collecting dust.

But on that topic, Samsung just announced their upcoming dual format player, which is Blu-Ray profile 1.1 compatible and (supposedly) fixes the issues with their previous dual format player...plus, the price isn't THAT outrageous (MSRP $599). I still won't pick it up because there is no BD-Live functionality, but we are inching closer to "The One" that has every feature of both sides. If Blu-Ray gets up to 2.0 in the next 6-8 months (I'm not holding my breath since it took them forever to get to 1.1) I'd hope to see an complete dual format player by the end of the year.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']Yeah, I'm just not buying anymore HD DVDs unless Scarface comes out soon.

my only regret is that I didn't buy most of my Warner titles in BD... 17 of the 18 i have are HD DVD... cause I got that player 2 months before my BD player.[/quote]

If you like the format and what it does, you're doing the wrong thing. If you want to see functionality of HD-DVD, keep spending. Toshiba wants to make Sony bleed some more money and I'm starting to think this is their last time they'll make Sony think they've won.
 
There's a B2G1 going on over at Amazon UK, while there aren't a ton of great deals, you could pick up

The Prestige
The Island
and one other movie

for only £35.66 ($70.38) shipped. That's only $23.46 per movie.
 
this might see random, but does anyone know where you can buy HD DVD's in Cambridge, Mass? can't find any on the internet

Out here for work and won't be coming back until really late saturday and want to watch zodiac as soon as I get home :D
 
I really don't understand dumping HD DVD's either. You will be worse off. If you completely switch to blu ray, you still won't be getting any Universal or Paramount movies. Not for a while anyway.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I really don't understand dumping HD DVD's either. You will be worse off. If you completely switch to blu ray, you still won't be getting any Universal or Paramount movies. Not for a while anyway.[/QUOTE]

Well, there are a handful of Paramount titles you won't get, including, lamentably, Transformers. It's not too hard to find their catalog stuff with two exceptions: Shooter (doesn't matter to me at all) and The Untouchables (which I would like a copy of).

Forward looking, however, you're quite right.
 
If you dont mind having an extra player, you might as well keep your hd-dvds. The HD versions of Warner discs sometimes have more special features, and Warner screws up a lot more on BR discs (Terminator 3, Harry Potter giftset).
 
I'm not selling all my HD DVDs or my 360 add-on. But I won't go running out to buy a PS3, either. I did plan on buying a PS3 in the summer, but I don't think this is going to make me buy one sooner.
 
[quote name='Ruined']UPDATED sale list HD DVD guys!
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ems&userid=ruinedx&ssPageName=STRK:MEFS:MESOI

On one hand I'm pissed as hell the war turned out the way it did. On the other hand, at least its over and I can move on to more important things. The OP of this thread did a fantastic job of keeping it updated, better than news threads on home theater sites! Impressive :)

Feel free to PM me offers on any titles w/o bids.[/QUOTE]

The Bridge to Terabithia import for $25 shipped, how could I ever pass that up? :whistle2:# If you also have the Tomb Raider 2 import, PM me.
 
there was talk of a "community movie night" type thing with Harry Potter. could someone explain that in more detail? Everyone watches the movie then comes back and posts about it? That can't be it.
 
[quote name='velvet396']there was talk of a "community movie night" type thing with Harry Potter. could someone explain that in more detail? Everyone watches the movie then comes back and posts about it? That can't be it.[/quote]

One of the features of HP5 is to be able to have a host start the movie with other users watching it at the same time, meaning that the host could pause it and it will be paused on your end as well. The movie also has a chatroom feature, so this is where "community movie night" comes in. Its like hosting/playing a Live game just with a movie and texting on screen.
 
[quote name='velvet396']there was talk of a "community movie night" type thing with Harry Potter. could someone explain that in more detail? Everyone watches the movie then comes back and posts about it? That can't be it.[/QUOTE]
Link already hit it, but to expand - you can sign up on the Warner site and make an account - similar to signing up for an instant messaging service - and add people to your buddylist. This can be done throught the Warner site or through the menus on the HD DVD itself. The Warner site is here:

http://hddvd.warnerbros.com/hdc/reg/login.do

Once the person who is going to "lead" the screening sets the time and invites everyone who plans on attending, you're all set. When the screening starts, the person leading in the screening controls all of the players. You can chat in real-time, I believe either with a USB keyboard plugged in, OR you can type it in on your PC on the Warner site and it will appear onscreen.

If anyone signs up let me know and I will add them to my list. As I said earlier, this may be the only time we see this feature for a while since Warner is on the way out and Blu-Ray is still catching up.


How are people doing on this? Guyver, are you caught up yet? Anyone interested, let's try to do it this week sometime.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Link already hit it, but to expand - you can sign up on the Warner site and make an account - similar to signing up for an instant messaging service - and add people to your buddylist. This can be done throught the Warner site or through the menus on the HD DVD itself. The Warner site is here:

http://hddvd.warnerbros.com/hdc/reg/login.do

Once the person who is going to "lead" the screening sets the time and invites everyone who plans on attending, you're all set. When the screening starts, the person leading in the screening controls all of the players. You can chat in real-time, I believe either with a USB keyboard plugged in, OR you can type it in on your PC on the Warner site and it will appear onscreen.

If anyone signs up let me know and I will add them to my list. As I said earlier, this may be the only time we see this feature for a while since Warner is on the way out and Blu-Ray is still catching up.


How are people doing on this? Guyver, are you caught up yet? Anyone interested, let's try to do it this week sometime.[/quote]
That makes me cringe a bit thinking how long it'll be for BD to offer such a cool feature. I don't have the disc but this certainly is a reason to rent it - and would be awesome if more titles featured it. Come to think of it, LIVE needs this function ASAP for its video marketplace. It's not the best thing since sliced bread, but I'd definitely use it occaisonally with my clan-members and old friends who now live far away.
 
I'm getting the impression that by the end of this month, it'll be pretty much over, with (virtually) every studio jumping the Good Ship HD-DVD through a chain reaction of contractual 'out clauses'. The way I understand it, even if a studio like Warner will technically be supporting HD-DVD until May, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll keep releasing new titles, will they? Are a bunch of seemingly imminent 2008 HD-DVD releases from defecting studios going to be canceled outright?

Also, it sounds like most retail (and online?) stores are going to quickly reduce then eliminate their HD-DVD sections. I just got an HD-DVD player not to rebuy movies I already have on DVD, but instead to start buying new releases/movies I somehow didn't already have on a better-looking format. Am I pretty much screwed here, or can I safely look forward to enough titles this calendar year to make my purchase worthwhile? When will the mass liquidation of stock begin?
 
nice, my first whv disaster

i made an order the day before the WB announcement

i decided to get the movies on blu ray instead of HD DVD bc of the announcement so i emailed them to cancel, no reply

i call and after 40 minutes they say they will contact the warehouse to cancel

monday it says in process on their website so i call again and they confirm they're canceled and the website is just slow to update

check email today and they shipped out the movies to my house and the pre orders are still in process, woman on the phone says they weren't canceled and has no notes about the order to be canceled

argh
 
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