Hilliary Clinton and her Wal-Mart ties

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Clinton Quiet About Past Wal-Mart Ties

By BETH FOUHY, AP Political Writer 34 minutes ago

With retail giant Wal-Mart under fire to improve its labor and health care policies, one Democrat with deep ties to the company — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton — has started feeling her share of the political heat.
Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.
Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board "was a great experience in every respect."
But in recent months, as the company has become a target for Democratic activists, she has largely steered clear of any mention of Wal-Mart. And late last year, Clinton's re-election campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing "serious differences with current company practices."
As Clinton sheds her Arkansas past and looks ahead to a possible 2008 presidential run, the Wal-Mart issue presents an exquisite dilemma: how to reconcile the political demands she faces today with her history at a company many American consumers depend upon but many Democratic activists revile.
"The interesting question is not just Hillary Clinton's history at Wal-Mart, but why it's delicate for her to talk about Wal-Mart," said Charles Fishman, author of "The Wal-Mart Effect," a book on the company's impact on the national economy. "Plenty of Democrats denounce Wal-Mart, but there are also plenty of people who need it, love it and rely on it."
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In 1986, when Wal-Mart's founder, Sam Walton, tapped Clinton to be the company's first female board member, Wal-Mart was a fraction of its current size, with $11.9 billion in net sales.
Today, Wal-Mart is the world's largest retailer and largest private employer, with over $312 billion in sales last year and 1.3 million employees or "associates" in the U.S. alone. But recently, the company has drawn intense scrutiny for its labor practices — from its wages to the lack of affordable health coverage for employees, to its stiff resistance to unionization.
Throughout the 1980s, both Bill and Hillary Clinton nurtured relationships with Walton, a conservative Republican and by far Arkansas' most influential businessman.
Among other things, Hillary Clinton sought Walton's help in 1983 for Bill Clinton's so-called Blue Ribbon Commission on Education, a major effort to improve Arkansas' troubled public schools. The overhaul became a centerpiece of Clinton's governorship.
And Wal-Mart's Made in America campaign, which for years touted the company's sales of American products in its stores, was launched after Bill Clinton persuaded Walton to help save 200 jobs at an Arkansas shirt manufacturing plant. The Made in America campaign has virtually vanished in recent years, as the company's manufacturing has gradually moved overseas — another point of criticism by many anti-Wal-Mart activists.
The Clintons also benefited financially from Wal-Mart. Hillary Clinton was paid $18,000 each year she served on the board, plus $1,500 for each meeting she attended. By 1993 she had accumulated at least $100,000 in Wal-Mart stock, according to Bill Clinton's federal financial disclosure that year. The Clintons also flew for free on Wal-Mart corporate planes 14 times in 1990 and 1991 in preparation for Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential bid.
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Wal-Mart has little to say about Hillary Clinton's board service, and will not release minutes of the company's board meetings during her tenure. Lorraine Voles, Clinton's communications director, turned down a request for an interview with the senator.
Still, details have come to light over the years.
Bob Ortega, author of "In Sam We Trust," a history of Wal-Mart, said Clinton used her position to urge the company to improve its gender and racial diversity. Because of Clinton's prodding, Walton agreed to hire an outside firm to track the company's progress in hiring women and minorities, Ortega said.
"These were things the company was not addressing and wouldn't have, had she not pushed them to do so," Ortega said. "She's somebody who could definitely get things done."
In fact, Clinton proved to be such a thorn in Walton's side that at Wal-Mart's annual meeting in 1987, when shareholders challenged Walton on the company's lack of female managers, he assured them the record was improving "now that we have a strong willed young lady on the board."
Clinton was particularly vocal on environmental matters, pressing the company to boost its sale and use of recycled materials and other "green" products.
Garry Mauro, who served with Clinton on a Wal-Mart environmental advisory committee, pointed to many successes, such as persuading the company to establish recycling centers and sell products like recycled oil and long-life light bulbs.
"Hillary had real impact — when she had an idea, things got moving," he said. "When she resigned from the committee, it stopped having any innovative ideas and stopped being effective."
Still, critics say there was little tangible change at Wal-Mart during Clinton's tenure, despite her apparent prodding.
"There's no evidence she did anything to improve the status of women or make it a very different place in ways Mrs. Clinton's Democratic base would care about," said Liza Featherstone, author of "Selling Women Short: The Landmark Battle for Worker's Rights at Wal-Mart."
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The Wal-Mart debate has been playing out in Legislatures and city councils around the country in the last year, even hitting close to Clinton's adopted home.
New York State legislators of both parties are promoting bills requiring businesses including Wal-Mart to provide health coverage to their workers. And in October, New York City passed a law, aimed squarely at Wal-Mart, requiring large grocery stores to pay most workers a health care benefit worth an estimated $2.50 to $3 an hour. The law helped stall Wal-Mart's efforts to move into the city, even though recent polls indicate a majority of New Yorkers would welcome Wal-Mart.
Amid the deluge of legislative proposals around the country, Wal-Mart CEO Scott Lee announced last month that the company would expand its effort to enroll more workers in a new, low-premium health plan. The company will also trim the waiting period for part-time employees to become eligible for coverage.
But Hillary Clinton, who as first lady proposed a wide-ranging but ultimately unsuccessful plan to reshape the nation's health care system, has had little to say about Wal-Mart's health care record.
"That was a long time ago," she said recently when asked if she had done anything about the company's health care policies while she served on its board.
That comment was met with disbelief from Jonathan Tasini, a longtime labor organizer mounting a longshot challenge to Clinton in New York's Democratic Senate primary.
"Voters would find it a strained argument to believe that the senator who prides herself on intelligence and knowledge of detail can't recall any details in this case. It just strains credulity," Tasini said.
Nonetheless, Clinton and her advisers continue to insist that Wal-Mart has fundamentally changed since her tenure on the board.
"Wal-Mart was a different company then and the country was not facing the same health care challenges we face today," communications director Lorraine Voles said.
Even Clinton's decision to return Wal-Mart's campaign contribution illustrated the complicated role still Wal-Mart plays in her political life.
Wake-Up Wal-Mart posted several entries on its Web log applauding the decision, but others complained that the move seemed hypocritical and opportunistic given her history with the company.
Meanwhile, Republican National Committee spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt called the move "standard operating procedure" for Clinton.
"When push comes to shove, the senator allows politics to trump principle every time," Schmitt said.
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Associated Press Writer Marcus Kabel contributed to this report.
 
Hillary was never from Arkansas.

She grew up in Illinois a lifelong Yankees fan, became First Lady on a fluke then ran for and won a Senate seat from her home state of New York.

She never lived in Arkansas. She may have passed through there unknowingly asleep in the back seat on a cross country drive but she has no ties to the state.

Damn conservative hack.
 
Wal-Mart was a different company back then when Sam Walton was running it. When he died, his heirs turned it down the path the it is currently on.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']She never lived in Arkansas. She may have passed through there unknowingly asleep in the back seat on a cross country drive but she has no ties to the state.[/QUOTE]

I suppose 12 years as First Lady doesn't account for much?

As for Wal-Mart being better in the past, that's a bunch of bullshit; just because Sam Walton drove a beater pick-m-up doesn't make him not a billionaire. It was the same company, for better or worse.

Now, what I'm trying to figure out is that Hillary Clinton is being lambasted for having ties to Wal-Mart; what's not being said is that, instead of Hillary Clinton, if it were any Republican, it would be par for the course, and not even worthy of the pedantic banter we all engage in on the vs forums.

So, what's being implied here is that it somehow demeans Clinton's political perspective because she served on the board at one time. You may have a point with Clinton, but I don't like, and don't agree with, the implication suggested. That implication is this: Republicans are pro-corporation, and democrats are anti-corporation. Are *some* Democrats? Certainly some take a strict anti-corporatist stance, but if you want to generalize those as representative of the Democratic party, then you better hope to deal with those who want Fred Phelps and militia hillbillies to represent the entirety of the Republican party.

In the end, this is bickering over a falsely dichotomized perspective that ignores the nuances that figure into the ways people genuinely think. While I do not respect Clinton for being on Wal-Mart's board, I can deal with the fact that there are those in the Democratic party who laud laissez-faire capitalism (though few), those who respect capitalism but want checks put in place as to avoid the exploitation of those working under capitalism (see: AFL-CIO), and those who want to do away with capitalism entirely (er, hippies?).

What's funny is how the extreme left and the extreme right are truly so close; I grew up around a bunch of peacenik vegan Food-not-Bombs anarchist Murray Bookchin reading punk rock kids; all but a select handful have slowly moved from the "smash the capitalist establishment" mentality to the "I worship at the altar of my guns and want the government to get the fuck out of every aspect of my life" mentality. Hmm, off topic.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I grew up around a bunch of peacenik vegan Food-not-Bombs anarchist Murray Bookchin reading punk rock kids....[/QUOTE]

You're hardcore!

Your friends are all sellouts! Never give in to the man!

Oi Oi Oi!

Funny, I grew up listening to the Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag, Violent Femmes, D.I., Husker Du, wore band t-shirts and went to shows but my combat boots were polished, not beaters (No, I didn't have red OR white laces :rofl:.) and had really long shaggy hair until the summer of basic.

I had no interest in living in apartments with 7 people, sleeping on the floor, scraping for utilities and drinking Miwuakee's Best, Mickey's Big Mouth or Piel's all my life hoping some dumb rich chick would buy us take out on weekends.

Amazing how that's fun when you're 19 but not much longer after that.
 
Nice, Wal-mart is Hillary's Haliburton. I love watching libs squirm and make excuses for her and her commrades.

And speaking of Haliburton, isn't Lady Bird Johnson, another former democrat first lady, a majority stockholder of haliburton ? I wonder if she gave anyone campaign contributions last election...

Oh what an obscure, incestuous web the elite weave for themselves.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You're hardcore!

Your friends are all sellouts! Never give in to the man!

Oi Oi Oi!

Funny, I grew up listening to the Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag, Violent Femmes, D.I., Husker Du, wore band t-shirts and went to shows but my combat boots were polished, not beaters (No, I didn't have red OR white laces :rofl:.) and had really long shaggy hair until the summer of basic.

I had no interest in living in apartments with 7 people, sleeping on the floor, scraping for utilities and drinking Miwuakee's Best, Mickey's Big Mouth or Piel's all my life hoping some dumb rich chick would buy us take out on weekends.

Amazing how that's fun when you're 19 but not much longer after that.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: You've at least ten years on me, since I was in 6th grade when Desert Storm began; I was looking at some old pics a week ago from a club (no longer standing) that was precisely 5 blocks west of where I'm sitting right now. DK, Cro-Mags, The Cramps, DI...man, you fuckin' name it and they played there. It's very strange how I feel warm and nostalgic for a time and era that I was 4-7 during, but that's what it is.

I'm as hardcore as I am well-coifed; that is, I'm not.

We may disagree on many many things, Kevin (or is it Keith?), but if you know any means of conveying that last sentence of yours to people, by all means tell me. I'm driving up to Columbus with my family to watch an NHL game tomorrow, but if I'm not worn out from driving, I'll be going over to a friend's house, who will be turning 32 (or 3?) and has yet to recognize that he's no longer 19. Any help is greatly appreciated. ;)
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

I had no interest in living in apartments with 7 people, sleeping on the floor, scraping for utilities and drinking Miwuakee's Best, Mickey's Big Mouth or Piel's all my life hoping some dumb rich chick would buy us take out on weekends.

Amazing how that's fun when you're 19 but not much longer after that.[/QUOTE]

I went through college living in houses with more than 7 or more people, drank a lot of Milwaukee's Beast, and listened to the flaming lips. It was a hippe gathering of utmost irresponsibility and a perfect lesson that from each his ability, to each his need was an insane notion.
 
Good luck with telling someone to grow up.

When I moved back to Pittsburgh in 2000 I was living with one of my old college roommates. His chick had thrown him out of her townhouse New Year's Day and we lived together in a rented house for 6 months. He decided he wanted to buy a house, where did he want it? Close to the bar area in Pittsburgh so he didn't have to drive drunk anymore. He was 32 at the time.

You can't tell people to grow up but I stopped growing to bars with him, even though we had done it for 11 years, when I stopped knowing all the bands the kids were talking about and was 4 years older than anyone else in the bar. It was just time to stop acting like a kid and move on.

It'll come to him soon. Give it another Presidential election (2008) or two (2012) tops before he snaps out of it.

The funny thing is though the oldest and most out of place I ever felt was when I was in Morgan Stanley's training program and there were 22 year old college finance and business majors that graduated 2-4 months before they took the job. At the time I was still less than 8 years older than them but I was the only person my age. I made one girl literally cry when I told her that her grades, achievements and honors from college meant exactly shit since she was making $24k per year (They paid based on previous professional experience, I wasn't making that.) and if they did she wouldn't be making less than an assistant manager at 7-11. Oh god how dumb people are.

Enjoy your time in Columbus. Nationwide Arena is a great place to watch a hockey game.
 
PAD...why is everything I read from you so cool. Dude..I wish I could meet you. Let me know if you ever go to Vegas. I know I ain't been around here too much posting but I still come here and read every now and then. Your posts are a mirror of my thoughts. At 19 it was the best living with your buddies and going to shows. DK rules bro...CALIFORNIA UBER ALLES!

California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face

Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay!

One of my favorite songs. :)

I am 35 now and going to a Ministry show next month. I can't wait..it's like being a teenager again! w00t

Now for On-Topic...

I do think Walmart lost it's soul when Sam died. I firnly believe he would have run the company better than it currently is. As for Hillaries ties to the chain...well everyone has ties to some big company. At least she is smart enough to distance herself now. I know she is a hypocrit and so does everyone else.Dems just don't care.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You're hardcore!

Your friends are all sellouts! Never give in to the man!

Oi Oi Oi!

Funny, I grew up listening to the Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag, Violent Femmes, D.I., Husker Du, wore band t-shirts and went to shows but my combat boots were polished, not beaters (No, I didn't have red OR white laces :rofl:.) and had really long shaggy hair until the summer of basic.

I had no interest in living in apartments with 7 people, sleeping on the floor, scraping for utilities and drinking Miwuakee's Best, Mickey's Big Mouth or Piel's all my life hoping some dumb rich chick would buy us take out on weekends.

Amazing how that's fun when you're 19 but not much longer after that.[/quote]

ohh big name dropper!


You don't know shit but wish you did.
 
Holiday In Cambodia "

So you been to school for a year or two
And you know you've seen it all
In daddy's car thinkin' you'll go far
Back east your type don't crawl
Play ethnicky jazz to parade your snazz
On your five grand stereo
Braggin that you know how the niggers feel cold
And the slums got so much soul

It's time to taste what you most fear
Right Guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear

It's a holiday in Cambodia
It's tough kid, but it's life
It's a holiday in Cambodia
Don't forget to pack a wife

Your a star-belly sneech you suck like a leech
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch so you can get rich
But your boss gets richer on you
Well you'll work harder with a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers til you starve
Then your head skewered on a stake
Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need my son:

Is a holiday in Cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll kiss ass or crack

Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot [etc.]

And it's a holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul


I think this song sums up the mindset of this board perfectly.

Another DK classic. Too bad Jello turned out to be a thief and screwed his bandmates out of a ton of money. Guess that's what happens when you own the record label though.
 
I'm sure you could find plenty of po-dunk punk songs to copy and paste your opinions from, you seem to need to do it with everything else.


Fat punk kid gets teased in highschool, grows up, gets teased on a message board, try "you've got no friends" by anal cunt.
 
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