House republicans want to put women in their place

I dissagree with that. I'd join up with the army/navy/marines if I knew that I'd be working towards something I believed in. If I knew I would be shipped off to help stop the genocide in the Sudan, i'd enlist the second I turn 18.
 
[quote name='Mouse']I dissagree with that. I'd join up with the army/navy/marines if I knew that I'd be working towards something I believed in. If I knew I would be shipped off to help stop the genocide in the Sudan, i'd enlist the second I turn 18.[/QUOTE]

You're lying if you'd say you're willing to die.

I'd join the military too, but only because there is such a high probability of survival with the lack of a true front line. But alas, if there was a WW2 number of people dying on the lines, every single one of us would falter and refuse.
 
Of course nobody wants to "die". But when you enlist, it's not signing a certificate that ensures your immediate death. It's joining up to work towards a greater good. You said "Noone is ready to die for anything". With that I dissagree. But being willing to put your life on the line for a cause bigger than yourself is different than being "willing to die", which I never said.
 
ready is one thing willing is another. Very few people are ever ready to die when they actually die...but a lot of people are actually willing especially if they believe in something enough.

it's not complete bullshit...that's what war has been for centries people who believe in something enough to put thier lives in danger and fight for it, die if necessary.

I think war today is bullshit, it's political leaders that have a supply of people to protect them and never lift a gun, fist, or sword to fight (in other words unwilling to die, never in danger) and these people tell other people whom they control that they must die for something the leaders only moderately believe in (and wouldn't die for). I say lets cut out all the middlemen, get the leaders in a bull pen and let them fight to the death instead of having hundreds of lives sacroficed so they can be ignorent asses only out to increase thier own wealth and power. (I'm really only talking about war in general over the last 50 years).
This is what you get when I'm PMSing anyway...so annoyed at the idiots that think it's okay to send someone who doesn't believe in something over to die...let the poeple who really believe in the cause fight it out and whatever happens happens...just never force anyone to die for something that isn't worth it to them. oh yeah...and if you don't recruit many willing people...then you lose because the side you're on isn't worth fighting for...it would be a fairer fight and truer outcome if only those who believed in it fought for it.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Sorry, I was speaking in the rhelm of averages...basically saying that on average...black guys are more athletic (on average) than white guys. Thats mainly based on slavery times and how the weaker slaves were killed or sold for favor of stronger slaves and how they were bred with a strong slave man to a stonger larger slave woman.

This isnt a racist comment, just history. And now black athletes DOMINATE the sports industry. I'm not saying White guys try 100x harder (I did kinda word that wrong and I'm very sorry about that), but white guys (on average again!) hit a physical wall that black athletes easily move past.

If more black people lived in Canada, they'd DOMINATE hockey too probably.[/QUOTE]

First I partially see what you're saying with Blacks but there's a reason just as big. When you're desperate to move up in your situation, go to college and such, you'll look at all your choices. Now Whites on the average may have more choices then some Blacks, like being more financially capable to go to college without having to join the army or the NCAA. That drive for some Blacks to get out of what may be a terrible situation is a great motivator and they may get a scholarship, NCAA or whatever because of it. If you dropped a bunch of White people in the hood and gave them some of these choices only you might be surprised how many more great White players join the NCAA and maybe end up in the NBA.
Great muscle tone is all well and good but it doesn't mean shit if you don't have that magic catalyst for you to really have to utilize it and train your body right. Sorry if I end up sounding all bad at explaining this. I'm all hazy and such right now.
In terms of fighting for what I believe in if the U.S. tried to abandon South Korea to the North I'd be fighting right there with the Koreans because I'll be damned if some music artists like Tasha who are ABOUT something get brainwashed by Kim Jong Il and starting putting out false news crap.
Gamer's Girlfriend nary a truer thing was said about the politics of war than what was said about the Civil War: "A rich man's War, a poor man's fight.". The same has held true for most wars since.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Sorry, I was speaking in the rhelm of averages...basically saying that on average...black guys are more athletic (on average) than white guys. Thats mainly based on slavery times and how the weaker slaves were killed or sold for favor of stronger slaves and how they were bred with a strong slave man to a stonger larger slave woman.

This isnt a racist comment, just history. And now black athletes DOMINATE the sports industry. I'm not saying White guys try 100x harder (I did kinda word that wrong and I'm very sorry about that), but white guys (on average again!) hit a physical wall that black athletes easily move past.

If more black people lived in Canada, they'd DOMINATE hockey too probably.[/QUOTE]

Disagree. Blacks and whites tend to be better at different sports because of the natural physical differences between two subsets of homo sapiens. You don't see a lot of top black players in sports like hockey or skiing or volleyball or lacrosse or pole vault, etc., although some of that is starting to change. Yeah, some of it is just not being exposed to those sports, but I wouldn't say that blacks are automatically more physically capable than whites. Even in sports traditionally dominated by blacks at this point there are top white players, like in the NBA and NFL. In the sport most widely played and requiring the most skill, football (soccer), there have been players from all over the world that can be considered among the best ever.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Disagree. Blacks and whites tend to be better at different sports because of the natural physical differences between two subsets of homo sapiens. You don't see a lot of top black players in sports like hockey or skiing or volleyball or lacrosse or pole vault, etc., although some of that is starting to change. Yeah, some of it is just not being exposed to those sports, but I wouldn't say that blacks are automatically more physically capable than whites. Even in sports traditionally dominated by blacks at this point there are top white players, like in the NBA and NFL. In the sport most widely played and requiring the most skill, football (soccer), there have been players from all over the world that can be considered among the best ever.[/QUOTE]

Ya might want to back that one up with something
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Back which part of it up?[/QUOTE]

The whole thing.

You said matter-of-factly that race is a dividing factor in sports.

Prove it.
 
Well.... you look at Yao, but besides him how many NBA Chinese basketball players do you see? I know it's taboo to say it, but I do think that generally speaking, certain races will be better at certain sports because of the body sizes/capabilities required.
 
[quote name='camoor']Well.... you look at Yao, but besides him how many NBA Chinese basketball players do you see? I know it's taboo to say it, but I do think that generally speaking, certain races will be better at certain sports because of the body sizes/capabilities required.[/QUOTE]

So many societal, cultural, and environmental differences, you want to make that statement you better produce evidence (and the chinese players aren't a good example as it also has to do with what areas are scouted, and what countires are friendly to the NBA, yao was difficult to get from china and is still often difficult to deal with). All you're doing is saying "look at the end result", but not addressing how it got that way. Scientific studies have essentially dismissed the idea of biologically different races, and, as far as I know, have little to back up a statement such as that.
 
[quote name='camoor']Well.... you look at Yao, but besides him how many NBA Chinese basketball players do you see? I know it's taboo to say it, but I do think that generally speaking, certain races will be better at certain sports because of the body sizes/capabilities required.[/QUOTE]

You mean like how Blacks are better in Basketball because they're ALWAYS so tall? /note sarcasm

See Mugsy Bogues. I know I spelled his name wrong but he was the SHORTEST NBA player at the time he was there and one of it's best namely BECAUSE he was short.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']You mean like how Blacks are better in Basketball because they're ALWAYS so tall? /note sarcasm

See Mugsy Bogues. I know I spelled his name wrong but he was the SHORTEST NBA player at the time he was there and one of it's best namely BECAUSE he was short.[/QUOTE]

Mugsy Bogues. Is he an exception, or a rule?

I don't know much about basketball, but it seems to me that most of the players are tall, or tall and big guys. Now now fellas, let's not start pointing out the 3% of players like Iverson, I'm talking generally here.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']So many societal, cultural, and environmental differences, you want to make that statement you better produce evidence (and the chinese players aren't a good example as it also has to do with what areas are scouted, and what countires are friendly to the NBA, yao was difficult to get from china and is still often difficult to deal with). All you're doing is saying "look at the end result", but not addressing how it got that way. Scientific studies have essentially dismissed the idea of biologically different races, and, as far as I know, have little to back up a statement such as that.[/QUOTE]

Hmm - I do know that Asian people have different facial features from Africans, whose features are different again from Europeans. We even already know that the different racial groups are more suseptable to certain diseases. Is it so radical that other differences that can't be measured by the human eye or a tape measurer would also exist between races? Again, I know it's taboo and against the American Liberal Manifesto to say such things, but I ask you as a rational human being.
 
Shit....generally - black people arent this big in africa. (I've been there, South Africa at least) And I honestly believe that the main reason we have so many large, tall and athletic blacks in america is based on the "Breeding" done on slaves in slavery times.

The weak and slow were murdered in favor of the strong and the fast...they were also force bred... Slavery is so fucked up shit, but it's history and its made the black people of america stronger mentally and physically....literally.

Lets not point out exceptions and act like thats a guideline....that's some retarded 12 year old crap... "What about Yao Ming???" - Please, shoot yourself. That freak is hormonally altered from birth...what about the other 68 Million chinese that are shorter than 5'5....yeaaaaahhh....

On average, a black male in America is taller than a black male in Africa.

Black people arent better at sports because they have something white people dont mentally, its that they're physically better....in pretty much all aspects. Thank you "Slave Breeding".
 
Wow, you are so fucked in the head it's amazing.

I can run just as fast, jump just as high, and play just as well as an average black person.

Are you a racist?
 
[quote name='camoor']Hmm - I do know that Asian people have different facial features from Africans, whose features are different again from Europeans. We even already know that the different racial groups are more suseptable to certain diseases. Is it so radical that other differences that can't be measured by the human eye or a tape measurer would also exist between races? Again, I know it's taboo and against the American Liberal Manifesto to say such things, but I ask you as a rational human being.[/QUOTE]

They are susceptable to different diseases because of evolved biological defenses against diseases in the areas they're from (ie. sickle cell anemia being a defense against malaria, and with the lack of malaria in north america, sickle cell anemia is being bred out of the population here). But the concept of different human races is a social one, not a biological one. To suggest that one race would have an innate advantage over another (and not due to a persons physical characteristics, such as longer legs), is one that goes against current scientific evidence and one that has, as far as I know, no scientific evidence to support it. You can't simply discount all the environmental differences without providing evidence to the contrary. Also, there aren't a lot of nba players born in africa, olajuwon and mutombo being two of a few exceptions of good african born players, and I don't know of any who developed their game in africa, instead of doing it in a u.s. high school or college.

Though, to mooky, yao's mother is a professional basketball player and both his parents are very tall (not sure what his father is). According to an interview I saw, he said there are a lot of tall people in the part of china he's from (wang zhi zhi and mengke bateer are the two other tall players, though I think they're about 6-10, that formed china's "great wall" on the olympic teams. Neither has had a succesful nba career, though zhi zhi is a fan favorite).
 
When a book like "The Bell Curve" generates such hate no matter what the findings, I think many scientists decide to leave this avenue of study alone. It's much easier to write about how fat the kids are getting and get the payment for your non-controversial article in the back pages of Newsweek.

If someone's immune system adapts to survival conditions in their enviornment, why not the rest of their body? In long distance track I could never outrun the Kenyan kids, is that just a coincidence?
 
[quote name='camoor']When a book like "The Bell Curve" generates such hate no matter what the findings, I think many scientists decide to leave this avenue of study alone. It's much easier to write about how fat the kids are getting and get the payment for your non-controversial article in the back pages of Newsweek.

If someone's immune system adapts to survival conditions in their enviornment, why not the rest of their body? In long distance track I could never outrun the Kenyan kids, is that just a coincidence?[/QUOTE]

The authors of the bell curve published no scientific works pertaining to that subject beforehand (which is extremely rare for any respectable scientific piece, they usually have journal articles or scientific books to their credit before writing one for mass consumption). By doing so they skirted around the whole peer review system and were not open to the normal scientific scrutiny. The authors had no great reputation previously, and their interpretations of their findings have not been backed up by other scientific studies. The book also argued essentially that there was a biological difference in intelligence, something which has not been substantiated, the available evidence mostly points to environmental differences. For example, the scores of inner city blacks youths are comparable to the scores of isolated rural white youths.

And, Camoor, the reason kenyans can run so fast is because they are at a high altitude, it makes it so they tire less easily at lower altitudes.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The book also argued essentially that there was a biological difference in intelligence, something which has not been substantiated, the available evidence mostly points to environmental differences. For example, the scores of inner city blacks youths are comparable to the scores of isolated rural white youths.[/QUOTE]

How does that have anything to do with environmental differences? If anything it goes against your point. Not that I disagree that environment plays an important role, it just seems like a poor example.

One more thing. In the NFL it's a fact that most speed positions (wide recievers, running backs, and cornerbacks) are filled by black athletes while most "skill" positions (quarterbacks, punters, and kickers) are filled by white athletes. Coincidence, or natural differences in ability?

Funny how a discussion about sexism ended up as race and nature vs. nurture.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']How does that have anything to do with environmental differences? If anything it goes against your point. Not that I disagree that environment plays an important role, it just seems like a poor example.[/quote]

The bell curve argues for biological differences. The comparison I made (I should have elaborated) is similar because, what I was referring to in both cases, are poor, underfunded areas with a weak education system.

One more thing. In the NFL it's a fact that most speed positions (wide recievers, running backs, and cornerbacks) are filled by black athletes while most "skill" positions (quarterbacks, punters, and kickers) are filled by white athletes. Coincidence, or natural differences in ability?

Funny how a discussion about sexism ended up as race and nature vs. nurture.
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I know absolutely nothing about football or what is really required to play, so I'm not going to pretend I do.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']
And, Camoor, the reason kenyans can run so fast is because they are at a high altitude, it makes it so they tire less easily at lower altitudes.[/QUOTE]

Well I'm too tired and busy to add what I know to this debate, but I think you're slightly off in this respect. The higher elevation should give them better lung capacity and endurence, but it wouldn't make them faster, that's why they often win long distance events. The world's top sprinters often come from areas at much lower altitudes.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Well I'm too tired and busy to add what I know to this debate, but I think you're slightly off in this respect. The higher elevation should give them better lung capacity and endurence, but it wouldn't make them faster, that's why they often win long distance events. The world's top sprinters often come from areas at much lower altitudes.[/QUOTE]

ya, well I know they win races and faster was the term used in the statement I responded to, didn't really question that as I knew the reasons kenyans often win.

And training facilities also greatly benefit olympic athletes, and many countries have nothing of quality.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']The whole thing.

You said matter-of-factly that race is a dividing factor in sports.

Prove it.[/QUOTE]

I said matter-of-factly that there are physical differences between blacks and whites, physical differences which can easily affect their aptitude with respect to different sports. While there are far more similarities than differences, it is just simply a fact that there are physical differences between negroid and caucasian subsets of homo sapiens. I don't know why you'd think differently. I also would say that there is a lot of variation within these subsets, so much so that only when looking at the overall average can you fairly determine the differences that exist physically.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']ya, well I know they win races and faster was the term used in the statement I responded to, didn't really question that as I knew the reasons kenyans often win.

And training facilities also greatly benefit olympic athletes, and many countries have nothing of quality.[/QUOTE]

Kenyans are generally faster runners when they are running long distances.

I just don't buy that natural enviornment would affect absolutely everything (IE immunization system, size, speed, strength, etc) about a paticular location-centric race except for intelligence. Note that I am also leaving the door open for different types of intelligence to develop in different races.

Almost every continent with humanity has had great civilizations built atop it. Therefore I believe that great diplomatic skill, intelligence, and physical prowess exists within the genes of every race.

I just think it would be great to examine the differences in thought processes between the races. I mean, why does China spend centuries using gunpowder for fireworks, and as soon as Europeans get their hands on it they pour it down a metal tube and start shooting bullets at each other.
 
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