How even a child can pick 90% of your locks

You should really delete this post.. Don't spread the info. There is no way to defend against a these things, so it's pointless to share on a public forum. All that can be accomplished by these posts is the creation of a few new criminals.
 
I deleted the video on how to make a key, it was the wrong video anyway. I meant to post the news story.

I think it's very pertinent information and people deserve to know their locks don't keep them safe and why.
 
Worthless fear mongering.

Key bumping is a very old method for breaking chambered locks. There are even methods to break the most expensive medecos in about a minute. So instead of being a worthless fuck all who merely stirs the pot for the sake of a little attention to break up the monotony of his otherwise mundane and worthless life I'll provide a few ideas for home security.

1. Get a safe that's too big, too heavy, or too bolted onto something for someone to steal it without attracting a lot of unwanted attention. This won't protect electronics but it can protect jewelry, cash and keepsakes.
2. Get better locks. While no lock is 100% secure there are plenty of models that do take a bit of time to pick and can be enough to deter a thief only looking for small valuables. Double deadbolts and steel doors work tip fucking top if you can afford them as well.
3. Get a home security system. Get one from a reputable company and not one of the Mormon door-to-door scam artists. Again not perfect but the signs and decals are a great deterrent to thieves.
4. Get a dog or a neighbor who has nothing to do all day to watch the house. Yes, dogs can be drugged or killed and yes neighbors can covet your crap but manipulating either is [hopefully] too much effort for a common thief.
5. Get an insurance policy. If it's gone, it's gone. The best you can do is document your possessions well and replace any lost items you can.

No method, or combination of methods, is entirely foolproof. A determined enough attacker is going to get what he or she wants.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I didn't know Mormons sell home security. Link?[/quote]
They sell all kinds of crap door to door during the summer months. Not only alarms but magazine subscriptions, pest control systems and all kinds of worthless trinkets from overseas.

APX or Apex alarms is the biggest offender. There was another but I can't recall the name at the moment.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']They sell all kinds of crap door to door during the summer months. Not only alarms but magazine subscriptions, pest control systems and all kinds of worthless trinkets from overseas.

APX or Apex alarms is the biggest offender. There was another but I can't recall the name at the moment.[/QUOTE]

I did a cntrl-F for "Mormon" on your link and found nothing.

I'm sorry but not one thing you listed can be attributed to Mormons. Unless you are trying to imply that Mormons, in general, love to get involved in door to door businesses. There is certainly no cultural or religious direct motivation for door-to-door sales though, for Mormons.

I suppose you think Catholics usually do telemarketing calls?
 
First on the security system point don't bother unless the alarm is connected directly to the police department. If it goes off and notifies them immediately then fine but services like ADT don't do that. They notify their call center who in TURN notifies the police.
Seriously I was watching a story on Dateline or 20/20 where they hired an ex-crook and he got the valuables out lickety split and the cops hadn't shown up yet. I think 15 minutes may have already passed. He got caught ONE time and that was by the Neighborhood Watch.
I definitely agree on the safe idea from cochese but I also like the idea of hiding your valuables in plain sight or slightly out of it. How often would you expect a desk to have a hidden compartment with valuables for example.
edit: With the news story I'm referring the guy breaking into a house or two WITH an alarm.
 
I know a lot of people have heard of this lock bumping before. But I hadn't, and nobody I have showed except cochese has. They have all been rather shocked.

Anyway, I'm glad I know now. I will plan to get some kind of lockless deadbolt or bar to place across my house door.

Obviously, if someone wants in badly enough they can get in. It isn't hard to break a window. But being able to enter so easily with so little noise or destruction is rather alarming to me.
 
It's just one of those things you can't worry to much about. You can have the best locks in the world, and a burglar could just break through a window etc.

Probably the safest place to be would be in a nice high rise (i.e. pricey and in a nice area) with controlled entry as people can't get to the windows if you're on the 20th floor very easily, and it's harder for them to sneak into the building and pick your lock with so many people around etc.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I did a cntrl-F for "Mormon" on your link and found nothing.

I'm sorry but not one thing you listed can be attributed to Mormons. Unless you are trying to imply that Mormons, in general, love to get involved in door to door businesses. There is certainly no cultural or religious direct motivation for door-to-door sales though, for Mormons.

I suppose you think Catholics usually do telemarketing calls?[/quote]
Woops sorry. Apex Alarm is only 7 years old and have only started raising suspicions in the last couple years.

Todd Pederson is a Mormon and contributed heavily to Romnicus and his PAC. It's virtually impossible to start proving which of APX's employees (or subcontractors) are Mormon or not without official church records and payroll reports. I can't really produce either of those. A quick google will produce plenty of anecdotal evidence that many of APX's managers are former BYU students, came from Utah and/or have missionary experience. Salesmen are recruited wherever APX can get them but the core APX business consists of Mormons running out of Utah.

I would say everybody except for the people I have showed that link to already knew of APX and/or other mormon-run summer sales gigs.

So no direct links. Sorry, thrusty. Next time I will go back to making sure my post is virgin tight so you can go back to pretending they don't exist rather than latching onto a trivial point.
 
oh so you mean mormons with jobs i get it.

kind of like catholics that sell bikes at a bike store owned by another catholic and jews that sell couches at a furniture store owened by another jew.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']oh so you mean mormons with jobs i get it.

kind of like catholics that sell bikes at a bike store owned by another catholic and jews that sell couches at a furniture store owened by another jew.[/quote]
No not like that at all. Everyone knows that Jews only sell diamonds, pastrami sandwiches and media.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Worthless fear mongering.

4. Get a dog or a neighbor who has nothing to do all day to watch the house. Yes, dogs can be drugged or killed and yes neighbors can covet your crap but manipulating either is [hopefully] too much effort for a common thief.
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Last I knew, in Michigan anyways, if someone breaks into your house and a dog attacks them and causes permanent damage, they can sue your fucking ass so hard.

Also, I am so going to get one of these wondrous keys.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Woops sorry. Apex Alarm is only 7 years old and have only started raising suspicions in the last couple years.

Todd Pederson is a Mormon and contributed heavily to Romnicus and his PAC. It's virtually impossible to start proving which of APX's employees (or subcontractors) are Mormon or not without official church records and payroll reports. I can't really produce either of those. A quick google will produce plenty of anecdotal evidence that many of APX's managers are former BYU students, came from Utah and/or have missionary experience. Salesmen are recruited wherever APX can get them but the core APX business consists of Mormons running out of Utah.

I would say everybody except for the people I have showed that link to already knew of APX and/or other mormon-run summer sales gigs.

So no direct links. Sorry, thrusty. Next time I will go back to making sure my post is virgin tight so you can go back to pretending they don't exist rather than latching onto a trivial point.[/QUOTE]

It's very possible that particular company is owned by and likes to hire mormons. Wouldn't be the first. Howard Hughes was famous for preferring to hire mormons (even though he wasn't one), the CIA/DIA/DoD recruits mormons very heavily, which is also well known (Launguage skills, fiercely loyal and patriotic, low incidents of vices). Casinos in Vegas also love hiring mormons.

Jews are also famous for preferring to hire and work with other jews. I guess that makes sense.

It just sounded like you were making a blanket stereotype about "door to door salesmen" often being mormons. I'd thought I'd heard all the stereotypes, but that was new to me. I am sorry if I interpreted your post wrong.
 
The best defense imo is a very low profile. Keep the curtains shut and don't talk too much about what you have, even to acquaintances (close friends are ok). I may be fooling myself, but I like to believe that most burglers will go for the sure thing rather than breaking into a random house/apartment hoping to strike gold.
 
But it sounds like you need a special key with specials cuts made into it. I didn't search, but are these bumping keys easy to find or make? It doesn't sound like any old key would do the trick.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']But it sounds like you need a special key with specials cuts made into it. I didn't search, but are these bumping keys easy to find or make? It doesn't sound like any old key would do the trick.[/QUOTE]

Look at the suggested videos on the right of the page while watching this one.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I know a lot of people have heard of this lock bumping before. But I hadn't, and nobody I have showed except cochese has. They have all been rather shocked.

Anyway, I'm glad I know now. I will plan to get some kind of lockless deadbolt or bar to place across my house door.

Obviously, if someone wants in badly enough they can get in. It isn't hard to break a window. But being able to enter so easily with so little noise or destruction is rather alarming to me.[/QUOTE]

When I went to the local locksmith they got a tv showing this stuff, and right next to it is bump proof lock.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']But it sounds like you need a special key with specials cuts made into it. I didn't search, but are these bumping keys easy to find or make? It doesn't sound like any old key would do the trick.[/QUOTE]
Yea its easy to make.
 
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']That's why I keep telling the wife: I'm getting a shotgun or a German Shepherd with the next house.[/quote]

Burns- "I suggest you leave immediatly"
Homer- "Or what? You'll release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark they shot bees at you?"
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[quote name='thrustbucket']Why not get a german shepherd with a shotgun built on?[/quote]

Most German Shepherds with built in shotguns are improperly configured.

On male models, the trigger is typically attached to the scrotum and any pump action is in the dog's belly.

38% of burglars have vomited at this display. That figure climbs to 61% if the phrase "Red Rocket" is shouted repeatedly during the breakin.

On female models, the use of gloves is suggested in the operation of the trigger.

Then, there are the host of problems when the shotgun is installed backwards.

In 2004, veterinarian John Williamsburg of Boise died from injuries while treating a dog with constipation.
 
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