How the PS3 Is Really Doing

Best stat:

First four months sales after respective launches.

360: 1.02 Million
PS3: 1.06 Million

It's important for two reasons.

1) Selling more, obviously.
2) Selling more, with competition all around them by an established 360 with cool games. And hot as hell Nintendo Wii with super cheap price point.

360 had nothing to fight against (in terms of next gen).
PS3 has had to battle through 2 giants, and tons of negative press.

EDIT:
I've thought of a 3rd thingy.
Don't forget the bloated price of the PS3. Put that into the mix and yeah, PS3 is doing fine. Case closed... or is it?
 
Don't really care about the rest of the video.

I thought it was the LittleBigPlanet music playing in the background and thought, man, it sounds a lot like The Go! Team.

And it was. I should listen to that CD again. It bored me after a month.
 
[quote name='dallow']Best stat:


2) Selling more, with competition all around them by an established 360 with cool games. And hot as hell Nintendo Wii with super cheap price point.
[/quote]
I think that 2nd point could kinda be flicked around too. I know for myself and many, actually all of my friends, there was no reason to buy a 360 considering PS2 and GC were still mainstream I guess and games were constantly being released, and the 360 didn't have much good games to buy at all. Now since all the consoles have been released, more people including myself and half my friends have all gotten next gen consoles since that's what games will now be made for...if you know what I'm saying.

Like...there was no reason to buy any next gen console a year ago, now there is...I'm actually surprised the 360 sold as well as it did and that the PS3 is so far behind. I really thought the PS3 would sell more...even with it's high price.
 
[quote name='Spades22']I think that 2nd point could kinda be flicked around too. I know for myself and many, actually all of my friends, there was no reason to buy a 360 considering PS2 and GC were still mainstream I guess and games were constantly being released, and the 360 didn't have much good games to buy at all. Now since all the consoles have been released, more people including myself and half my friends have all gotten next gen consoles since that's what games will now be made for...if you know what I'm saying.

Like...there was no reason to buy any next gen console a year ago, now there is...I'm actually surprised the 360 sold as well as it did and that the PS3 is so far behind. I really thought the PS3 would sell more...even with it's high price.[/quote]
You said 360 didn't really have any good games early on (save for a few of course), but, same thing for PS3.
They're both still babies, still being nurtured.
Neither system has matured into what they can be yet.

And I don't remember GC being that mainstream, they were really third fiddle here in America.
Didn't MS kill the XBOX as soon as the 360 came out?

There are still lots of games coming out for PS2, and have in the recent months.
 
Ya but the good games wasn't the point of what I was overall trying to say...I was saying that in defense to the other post about 360 HAVING good games now.

Hmm how can I say what I was TRYING to say in simple terms...

Ok so:
- Xbox/PS2/GC games
 
[quote name='dallow']
2) Selling more, with competition all around them by an established 360 with cool games. And hot as hell Nintendo Wii with super cheap price point.
[/quote]

Except there weren't as many 360 consoles available after four months. How can you sell more when you don't have as much to sell?
 
[quote name='gunm']Except there weren't as many 360 consoles available after four months. How can you sell more when you don't have as much to sell?[/QUOTE]I was able to walk into any store and find a 360 as early as the end of February. There were probably the same amount of 360s, just scattered around the world. Sony had all their PS3's sent to Japan and US, as they didn't launch worldwide until recently, which should be point number 4.
 
[quote name='gunm']Except there weren't as many 360 consoles available after four months. How can you sell more when you don't have as much to sell?[/quote]

What you quated, think was trying to saythat the PS3 sold really well, even with the XB and Wii out on the market. And with the XB, there are already "Good games" and plenty of units floating around so it is more or less "established".
 
[quote name='dallow']I thought it was the LittleBigPlanet music playing in the background and thought, man, it sounds a lot like The Go! Team..[/quote]

At the end of the video, I think it DOES say it is those people who made the music.
 
Stupid video.

It's no better than any of the numerous videos bashing the PS3.

I'm amazed at the amount of time we spend arguing over dumb videos made by prepubescent nerds with a loose familiarity of a basic movie editor and a few statistics.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']I'm amazed at the amount of time we spend arguing over dumb videos made by prepubescent nerds with a loose familiarity of a basic movie editor and a few statistics.[/QUOTE]I'm amazed at the amount of time we spend arguing over dumb posts made by prepubescent nerds with a loose familiarity of a basic spell checking program and a few statistics.
 
Typical Fanboy video, some points are correct, some are false.

Some things left out

- The controllers keep on crapping out
- Home IS not yet Launched so any speculation on that is tarded
- No mention on the quality for Sony's tech support to mirror the Xbox 360's
- And also fails to talk about all the great 1st party and 3rd party titles exclusive to the 360 as well

The overall message is true though, idiots have been overestimating the demise of the ps3 like the morons they are.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']I'm amazed at the amount of time we spend arguing over dumb posts made by prepubescent nerds with a loose familiarity of a basic spell checking program and a few statistics.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid we can't give them that much credit.
 
With Sony's brand name and incredible dominance last generation, I don't think it can be anything but a huge victory for Microsoft to see that their console(which was limited in stock much more than PS3 during its first four months) sold so comparably to the PS3.

It's a good thing for Microsoft, and a sobering thing for Sony, not necessarily bad, but they will have a much more realistic competitor chomping at their heels this generation.

All these numbers show is how close things are. Sony really should have blown them away out of the gate with the Sony loyal PS2 fanbase behind them, but they are making the transition from PS2 to PS3 much more difficult than it should be, not to mention lacking good, unique software to motivate purchases. $130 to suddenly $600? That's going to happen very slowly, and it gives MS even more time to snatch away those PS2 owners that will define the current generation's top seller.
 
[quote name='jer7583']With Sony's brand name and incredible dominance last generation, I don't think it can be anything but a huge victory for Microsoft to see that their console(which was limited in stock much more than PS3 during its first four months) sold so comparably to the PS3.

It's a good thing for Microsoft, and a sobering thing for Sony, not necessarily bad, but they will have a much more realistic competitor chomping at their heels this generation.

All these numbers show is how close things are. Sony really should have blown them away out of the gate with the Sony loyal PS2 fanbase behind them, but they are making the transition from PS2 to PS3 much more difficult than it should be, not to mention lacking good, unique software to motivate purchases. $130 to suddenly $600? That's going to happen very slowly, and it gives MS even more time to snatch away those PS2 owners that will define the current generation's top seller.[/QUOTE]

Make your mind up. You're one of those people who have been overstating the demise of the PS3 since day fucking 1 (okay, to be fair, it was closer to day fucking 9, but I digress...). If the PS3 is not selling, then you can't, by comparison, act as if the same sales (and let's not bicker about a few thousand units - it's a statistical dead heat at that point) which mean Sony is about to go out of business, have no idea what they're doing, and make them the laughingstock of the game industry, suddenly mean that Microsoft has immense goodwill, knows what they're doing, and have awesome sales to be proud of. In so doing, you're understating Xbox sales last generation. They never surpassed PS2 because PS2 beat them to market by 12 months - but sales never slumped on either system (the same can be said for both current-gen consoles).

If you look at US, EU, and JP sales, with the exception of Nintendo, things are really playing themselves out in damn near the same way they did the last generation. The 360 is slightly ahead, but that's only because it can be. That was an option it did not have the last time around.

I understand your point about MS sales, but you're really ignoring the sales gap b/w Sony and MS in the US last generation; it wasn't as massive as you think. Now, if you were talking about Nokia's sales of the "N-Gage 2" selling comparable with the PS3, then perhaps you have a point...
 
OMG, that was god-awful.

This fan boy crap must end, I remember once nearly getting into a fight when I was at school over a "Sega Genesis is better than the SNES" argument. That was a dark time in my life, I'm not going back there.

Just be happy with whatever console you buy, as long as you're happy who cares what other people think.

We must stop this madness now. I read another post today where someone said "they would dance on the grave of the PS3 yet". Come on people, COME ON !!!!
 
[quote name='Zoglog']Typical Fanboy video, some points are correct, some are false.

Some things left out

- The controllers keep on crapping out
- Home IS not yet Launched so any speculation on that is tarded
- No mention on the quality for Sony's tech support to mirror the Xbox 360's
- And also fails to talk about all the great 1st party and 3rd party titles exclusive to the 360 as well

The overall message is true though, idiots have been overestimating the demise of the ps3 like the morons they are.[/quote]

WTF controllers keep crapping out? Mine doesn't you probably need to get another or change the ps3.
 
There's fuzzy terminology being thrown around all over the place.

There's a big difference between units sold to retailers from the manufacturer (units "shipped"), and units sold to consumers from the retailer. Sony typically cites units shipped, and pays no attention to what happens to their systems once they are out in the wild. I don't know where Microsoft gets its figures, but if anyone has any sources, feel free.

This video overlooks the overwhelming anecdotal evidence that we have seen with both console launches, which I would argue holds more validity than any of the numbers that have gone through the PR washing machine. You couldn't find a 360 in the wild until just about this time last year, and there are numerous posts from people all around the country to back that up.

The PS3 has been easy to find since a few weeks after its launch, and are currently well stocked all across the country. Again, this has been anecdotally verified by numerous people in varied locations.

So despite a huge shortage of 360s, and an over-abundance of PS3s, they still manage to sell the same amount of systems. Given the situation, I'd call that a victory for the 360.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']I'm amazed at the amount of time we spend arguing over dumb videos made by prepubescent nerds with a loose familiarity of a basic movie editor and a few statistics.[/quote]

Well put. :applause:
 
Myke, I was under the impression that MS was ~100mil behind Sony last gen. But those numbers might be wrong.

My point was that this isn't a bad thing for either system, that they are quite equal. However, MS should be happy to be on equal ground with Sony after last gen's joke of a race.

As for the doom and gloom, I'm done with that. I want Sony to show me something worthwhile, and I'm glad MS has a competitor to destroy the overpriced, stupid Elite SKU.
 
I would have given credibility to the video until the end when they pulled out the stupid Blu Ray - HDDVD format figures and support call junk, then it became FanBoy "pulling at straws", a dvd movie has never been played on my PS2 and when/if I get a PS3 a blu-ray movie will never be played on it because when I move to the next move format I will have a good stand alone player for playing that format...Hence the difference in "Game Console" and "Movie Player"
 
[quote name='help1']Hoarders drive up sales. I know 3 guys who bought ps3, and they bought them just to hoard them.[/QUOTE]

Hi, welcome to FIVE MONTHS AGO.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']Hi, welcome to FIVE MONTHS AGO.[/quote]

Hehe, yeah.

And cool, you like Wire, and I guess Big Black.
 
Why buy a stand alone when the one you are getting is as good as, if not better than a stand alone.

That is the difference this generation, you could make a case that the PS2 DVD player was inferior. PS3 is a damn fine BR player.
 
[quote name='bstan21']Why buy a stand alone when the one you are getting is as good as, if not better than a stand alone.

That is the difference this generation, you could make a case that the PS2 DVD player was inferior. PS3 is a damn fine BR player.[/quote]The PS2 was a pretty good player when it came out. Not top of the line, mind you, but still decent. As time went on though, the quality players got cheaper and cheaper and it became far less of a selling point and got bested by many other devices.

I'd have to imaigne something similar will end up happening to the PS3 should Blu-Ray hang around as a movie format for the console's life.
 
Just like all sony products they start off expensive and then they become resonable... The ps3 is doing fine... and statistically its doing better than the xbox during the same time. Lair and Heavenly Sword need to come out, be good games, and no delays... the ps3 has ports (oblivion, nba2k, sonic) of 360 titles, and that's not good, and that's why there is a great importance on games like Lair and Heavenly Sword, because besides Resistance, they are the 3rd and 4th games, that are purely PS3, and not a port to or from the 360. Xbox didn't really get going until a year after its release when gears of war came out... all throughout 2006 for the quarters , 1, 2, and 3 360 sales were slow...

ps3 is doing well cause look, there's hardly anything other than price that you can say negative about the system. Everyone has their preference, but overall the system is performing well.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Myke, I was under the impression that MS was ~100mil behind Sony last gen. But those numbers might be wrong.

My point was that this isn't a bad thing for either system, that they are quite equal. However, MS should be happy to be on equal ground with Sony after last gen's joke of a race.

As for the doom and gloom, I'm done with that. I want Sony to show me something worthwhile, and I'm glad MS has a competitor to destroy the overpriced, stupid Elite SKU.[/QUOTE]

I think the PS2 only sold a touch over 100 million - that puts the # of Xboxes at roughly 1:2 (about 50 million).

I'm perfectly fine with competition this gen. I would have gotten a great deal more use out of the Xbox if it had been closer to the PS2 in sales (and generated more 3rd party support - damn near every multiplatform title available I bought the Xbox version of - but to regret it later, given the early model PS3/Xbox 360 BC differences).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think the PS2 only sold a touch over 100 million - that puts the # of Xboxes at roughly 1:2 (about 50 million).

I'm perfectly fine with competition this gen. I would have gotten a great deal more use out of the Xbox if it had been closer to the PS2 in sales (and generated more 3rd party support - damn near every multiplatform title available I bought the Xbox version of - but to regret it later, given the early model PS3/Xbox 360 BC differences).[/quote]Wait, 50 million Xboxes? It topped out at just under 25 million worldwide, compared to 21 million Cubes, and 111 million PS2s through 9/06.

http://vgchartz.com/worldcons.php?date=38961&sort=1
(yep, vgcharts.org just got hip - vgchartZ!)
 
[quote name='botticus']Wait, 50 million Xboxes? It topped out at just under 25 million worldwide, compared to 21 million Cubes, and 111 million PS2s through 9/06.

http://vgchartz.com/worldcons.php?date=38961&sort=1
(yep, vgcharts.org just got hip - vgchartZ!)[/quote]

Yeah, I was scratching my head on that one too Myke. Better check out the numbers.

PS2 was far and away the leader last generation.
 
In actual technical terms, and based on most reviews as well, the PS3 bests all of Sony's stand alone players and is faster than Samsung's. It's an excellent Blu Ray player and with the bluetooth remote it is full featured. All it is is really lacking is six channel audio outputs for its SACD playback [which it is capable of] and surround codecs. However, most people won't use that and will opt for optical out or straight HDMI. And so far, the PS3 has had problems with oinly ONE disc, but that was for a very small release [Chronos] and it was the company's fauly not the PS3's.

Truth is, the PS3 had to compete with

the PS2 [still the best selling console]
the DS Lite [the best selling handheld]
the Wii
the Xbox 360

so I think it's done an incredible first run and I think it should get its lead back sometime soon, what you people fail to realize is Sony markets two base consoles and one portable, the Playstation brand as a whole [PS2, PS3, PSP] has more install base than the Wii or the 360 or even the DS lite [57 million consoles total in the US for PS3, PS2, and PSP] AND even more install base than the Wii, 360, and DS lite combined [22 million consoles]

Note, I am speaking US only, and as a side note, I don't know why people credit Nintendo to making gaming mainstream, maybe bringing in a new customer base [though it's honestly a small one in my opinion] but considering the amount of Playstation 2 consoles sold in the US alone, that would lead me to believe that roughly 15 percent of the population has owned a PS2 at one point in time: that seems pretty mainstream to me [considering that 5 percent penetration is enough to be mainstream these days]
 
Oh yeah, definetly good that there's more heated competition this generation. Doesn't stop MS from raping us with the Points system and the Elite, though. (As in, have to buy more points than you'll actually want to use, and that the elite should have just been a price drop on the Premium, IMO)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Egads. Well, when I'm wrong, I'm *way* wrong. Duly noted.[/quote]:lol: I was worried I was missing some reference to a hypothetical comparison or something in your post. But yeah, needless to say, there will be no console with 70% marketshare this generation. Even with a year's head start, the 360 only has 56%.
 
I think this gen is going to be pretty interesting because of both MS and Ninty gaining a lot of ground (compared to last gen) and Sony losing it. I'd say by the end, they will each be about even. There may be a difference of several million between them, but not enough to declare a true 'winner'.
 
It's just a matter of perception, no more and no less. Sony is no more going anywhere than Nintendo disappeared after the N64. Everyone expects every generation to be just like the one before it, which, hopefully we're starting to learn, is silly. Nobody dominates forever, but that doesn't mean you can't be profitable or successful.

When a guy who talks about how he's going to zoom up to the top of Mt. Everest (and in fact, did just that in the past) takes his sweet ass time getting halfway there, it SEEMS like a failure, even if halfway up the mountain isn't a bad place to be.

That said, the "but the 360 only sold so many units four months in!" isn't a valid comparison in either direction, since there are so many mitigating factors, like supply and other looming presumed-superior consoles with unknown pricepoints. Remember: when the 360 launched, nobody knew anything about the other consoles, including that $600 you'd need for a PS3. Whether the PS3 (or the 360) is gaining momentum or losing it can't be determined from a static set of numbers.
 
[quote name='trq'] Whether the PS3 (or the 360) is gaining momentum or losing it can't be determined from a static set of numbers.[/QUOTE]

Good point. The only way we'll know the clear "winner" this generation is when the PS4 and XBox720 come out. ;)

Still, having competition is going to prevent stagnation... because let's face it, lots of Ps2 games were shovelware throughout its lifespan... just cashing in on the installed base and trying to make a quick few million before it got out that the game was total trash... I'd rather have a few _good_ games than many _mediocre_ games any day...

And competition will hopefully produce a better crop of games, with more emphasis on being "better" than the rest (with exceptions of course), rather than mountains of shovelware, sequelitis, and boring also-rans.
 
I've had both the 360 and the PS3. IMHO, the PS3 will be around for several years longer than the 360. It's got all sorts of cutting edge technology. Say what you will about Sony, they didn't skimp on the PS3 which is going to give it legs in the long run.
 
[quote name='torifile']I've had both the 360 and the PS3. IMHO, the PS3 will be around for several years longer than the 360. It's got all sorts of cutting edge technology. Say what you will about Sony, they didn't skimp on the PS3 which is going to give it legs in the long run.[/quote]

Having cutting edge technology does not guarantee the product will last any longer than it's competitors.
 
[quote name='torifile']I've had both the 360 and the PS3. IMHO, the PS3 will be around for several years longer than the 360. It's got all sorts of cutting edge technology. Say what you will about Sony, they didn't skimp on the PS3 which is going to give it legs in the long run.[/QUOTE]

That's a factor, too, but not one I'd stake money on. Sony might say the PS3 is on the ten year plan, but when the 720 and the WiiTwo roll around, the smart money says the PS4 will be right along side them.
 
[quote name='trq']That's a factor, too, but not one I'd stake money on. Sony might say the PS3 is on the ten year plan, but when the 720 and the WiiTwo roll around, the smart money says the PS4 will be right along side them.[/QUOTE]



I'm wondering if Wiitwo(nice name) will have 360, or 720 like graphics... I'd like to see Sony release the ps4, last... and the next time, when you release last.. you have to have the best graphics... right now the ps3 is similar and I'm saying this assuming that even when they tap the full power of the ps3, and 360 that they both are going to have games that look just as good as the other.
 
[quote name='Mechafenris']because let's face it, lots of Ps2 games were shovelware throughout its lifespan... just cashing in on the installed base and trying to make a quick few million before it got out that the game was total trash...[/QUOTE]
I don't really think that's limited to the PS2. In fact, most of the "shovelware" tends to be multiplatform stuff (licensed games and the like). It's just something that happens when a platform has a large installed base. Just look at some of the crap that's coming out for the DS. I don't think this indicates that either Sony or Nintendo got "soft" from lack of competition. There's plenty of competition -- from other games on the same platform.
 
I think that this generation every console will fail.

And gaming will end.

This generation will be the end of gaming. Soon we will be called, Cheap Ass Movie Watchers or Book Readers.

GAMING will not exist in 5 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
[quote name='dallow']Best stat:

First four months sales after respective launches.

360: 1.02 Million
PS3: 1.06 Million

It's important for two reasons.

1) Selling more, obviously.
2) Selling more, with competition all around them by an established 360 with cool games. And hot as hell Nintendo Wii with super cheap price point.

360 had nothing to fight against (in terms of next gen).
PS3 has had to battle through 2 giants, and tons of negative press.

EDIT:
I've thought of a 3rd thingy.
Don't forget the bloated price of the PS3. Put that into the mix and yeah, PS3 is doing fine. Case closed... or is it?[/quote]

I think to get a true outlook on the way things are going is to see a breakdown of sales per region.

We all know the 360 doesn't sell very well in Japan. That's a given, and most people don't even really associate the 360 as being a major player in the console business over there.

I mean, the PS3 could be selling like gangbusters in Japan but only selling a few hundred thousand in NA and Europe (I know this isn't the case), and that could skew the worldwide sales numbers a bit.

So, in my opinion, it would be better to see what the numbers look like in Japan, North America and Europe. Then, I think you'd get a more accurate picture at how well the PS3 is doing compared to its competition.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I think to get a true outlook on the way things are going is to see a breakdown of sales per region.

We all know the 360 doesn't sell very well in Japan. That's a given, and most people don't even really associate the 360 as being a major player in the console business over there.

I mean, the PS3 could be selling like gangbusters in Japan but only selling a few hundred thousand in NA and Europe (I know this isn't the case), and that could skew the worldwide sales numbers a bit.

So, in my opinion, it would be better to see what the numbers look like in Japan, North America and Europe. Then, I think you'd get a more accurate picture at how well the PS3 is doing compared to its competition.[/quote]

You're right.
 
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