I have an intense dislike of George W Bush.

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First off Republicans have given up any claim to being fiscally responsible for decades.

Reagan tripled his deficit and W managed to turn a surplus into the largest deficit ever. IMHO it is worse to borrow and spend then it is to tax and spend.

Also W is much more of a liar than Clinton ever was. W and his cohorts lied about a war, nothing but flat out lies and BS. Peoples jobs were threatened if they were to tell the truth about the cost of W's prescription drug plan. W's Social Security plan involves borrowing two trillion dollars (which they keep forgetting to mention) and he keeps calling a crisis a problem that is a possiblilty decades from now.

Basically Bin laden still lives and now Iraq looks to be turning into an even bigger mess. Basically I have been reading the threads here and most of the Conservative posters are run of the mill talking point spouters, I cannot see how a rational or intellingent person can be a W supporter.
 
Er not posting almost 6k posts makes me a newb? Try it big fella if you feel up to the challenge . Is it safe to say you are a Bush supporter?



Or try several at a time, you do know your nose can be used as a projectile cannon?-zionoverfire

On edit I can say yes this seems like a typical W supporter to me.
 
Yadda yadda yadda, I hate Bush too, I don't make pointless topics about how much I hate him.

If you REALLY hate him then be helpful and load a gun, either shot him or yourself, either way will help.
 
President Bush has been a great President and if u don't like his policies get outa here.
Also OP your misinformed Clinton made the defecit smaller and this country has technically always been in a defecit. Also this nation is at war and yes wars cost money so yes the nation is in a larger defecit.
Yes UBL is still at large and he really doesnt have all to much power he'd just look good to get. And I personally don't mind that ass hiding in a cave where he cant harm Americans all he can do is make shitty tapes. Also Bill Clinton had 3 occasions to get UBL most notably in 1996 when Sudan offered to give us him, but of course the Clinton Amin. refused and he whent to the safe haven of Afghanistan. If Pres Clinton quit notably a horrible president would've fought terror in the 90's and put pressure on Iraq these two wars wouldnt be fought today. Please watch Farenhype 9/11, Celsius 41 11, and Burried in the sand, the deception of America, and maybe you'll change your opinion.

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PS:Sorry for any spelling/grammar issues ill fix them
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']President Bush has been a great President and if u don't like his policies get outa here.[/quote]

You know, a good troll doesn't make it so obvious.
 
America is a safer place with President Bush as our president and I am a very intelligent Person that noes a ton about politics(even though my writing sucks)but anyways OP your calling the 61 million Americans who voted for the President stupid. Also the main stream mostly liberal media whants us to think Iraq is a disaster but watch the news and you notice the voilence is only taking place in consitrated areas and not all over Iraq the media will never report on the good things happening in Iraq,... fredom of many Iraqis, schools being built, and the many day freedoms us americans endore. Please stop watching CNN,CBS,NBC,ABC and all that left wing shit, watch Fox news which is fair and balanced.
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']President Bush has been a great President and if u don't like his policies get outa here.
Also OP your misinformed Clinton made the defecit smaller and this country has technically always been in a defecit. Also this nation is at war and yes wars cost money so yes the nation is in a larger defecit.
Yes UBL is still at large and he really doesnt have all to much power he'd just look good to get. And I personally dont mind that ass hiding in a cave where he cant harm americans all he can do is make shitty tapes. Also Bill Clinton had 3 occastions to get UBL most notably in 1996 when sudan offered to give us him, but of course the clinton admin. refused and he whent to the safe haven of Afghanistan. If Pres Clinton quit notably a horrible president woul've fought terror in the 90's and put pressure on Iraq these two wars wouldnt be fought today. Please watch Farenhype 9/11.

PS:Sorry for any spelling/grammar issues ill fix them[/quote]

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[quote name='alonzomourning23']
and the many day freedoms us americans endore.
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I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I'm having a hard time deciphering this line. Anyone care to translate?[/quote]

Well what I mean by this, is in America you can have this very topic and say what you want about the government and express your opinions. Which is exactly what we are all doing on this forum. Under Saddam Hussein's regime if you denounced the government in any way, you were either tortured, had a body party amputated,(of course w/o a pain killer) or executed, or hung. Even children were beaten to near death b/c of there parents actions and the parents had to watch this. Does this happen in America? I think you know the answer. There's many examples I can give but I think this is the best one to give.
 
[quote name='MrFriday18'][quote name='alonzomourning23']
and the many day freedoms us americans endore.
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I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I'm having a hard time deciphering this line. Anyone care to translate?[/quote]

Well what I mean by this, is in America you can have this very topic and say what you whant about the goverment and express your opinions. Which is exactly what we are all doing on this forum. Under Sadam Hussein's regime if you denosed the goverment in any way, you were either tortured, had a body party amputated,(of course w/o a pain killer) or exucuted,or hung. Even children were beaten to near death b/c of there parents actions and the parents had to watch this. Does this happen in America? I think you know the answer. Theres many examples I can give but I think this is the best one to give.[/quote]

And in America when you criticize the President, you have to read the barely coherent response of a bad speller.
 
Not all of them are stupid im sure many are just uninformed. I wouldnt think this if people like the guy im quoting werent legion among W supporters.

President Bush has been a great President and if u don't like his policies get outa here.

Really he hasnt. But tell you what ill leave if you leave first. you must have disagree with him some time if not then you are a brainwashed tool.

Also OP your misinformed Clinton made the defecit smaller and this country has technically always been in a defecit.

Under Clinton there was a balanced budget and the growth of the National Debt finally stopped growing. I am aware about there usually being a deficit I was talking about size. Where was I misinformed.

Also this nation is at war and yes wars cost money so yes the nation is in a larger defecit.

So cutting taxes while increasing spending had nothing to do with it? Look at Reagan he tripled his.
 
To David pointless?I am trying to engage the some of the rushbots in a dialogue, I really do want to see what makes them tick. You dont like it then dont post.
 
You're so delusional MSUT77. Go read your Constitution and tell me one simple thing; Can the President of the United States spend one dime of government money.

When you have the answer to that question come back and tell us.
 
BTW David I am the OP so how can I be making anything OT? I did put it in the correct part of the forum.

And basically I am getting proven right, look at the posts. Basically just telling me to leave the country and a few pathetic insults.
 
[quote name='Msut77']He sets the budget, he makes spending proposals. He signs and vetoes what congress wants to pass and even if we are talking about W well Congress is Republican.

So yes he is the spending the money, care to try again?

http://www.factcheck.org/article139.html[/quote]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

The President does not set the budget. He does not spend money. Presidents submit a budget proposal, he has nothing to do with deciding it.

All spending bills, ALL, start in the House. They can chose to adopt a Presidential submission but few if any Congress' Houses do.

Congress is Republican but they have not passed one budget bill GW has submitted intact.

I guess you're the newest addition to the hockey helmeted, short bus riding, chronically masturbating woder tard roster huh. Go read it again before you look like a bigger fool than you already are. Here's the link to help you out WT... U.S. Constitution
 
Congress in a large part works with what the President proposes, congress can of course bring spending bills to the floor but they prefer to simply add pork to large popular bills.

Congress is Republican but they have not passed one budget bill GW has submitted intact.

Let me check the numbers, BUT this could be true if it was merely 99.9% of what he wanted. Either way more than enough to contribute to the deficit.

The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 established the executive budget process, which requires the President to prepare and submit a comprehensive federal budget to Congress each year for the fiscal year that begins on October 1. The President sets out his national priorities and proposes policy initiatives in the federal budget submitted to Congress soon after Congress convenes in January. The President's budget submission provides him the opportunity to influence the agenda for the upcoming budget and policy debate in Congress.
 
[quote name='Msut77']The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 established the executive budget process, which requires the President to prepare and submit a comprehensive federal budget to Congress each year for the fiscal year that begins on October 1. The President sets out his national priorities and proposes policy initiatives in the federal budget submitted to Congress soon after Congress convenes in January. The President's budget submission provides him the opportunity to influence the agenda for the upcoming budget and policy debate in Congress.[/quote]

[quote name='Earlier in this thread, Msut77']He sets the budget, he makes spending proposals. He signs and vetoes what congress wants to pass and even if we are talking about W well Congress is Republican.

So yes he is the spending the money, care to try again?[/quote]

I've highlighted the key phrases for you. Now do you see you were incorrect?
 
I guess you're the newest addition to the hockey helmeted, short bus riding, chronically masturbating woder tard roster huh. Go read it again before you look like a bigger fool than you already are. Here's the link to help you out WT.
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Why oh why do I bother being polite? Tell you what we can continue this for a little while and if you do not stop the BS or apologize and start to act like a human being then dont bother to post. In fact I will put your comments in a little folder I got to illustrate the inanity and foaming at the mouth insanity of W supporters.

P.s I know I took a jab at Zion but it was nowhere near offensive and it was somehwhat good natured.
 
My statement still stands. It is more than fair to say he is spending the money. Now are we going to argue semantics or what?
 
[quote name='Msut77']My statement still stands. It is more than fair to say he is spending the money. Now are we going to argue semantics or what?[/quote]

It's not semantics...in fact, by your own words it's not semantics. It's fair to say Bush has a good deal of influence on spending, but Congress passes spending bills and not Bush, as you know.

You know, there are so many angles of attack on the reckless fiscal policies of this administration and the current Republican Congress that I'm surprised to see you seize on this one. Just criticize Bush's and the Congress' irresponsible budgetary proposals and spending policies, respectively, including massive increases in defense and homeland security spending and not being willing to cut anything.
 
Just criticize Bush's and the Congress' irresponsible budgetary proposals and spending policies, respectively, including massive increases in defense and homeland security spending and not being willing to cut anything.


Which is what I did, PAD just decided to say W has nothing to do with it.
 
No douchebag, I said the President can't control spending as that is a function of Congress.

Get your fucking facts right.

What none of you realize or will admit is that homeland defense and defense spending aren't the problem. We have a $2.2 trillion budget and $1.6 trillion or more is in entitlement spending, including social security. It's not discretionary spending that's the problem it's entitlements. We have a greedy population that thinks because they hit a magic number they should get free money. Our population thinks government should be "daddy" for their kids, give them section 8 housing, give them food stamps, send them to college.... the gimme menatily of the American people knows no bounds.

Until you're ready to admit that entitlements are the problem and not a President or Congress you have no business preaching to anyone about fiscal responsibility.
 
Well you see since Clinton dealt wiith the same entitlements your whining is moot. And again then maybe the solution isnt to have taxcuts and corporate entitlements during a budget crisis.

Republicans have no claim to be fiscally responsible and have had none for decades,
 
Well you see since Clinton dealt wiith the same entitlements your whining is moot.

Not really. In the years since Clinton has been president, another large batch of Baby Boomers have hit social security age. While it was a problem during the Clinton years, it's rapidly becoming a much, much larger problem. Problems do not usually become easier over time, so comparing entitlement spending during Clinton's era and now is not comparing like quantities or issues.
 
What did Clinton do to tackle entitlements. Welfare reform? Republican idea. It never would have been tackled if not for the Contract With America and the 1994 Congressional revolution. Social Security, untouched. Medicaid/Medicare, untouched. There's your trillions in problems.

Get out of here with your partisan bickering about who or who isn't fiscally responsible. You don't know shit, really, you don't know shit. The entire government is a bloated, dying, overworked sow and the greedy American people and their representative special interests don't give a fuck.

This isn't a party issue, it's a national issue. Of course you're a partisan hack who wants to go through talking points instead of having a fucking clue about what it is you're talking about.

Now, in Washington money is power. Tell me, who is the most powerful Bush cabinet member based on how much money it is their department spends. If you can answer that I may upgrade you from WT to just clueless.
 
[quote name='Msut77']BTW David I am the OP so how can I be making anything OT? I did put it in the correct part of the forum.

And basically I am getting proven right, look at the posts. Basically just telling me to leave the country and a few pathetic insults.[/quote]

Are you talking to me? BNecause I never said anything about off topic, some maybe you should learn how to read. And even if you are the topic poster that doesn't mean you can go off on a rant about whatever the fuck you want.

And most of us are telling you to shut the fuck up because you are an annoying whiny bitch. Most of us here do not like Bush put we did not start pointless topics going "I hate Bush", and if someone does we bitch at them like we are at you.

You don't like it, then leave the board, leave the country, or say something intelligent in another not as pointless topic.
 
Im the whiner? Hey then dont post Dave, easy enough really. I couldnt see my whining amongst all the insults and flaming.

As for all the W supporters what was Reagans excuse then? Maybe voodoo economics is to blame. Did that ever even occur to you.
 
To be fair although you didnt say off topic you said useless and how dare I start a politcal thread in a political part of the forum, get a clue.
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']President Bush has been a great President and if u don't like his policies get outa here.
Also OP your misinformed Clinton made the defecit smaller and this country has technically always been in a defecit. Also this nation is at war and yes wars cost money so yes the nation is in a larger defecit.
Yes UBL is still at large and he really doesnt have all to much power he'd just look good to get. And I personally don't mind that ass hiding in a cave where he cant harm Americans all he can do is make shitty tapes. Also Bill Clinton had 3 occasions to get UBL most notably in 1996 when Sudan offered to give us him, but of course the Clinton Amin. refused and he whent to the safe haven of Afghanistan. If Pres Clinton quit notably a horrible president would've fought terror in the 90's and put pressure on Iraq these two wars wouldnt be fought today. Please watch Farenhype 9/11, Celsius 41 11, and Burried in the sand, the deception of America, and maybe you'll change your opinion.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...4/104-3912100-5059953?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

look at all the recomended dvds and purchase all of those also.


PS:Sorry for any spelling/grammar issues ill fix them[/quote]


Sorry to tell you this, but the 9/11 commision looked into the Sudan/OBL deal, and they determined that there is no evidence that it ever happened.
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']well the president cant it must go through the congress the senate and then approved by the president[/quote]


What the fuck are you smoking?
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']well the president cant it must go through the congress the senate and then approved by the president[/quote]

You have to take into account who the poster is....
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So basically I was told to leave the country and flamed (lamely I might add) way to support your man W supporters.
 
[quote name='Msut77']So basically I was told to leave the country and flamed (lamely I might add) way to support your man W supporters.[/quote]

Way to learn the climate of a board before you post. A couple of the people shouting you down are die-hard Bush haters... but they more often attack policy and not the man himself.

They really aren't attacking based on your politics... they are attacking based upon your intelligence, or lack thereof.
 
First off Republicans have given up any claim to being fiscally responsible for decades.

Your opinion of Republican policy. Only has tenuous at best links to GWB.

Reagan tripled his deficit and W managed to turn a surplus into the largest deficit ever. IMHO it is worse to borrow and spend then it is to tax and spend.

Actually sourcing this would make it more impactful.

Also W is much more of a liar than Clinton ever was. W and his cohorts lied about a war, nothing but flat out lies and BS.

Opinion with no fact to back it up. Sources would help the believablity.

Peoples jobs were threatened if they were to tell the truth about the cost of W's prescription drug plan. W's Social Security plan involves borrowing two trillion dollars (which they keep forgetting to mention) and he keeps calling a crisis a problem that is a possiblilty decades from now.

Again, you're just spouting the talking points you dispise so much.
Sourcing things give them a great deal more credibility, as you don't have much.

Basically Bin laden still lives and now Iraq looks to be turning into an even bigger mess.
And? A couple of disjointed points don't add up to a cohesive whole unless you frame them correctly. You haven't.


Basically I have been reading the threads here and most of the Conservative posters are run of the mill talking point spouters, I cannot see how a rational or intellingent person can be a W supporter

Baseless and inflatmatory statement. It doesn't help establish you as reasonable or worthwhile of actually taking to rather than talking down to.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='MrFriday18']well the president cant it must go through the congress the senate and then approved by the president[/quote]

You have to take into account who the poster is....
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Ahh PAD I see you have posted your Republican Fortress of Solitude in all its glory, impressive to say the least.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='MrFriday18']well the president cant it must go through the congress the senate and then approved by the president[/quote]

You have to take into account who the poster is....
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Ahh PAD I see you have posted your Republican Fortress of Solitude in all its glory, impressive to say the least.[/quote]

KITTY!!!!!!!!!!!
 
"I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 9/17/01]

"I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him." [Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]


BTW for more on why I and basically most of NY dont trust Bush on the hunt for Osama...
 
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