I Tried to Tell You- Democratic Icon Admonishes His Own Party

PittsburghAfterDark

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America's faith in freedom has been reaffirmed. With the re-election of President Bush, America recommitted itself once again to expanding freedom and promoting liberty. Only the 1864 re-election of Abraham Lincoln, the 1944 re-election of Franklin Roosevelt and the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan rival this victory as milestones in the preservation of our security by the advancement of freedom.

This election validated not just freedom, but also the faith our Founding Fathers placed in average folks to navigate the course of this great nation. By weighing the greatest issues at the gravest times and choosing our path, ordinary people have again accomplished extraordinary things. With courage and caution, rather than fear and timidity, the voters chose a path to ensure others would enjoy the same freedom to set their own path.

This election outcome should have been implausible, if not impossible. With a litany of complaints — bad economy, bad deficit, bad foreign war, bad gas prices — amplified by a national media that discarded any pretense of neutrality, a national opposition party should have won this election.

But the Democratic Party is no longer a national party. As difficult as the challenges are — both real and fabricated — Democrats offered no solution that was either believable or acceptable to vast regions of America.

Tax increases to grow the economy are not a solution that is believable or acceptable. Democratic promises of fiscal responsibility are unbelievable in the face of massive new spending promises. A foreign policy based on the strength of "allies" such as France is unacceptable. A strong national defense policy is just not believable coming from a candidate who built a career as an anti-war veteran, an anti-military candidate and an anti-action senator.

Democratic Party policies haven't sold in large sections of America in decades, and the only success of Democrats in presidential elections for 40 years was when they pitched themselves as pro-growth, low-tax, strong-defense, fiscally responsible, values-oriented candidates.

Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton hummed the tune but never really sang the song, and that's why Democrat prospects have gone south in the South. In 1980, the South had 20 Democrats and just six Republicans in the Senate. As recently as 1994, the Senate had 17 Democrats and nine Republicans from the South.

A decade later, the number had reversed to 17 Republicans and nine Democrats. With this election, it is 22 Republicans and just four Democrats from the South.

When will national Democrats sober up and admit that that dog won't hunt? Secular socialism, heavy taxes, big spending, weak defense, limitless lawsuits and heavy regulation — that pack of beagles hasn't caught a rabbit in the South or Midwest in years.

The most recent failed nominee for president stands as proof that the national Democratic Party will continue to dwindle. The South has gone from just one-fourth of the Electoral College in 1960 to almost a third today.

To put this in perspective, that gain is equal to all the electoral votes in Ohio. Yet there was not a single Southern state where John Kerry had any real chance. Would anyone like to place bets on the electoral strength of the South by 2012? Maybe they should tax stupidity.

When you write off centrist and conservative policies that reflect the will of people in the South and Midwest, you write off the South and Midwest. Democrats have never learned from the second or third or fifth kick of a mule. They continue to change only the makeup on, rather than makeup of, the Democrat Party.

And so we have a realignment election. For the first time, in an "us vs. them" election and in the toughest of situations, Republicans have been re-elected to the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Confronting an opposition that can win a divided electorate in the worst of times and that has a growing electoral base, the national Democratic Party has a choice: continue down this path toward irrelevance or reverse course. As the last Truman Democrat, I hope my party makes the right choice but know I will not be allowed to be part of it. Such is the price you pay when you love your nation more than your party.

And so while I retire with little hope for the near-term viability of the party I've spent my life building, I retire with a quiet satisfaction that after witnessing the struggle of democracy over communism and fascism, the fear I once held that America might not rise to meet this new challenge of terrorism has vanished like a fog under the radiance of a new dawn. While the threat is still real, the shadow looming across a promising future is gone.

And the credit for that goes to one man. Like the last lion of England, Winston Churchill, George W. Bush has stood alone and risked all to give the world a new, clearer path to the advancement of freedom.

Abraham Lincoln, in his second annual message to Congress, stated: "In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom for the free — honorable alike in what we give and what we preserve. We shall nobly save or meanly lose the last, best hope of earth."

George Bush has injected into a region of enslavement an incurable dose of freedom, and thus nobly saved that "last, best hope of earth" — free men.

— Zell Miller is Georgia's Democratic U.S. senator.


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1. Zell Miller is not a Democrat, just because a wolf claims to be a sheep the farmer doesn't let him in.

2. Zell Miller did not get re-elected because he is a crazy old bastard and Democrats hate him.
 
I love how Zell Miller said that forming the 9/11 commission is the same as helping the terrorists.:roll:
 
I don't see how people think bush will increase our freedom, I mean the reasoning for many people is we have to give up at least some small freedoms for our security. Yet now, those who argued that, argue that bush is best for our freedom? Though, zell miller isn't really a democrat. Hell he gave a speech at the RNC for god's sake. The guy was only a democrat in the sense that his title said democrat, he was essentially a republican in every other way.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Zell Miller didn't get re-elected because he retired and wasn't running.

Oh, and a Republican took his seat.[/quote]

if he was retiring he should have opened his seat up to another person. Still suprised that 34 percent of people in GA voted for him. I would have voted for the other guy
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']America's faith in freedom has been reaffirmed. With the re-election of President Bush, America recommitted itself once again to expanding freedom and promoting liberty. Only the 1864 re-election of Abraham Lincoln, the 1944 re-election of Franklin Roosevelt and the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan rival this victory as milestones in the preservation of our security by the advancement of freedom.[/quote]

Actually I found it to be alot like the 1984 election of Big Brother.

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength"

War is Peace, hmm now where did I hear that...
 
I predict in four years the US will be in a depression. The unemployment rate will be at least 6%. We will still be struggling in Iraq. Plus Iran. There will be another terrorist attack, probably along the eastern seaboard, although Texas is possible as well. Gas prices will routinely be over $2.00 per gallon. Schools will be labeled as failing all across the country due to the impossible standards set forth in the No Child Left Behind Act. The deficit will be at least 1.5 times what it is right now. The trade deficit will widen as more and more jobs go overseas. Thank god for George W. Bush!
 
I would not consider Zell an icon since he's a Dixiecrat but if he is it's because he's an Old School one still there after Strom Thurmond went Republican.
I also find it insulting to compare someone great like FDR in the same sentence as George W. Bush. When the economy was in the dumps FDR created a Public Works program to give people jobs.
Mr.Miller I think it's debatable Bush won in Ohio since I seem to remember what the head of D-Bolt said about doing everything he can to make sure Bush wins in Ohio. You can scream about "Sour Grapes" but I don't care PAD. It's debatable with what that man said and at least one supposed problem in Ohio with an electronic voting machine and you need to acknowledge that.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I don't see how people think bush will increase our freedom, I mean the reasoning for many people is we have to give up at least some small freedoms for our security. Yet now, those who argued that, argue that bush is best for our freedom? Though, zell miller isn't really a democrat. Hell he gave a speech at the RNC for god's sake. The guy was only a democrat in the sense that his title said democrat, he was essentially a republican in every other way.[/quote]

If you kill terrorists who try to restrict your freedoms via terror, you become more free.
 
[quote name='gamefreak'][quote name='alonzomourning23']I don't see how people think bush will increase our freedom, I mean the reasoning for many people is we have to give up at least some small freedoms for our security. Yet now, those who argued that, argue that bush is best for our freedom? Though, zell miller isn't really a democrat. Hell he gave a speech at the RNC for god's sake. The guy was only a democrat in the sense that his title said democrat, he was essentially a republican in every other way.[/quote]

If you kill terrorists who try to restrict your freedoms via terror, you become more free.[/quote]

Therefore to become more free, we should give up freedoms so more terrorists can be killed. Freedom is slavery.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']someone great like FDR.[/quote]
The economy was on the rebound regardless of the programs FDR started. FDR just stuck us with a bunch of useless programs(some of which are still around) that were worthless. The man did boost morale though, which was needed.
 
[quote name='Soft Nugget'][quote name='Sarang01']someone great like FDR.[/quote]
The economy was on the rebound regardless of the programs FDR started. FDR just stuck us with a bunch of useless programs(some of which are still around) that were worthless. The man did boost morale though, which was needed.[/quote]

I kept thinking of his quote "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself"

We were a strong people back then.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Zell Miller...[/quote]

Zell Miller needs to be stuck in a room with nice, safe padded walls. Anyone who watched his little breakdown during the Repubican Convention and still considers him a reputable source for politican commentary needs to be stuck in one too, for their own protection.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='Soft Nugget'][quote name='Sarang01']someone great like FDR.[/quote]
The economy was on the rebound regardless of the programs FDR started. FDR just stuck us with a bunch of useless programs(some of which are still around) that were worthless. The man did boost morale though, which was needed.[/quote]

I kept thinking of his quote "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself"

We were a strong people back then.[/quote]

Yeah it's amazing to see how some people have become weak, pathetic sheep.
 
[quote name='Sarang01'][quote name='camoor'][quote name='Soft Nugget'][quote name='Sarang01']someone great like FDR.[/quote]
The economy was on the rebound regardless of the programs FDR started. FDR just stuck us with a bunch of useless programs(some of which are still around) that were worthless. The man did boost morale though, which was needed.[/quote]

I kept thinking of his quote "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself"

We were a strong people back then.[/quote]

Yeah it's amazing to see how some people have become weak, pathetic sheep.[/quote]

Yeah I keep wondering whether it's weak or stupid, or a combination of both. Either way, this religious right needs to go back under the rock they crawled out from.
 
guys, guys, you dont have to get all of your bitching out at once... theres 4 more years that you have to bitch...


GO BUSH! WOOOO
 
[quote name='Cracka']guys, guys, you dont have to get all of your bitching out at once... theres 4 more years that you have to bitch...


GO BUSH! WOOOO[/quote]

dont you have a hot desert to go to?
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I love how Zell Miller said that forming the 9/11 commission is the same as helping the terrorists.:roll:[/quote]

I believe he was referring to how the comission would point out things that were done wrong and which could go wrong in the future. So basically, what he was saying is that the terrorists could look at the 9/11 comission report on how to exploit our weaknesses again. Not that I agree with him, but I can understand why he said it.
 
No fucking shit, but they already knew that because incase you haven't heard THEY ALREADY ATTACKED UP BY EXPLOITING THE WEAKNESSES IN THAT REPORT!
 
[quote name='Soft Nugget']Shaq-Fu? It's cute, but entirely out of place.[/quote]

The F word is filtered here and automatically replaced by shaq fu. Go ahead, try it.
 
Zell Miller is not and never was an Icon of any kind. Zell Miller ran for re-election and lost to a Republican.

The economy was on the rebound regardless of the programs FDR started. FDR just stuck us with a bunch of useless programs(some of which are still around) that were worthless. The man did boost morale though, which was needed.
Only an idiot would say that FDR did nothing for the economy of this country. He brought us out of the depression. He was one of the top 5 presidents ever. You just don't want to give credit where credit is due to a Democrat, even if it was more than 50 years ago.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Zell Miller is not and never was an Icon of any kind. Zell Miller ran for re-election and lost to a Republican.

The economy was on the rebound regardless of the programs FDR started. FDR just stuck us with a bunch of useless programs(some of which are still around) that were worthless. The man did boost morale though, which was needed.
Only an idiot would say that FDR did nothing for the economy of this country. He brought us out of the depression. He was one of the top 5 presidents ever. You just don't want to give credit where credit is due to a Democrat, even if it was more than 50 years ago.[/quote]

Zell Miller retired. He didn't run for re-election this time.
 
Zell Miller retired. He didn't run for re-election this time.
Ah, I see. One political site had Miller instead of Majesky when I looked it up. I was wrong. The rest of the comment stands.

Unlike certain world leaders, I can admit my mistakes.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
Zell Miller retired. He didn't run for re-election this time.
Ah, I see. One political site had Miller instead of Majesky when I looked it up. I was wrong. The rest of the comment stands.

Unlike certain world leaders, I can admit my mistakes.[/quote]

Unfortunately now half the board will view you as a flip flopper.

To get through to them, you should vehemently deny that you EVER made a mistake, and if all else fails tell them that an angel whispered it into your ear.
 
[quote name='Drocket'][quote name='Soft Nugget']Shaq-Fu? It's cute, but entirely out of place.[/quote]

The F word is filtered here and automatically replaced by shaq fu. Go ahead, try it.[/quote]
Then don't curse.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
Only an idiot would say that FDR did nothing for the economy of this country. He brought us out of the depression. He was one of the top 5 presidents ever. You just don't want to give credit where credit is due to a Democrat, even if it was more than 50 years ago.[/quote]
I'll give credit where credit is due,FDR kept us in the depression and left us with a bunch of crap.
 
[quote name='Soft Nugget'][quote name='dafoomie']
Only an idiot would say that FDR did nothing for the economy of this country. He brought us out of the depression. He was one of the top 5 presidents ever. You just don't want to give credit where credit is due to a Democrat, even if it was more than 50 years ago.[/quote]
I'll give credit where credit is due,FDR kept us in the depression and left us with a bunch of crap.[/quote]

:applause:

So I'm not the only one.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']No shaq-fuing shit, but they already knew that because incase you haven't heard THEY ALREADY ATTACKED UP BY EXPLOITING THE WEAKNESSES IN THAT REPORT![/quote]

Great job, way to not comprehend my post. If you hadn't noticed I mentioned that the commission pointed out things that could go wrong in the future. IF you ever heard even the slightest thing about the report, it pointed out not only what specifically went wrong on 9/11 but stuff that is still open to exploitation. SO NEXT TIME, READ AND COMPREHEND MY POST BEFORE YOU FLAME.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='Quackzilla']No shaq-fuing shit, but they already knew that because incase you haven't heard THEY ALREADY ATTACKED UP BY EXPLOITING THE WEAKNESSES IN THAT REPORT![/quote]

Great job, way to not comprehend my post. If you hadn't noticed I mentioned that the commission pointed out things that could go wrong in the future. IF you ever heard even the slightest thing about the report, it pointed out not only what specifically went wrong on 9/11 but stuff that is still open to exploitation. SO NEXT TIME, READ AND COMPREHEND MY POST BEFORE YOU FLAME.[/quote]

Dude, if you pick up any Tom Clancy book (Sum of all Fears for example), you can read about any one of 10 scenarios which could serve as a dangerous terrorist script. The commission is about government discovering ways to combat the threat... and perhaps airing Bush's dirty laundry in the process.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='Quackzilla']No shaq-fuing shit, but they already knew that because incase you haven't heard THEY ALREADY ATTACKED UP BY EXPLOITING THE WEAKNESSES IN THAT REPORT![/quote]

Great job, way to not comprehend my post. If you hadn't noticed I mentioned that the commission pointed out things that could go wrong in the future. IF you ever heard even the slightest thing about the report, it pointed out not only what specifically went wrong on 9/11 but stuff that is still open to exploitation. SO NEXT TIME, READ AND COMPREHEND MY POST BEFORE YOU FLAME.[/quote]

Dude, if you pick up any Tom Clancy book (Sum of all Fears for example), you can read about any one of 10 scenarios which could serve as a dangerous terrorist script. The commission is about government discovering ways to combat the threat... and perhaps airing Bush's dirty laundry in the process.[/quote]

I don't personally disagree with the 9/11 commission, I believe I even hinted at such in my first post on this thread. I was simply explaining what I believed Zell Miller's reasoning was for saying what he said. The problem I have is Quackzilla attempting to insult my intelligence with his blatantly flaming reponse.
 
Zell Miller, the proud Bush supporter, announced that we should stop investigating 9/11 immediately because it could "energize our enemies and demoralize our troops." That's right - according to Miller, finding out why 3,000 people were killed on September 11 so that we can make sure it doesn't happen again is the same as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. See, on Planet Zell, it's Richard Clarke who's really to blame for 9/11 because he was in the "catbird seat" for ten years. Never mind that Clarke was practically begging Bush to pay attention to al Qaeda and Bush ignored him - has everyone forgotten that Our Great Leader is absolutely not responsible for anything at all that happens under his watch? Said Miller, "It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into two camps - the wimps and the warriors." No Zell, if this country is dividing itself into two camps it's between people who want the truth and people who've got their noses so far up Bush's butt that they've lost their minds.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=35050

Credit to Top Ten Conservative Idiots
 
[quote name='Soft Nugget'][quote name='dafoomie']
Only an idiot would say that FDR did nothing for the economy of this country. He brought us out of the depression. He was one of the top 5 presidents ever. You just don't want to give credit where credit is due to a Democrat, even if it was more than 50 years ago.[/quote]
I'll give credit where credit is due,FDR kept us in the depression and left us with a bunch of crap.[/quote]

I think someone needs to go and take a basic economics class. FDR was a great president and no republican would have ever gotten us out of the recession at that time. The reason is simple, there was a man named John Maynard Kenyes who described how the economy worked and that always having a balanced budget can be bad and that taking on government debt is not necessarily a bad thing. If there was a Republican president then Keynesian economics would have taken longer to gain the acceptance that they did. If you think I am being partisan, when Richard Nixon said "We are all Keynesians now" it was a pretty big shock.

Increasing government spending and instituting programs for both workers and senior citizens that no one before him or in his time would have had the balls to implement makes him great. Another thing that made him great was his willingness to accept that his policies were not working.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']LOL. I knew it was gonna be Zell Miller. No one likes him or gives a shit what he has to say![/quote]

Wasn't Miller the keynote speaker at the Democratic Convention for Bill Clinton's re-election in 1996 ?

Apparantly people DO care what he says, it's just that many Democrats refuse to listen to the truth, especially when it's contrary to their own quest for political power.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Wasn't Miller the keynote speaker at the Democratic Convention for Bill Clinton's re-election in 1996 ?[/quote]

I don't know, but if it was, I'm sure that was before he went insane and started challenging reporters to pistol duels.
 
Chris mathwes was more than his usual jackass self during that interview. If it were me he was interviewing I probably would have punched him directly in the face. Miller probably would have as well had they actually been face to face.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Chris mathwes was more than his usual jackass self during that interview. If it were me he was interviewing I probably would have punched him directly in the face. Miller probably would have as well had they actually been face to face.[/quote]

Now that would be worth watching Hardball for.
 
Maybe the terrorist can play Rainbow 6 to learn what the counter-terrorism response would be.

That would give us the advantage because we are one of the few countries that does not have a branch of military/law enforcement dedicated to counter acts of terrorism.

That makes me feel very safe, btw.
 
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