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lain21us

lain21us

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I conducted a trade with someone recently on GTZ. I wanted a hard-to-find item of theirs, and I asked them to check my list. They offered it to me for a Dreamcast dance pad. The trade was in my favor, so naturally I accepted. I agreed to ship at the same time, even though the person had only slightly over half my feedback. I shipped immediately, and this person waited a week and did not actually ship until a day after they received the dance pad and left feedback. The next day after they shipped, they sent me a message saying that they had just opened the box and found out that the pad was third-party, even though I never said it was the Konami one. He says that he feels cheated, even though I was never dishonest with him, and he asks me to send him another game (Iron Storm) that runs around $25 on eBay to even it out. He asks, if not, can we trade back.

I told him that I shipped immediately in good faith that he would do the same, as agreed. I said that it was only by his negligence in shipping my item promptly that he had the luxury of inspecting the pad before shipping his end of the deal, and that it is not my fault he failed to do so. I explained that, had he not shipped my item, I would have gladly agreed to cancel the trade, provided he pay for return shipping and reimburse me for the money I had already spent. However, I didn't see any reason why I should have to ship his item back and lose out in the deal, just because he made a mistake, nor did I see any reason why I should send him another game after all this time.

He replied that he was getting ripped off, and that he didn't want to trade back, just even the trade out. I might have been willing to renegotiate earlier on, since it was in my favor, but the trade will be complete after about 2 weeks once I receive my item, and I don't feel like I owe him anything. I'm also a little bit offended that he keeps implying that I am ripping him off, even though I was completely honest with him.

So, I'm wondering, do I owe this guy anything, except perhaps my condolences that he made a big mistake? I don't like having someone feel like I ripped them off, but I also don't feel like this is my fault, and I don't like the guy's accusatory attitude about the whole thing. Any thoughts?
 
Well, he should have asked if it was a Konami dance pad or a third party one before the trade. His own fault, though I'd probably throw him a cheap game or something just so no hard feelings come of it.
 
He should have asked, you are under no obligation to do anything. The nice thing would be to offer to ship back at his expense, or, if it still hasn't arrived, simply refuse shipment, but even if you don't you aren't cheating him.
 
I think you ripped him off. The fact that it was a third party pad was material to the transaction. A reasonable trader would not have made the trade if he knew this. You said it yourself when you mentioned that the trade was in your favor. Trades are supposed to be fair by their very nature.

Granted it was quite dumb of him not to ask what type of pad it was but also a bit deceptive on your part for not speaking up. You know that if you said something the trade would not go through. Plus, you must be feeling some sort of guilt or you wouldn't have posted...
 
I think he should have asked. On the other hand, I think when the trade was going down, you should have told him it was a third party one to make sure there were no suprises. Not really for his sake necessarily, but to cover your own ass for something exactly like this.

With that said, I think it's on him for not asking so you don't owe him anything.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I think you ripped him off. The fact that it was a third party pad was material to the transaction. A reasonable trader would not have made the trade if he knew this. You said it yourself when you mentioned that the trade was in your favor. Trades are supposed to be fair by their very nature.

Granted it was quite dumb of him not to ask what type of pad it was but also a bit deceptive on your part for not speaking up. You know that if you said something the trade would not go through. Plus, you must be feeling some sort of guilt or you wouldn't have posted...[/quote]

It simply never occurred to me to let him know. There is another pad listed on GTZ which is the Konami one, and mine was listed as just a dance pad. The guy had more than enough feedback to know the game, and I figured it was safe to assume he knew what he was trading for, or didn't care. He certainly wasn't a newbie. It never occurred to me to tell him it was third party, since the vast majority of DC pads are. He offered and I thought, "good deal for me," and I accepted. If I had thought of it, I might have mentioned it, but I do an awful lot of trades and these things don't always come to mind. Perhaps that was an oversight on my part. However, I would liken this scenario more to one where someone agrees to purchase an old cartridge game without asking if it's complete, then getting upset because it's missing the manual.
 
If it was a trade that he offered, as you said, and he didn't think to ask, it's tough luck on him.

Also, I don't think the fact that you saw this deal to be greatly in your favor to be any kind of indicator that he didn't know what he was getting. Trades are supposed to be fair and all, but people value things differently.

One last thing: the first thing this guy did was go against the conditions of the trade, didn't he? It was agreed to ship simultaneously, but he waits a week to ship it? Did he at least have an excuse for this?

And, by the way, what did you end up getting/are you going to be getting in this deal?
 
[quote name='lain21us']I conducted a trade with someone recently on GTZ. I wanted a hard-to-find item of theirs, and I asked them to check my list. They offered it to me for a Dreamcast dance pad. The trade was in my favor, so naturally I accepted. I agreed to ship at the same time, even though the person had only slightly over half my feedback. I shipped immediately, and this person waited a week and did not actually ship until a day after they received the dance pad and left feedback. The next day after they shipped, they sent me a message saying that they had just opened the box and found out that the pad was third-party, even though I never said it was the Konami one. He says that he feels cheated, even though I was never dishonest with him, and he asks me to send him another game (Iron Storm) that runs around $25 on eBay to even it out. He asks, if not, can we trade back.

I told him that I shipped immediately in good faith that he would do the same, as agreed. I said that it was only by his negligence in shipping my item promptly that he had the luxury of inspecting the pad before shipping his end of the deal, and that it is not my fault he failed to do so. I explained that, had he not shipped my item, I would have gladly agreed to cancel the trade, provided he pay for return shipping and reimburse me for the money I had already spent. However, I didn't see any reason why I should have to ship his item back and lose out in the deal, just because he made a mistake, nor did I see any reason why I should send him another game after all this time.

He replied that he was getting ripped off, and that he didn't want to trade back, just even the trade out. I might have been willing to renegotiate earlier on, since it was in my favor, but the trade will be complete after about 2 weeks once I receive my item, and I don't feel like I owe him anything. I'm also a little bit offended that he keeps implying that I am ripping him off, even though I was completely honest with him.

So, I'm wondering, do I owe this guy anything, except perhaps my condolences that he made a big mistake? I don't like having someone feel like I ripped them off, but I also don't feel like this is my fault, and I don't like the guy's accusatory attitude about the whole thing. Any thoughts?[/quote]

I say you don't owe that guy anything.
 
I'm getting a Virtual On Twin Stick for Saturn.

Thanks for the input, guys. I think I'm gonna offer to trade back if he wants, at his expense of course.
 
He's already shown himself to be dishonest by not shipping simultaneously when you both agreed to, so who's to say he's being honest about not having an idea about which dance pad it was?
 
I think you owe him something. A punch in the nose for him being an ass He should've asked what kind of pad it was.
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I agree that you did nothing wrong. The majority of DC dance pads are 3rd party and he should have researched it further. If im looking for a copy of Suikoden 2, im not going to just toss someone 80 bones without making sure its complete and in good condition.
 
1. Buyer beware dood.
2. We have all been screwed at least once- we learn from the mistakes we make and move on.

Sounds like he has the case of- "I'm the only person existing in the world and I deserve bad ass "s-h-o-o-t" and can assume the world can read my mind.

You don't owe him anything, in fact, once you get your item, you can basically cut and paste this.

1. You agreed to the trade.
2. No refunds.
3. If you feel ripped off, you only have yourself to blame, I held up my end of the bargin and even shipped before you did, even though we agreed to ship at the same time.
4. Buyer beware dude.
5. My friends and I have more guns than you do. oh wait, that was from Punisher, you may want to leave out number 5)
 
I don't think you owe him anything. It's his own fault for not finding out the information he should have. I wouldn't even offer to trade back at his expense. Like Banky said, he was already dishonest by sending out his part of the deal a week late.
 
i never trade with somebody i don't know....never want to be in a situation like one of these...not worth the time and effort it seems

hope everything works out ok though!
 
Clown ships WAY after he said he would, and then calls you dishonest. He owes you for however much of your time he's wasting.
 
I think that him waiting to ship balances it out, besides you said he made the offer, so it wasn't like you were trying to trick him or anything.
 
Well I think in the future you should make sure people know when an item is 3rd party or not, just like we normally state if a game is Greatest Hits or not. However I don't think you owe him anything else and certainly not a $25 game. You might want to throw him a cheaper game so you don't get negative feedback but if I were you I'd cancel the deal before I tossed in another expensive item.
 
Sounds like he's simply trying to get more out of the deal than originally settled. He should have asked, and him waiting on shipping pretty much cancels any complaint of his out...
 
[quote name='friedram']5. My friends and I have more guns than you do. oh wait, that was from Punisher, you may want to leave out number 5)[/quote]

LOL :D
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I agree that you did nothing wrong. The majority of DC dance pads are 3rd party and he should have researched it further. If im looking for a copy of Suikoden 2, im not going to just toss someone 80 bones without making sure its complete and in good condition.[/quote]

Exactly, with the case of DDR pads, they are almost always 3rd party pads (since other than buying the pads in bundles, Konami pads are difficult to find), so since it was not stated the pad was a Konami pad, it should have been figured by the other person that it was a 3rd party pad. Depending on the brand, it may have even been better than the Konami pad.
 
I think that if you both agreed to ship at the same time and he didn't he's breaking the agreement. If he's had a number of trades, he knows how it works and what needs to happen.

If he didn't ask about the status of the dance pad being third party, then that's his issue but that completely overrides the lack of you telling him, especially if almost all of them are third party, and that's how I'd guess it to be. If I wasn't sure, I'd ask. For me, it doesn't matter if a game is GH/PH/GC, though it does matter to me if it's new/sealed, mint, or just OK. And I certainly ask that when I'm doing my trades/sales/purchases.

I don't think you did anything wrong. He wasn't paying attention to the details of the deal. His fault, and yes, buyer beware. I'd work to trade back out of the deal, and yes, without question, at his expense. He shouldn't get anything back from you.
 
In complete and total fairness, it's both your faults.. you knew there were multiple versions and you failed to ask, but he failed to ask as well. HOWEVER.. he selected it from you, you didn't offer it to him.. so that puts it at 51/49 in favor of "Tough luck, bud".. you don't owe him anything, he needs to learn from experience.
 
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