Illegal Immigrants Allowed to Attend College

I'd love to know what other places in the world I could live in illegally and apply for a college.

However, I guess if we refuse to enforce our laws about immigration, we might as well include them in everything, eh? SBA loans and letting them run for political office next?

Does suck for foreigners trying to come here legally to study though.
 
[quote name='Clak']How dare they allow them to learn.[/QUOTE]

Well, I can kind of understand the fact that they get in-state tuition being a bit unfair. I don't mind illegal immigrants enrolling as long as they can pay, but I'm not sure why they would also get the lower tuition rates when students who live out of state are charged more.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I'd love to know what other places in the world I could live in illegally and apply for a college.

However, I guess if we refuse to enforce our laws about immigration, we might as well include them in everything, eh? SBA loans and letting them run for political office next?

Does suck for foreigners trying to come here legally to study though.[/QUOTE]
No wait just a tea bagging minute here, I thought you were all for state's rights? If a state college wants to allow illegals in and allow them to pay in state tuition, what business is it of yours?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I'd love to know what other places in the world I could live in illegally and apply for a college.

However, I guess if we refuse to enforce our laws about immigration, we might as well include them in everything, eh? SBA loans and letting them run for political office next?

Does suck for foreigners trying to come here legally to study though.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='docvinh']Well, I can kind of understand the fact that they get in-state tuition being a bit unfair. I don't mind illegal immigrants enrolling as long as they can pay, but I'm not sure why they would also get the lower tuition rates when students who live out of state are charged more.[/QUOTE]
Well let's put this in some perspective:

If these are adults that didn't go through the public school system, then they must be working, living, and contributing to the local economy in not insignifigant ways. So why shouldn't they be allowed to pay in-state rates? Should they not be albe to try and better themselves to make even MORE contributions? Does this make any kind of fiscal sense?

If these were kids that were brought over with no agency of their own and went through the public school system, why should they NOT be able pay in-state tuition if they're looking to better themselves as well especially if their parent(s) were working shit jobs AND paying into the system? And then to try to get more for themselves, wich would in turn allow them to contribute more than their parents.

And lets be realistic about foreign exchange students. Most of them are not from poor villages, but well educated with the money to not only pay full tuition, but pay for living expenses as well. Its a joke to say that most of them are struggling.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Well let's put this in some perspective:

If these are adults that didn't go through the public school system, then they must be working, living, and contributing to the local economy in not insignifigant ways. So why shouldn't they be allowed to pay in-state rates? Should they not be albe to try and better themselves to make even MORE contributions? Does this make any kind of fiscal sense?

If these were kids that were brought over with no agency of their own and went through the public school system, why should they NOT be able pay in-state tuition if they're looking to better themselves as well especially if their parent(s) were working shit jobs AND paying into the system? And then to try to get more for themselves, wich would in turn allow them to contribute more than their parents.
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Well, unless they can prove they've lived there over a year (to establish residency), I really still don't see why they should get the lower rate. I honestly don't think that's too much to ask. To be clear here, I'm definitely not saying they shouldn't be allowed to attend, just that the lower rate would be unfair if they couldn't prove that they are long term residents.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Well, unless they can prove they've lived there over a year (to establish residency), I really still don't see why they should get the lower rate. I honestly don't think that's too much to ask. To be clear here, I'm definitely not saying they shouldn't be allowed to attend, just that the lower rate would be unfair if they couldn't prove that they are long term residents.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with a year. Very reasonable.
 
[quote name='Clak']No wait just a tea bagging minute here, I thought you were all for state's rights? If a state college wants to allow illegals in and allow them to pay in state tuition, what business is it of yours?[/QUOTE]

I was mostly being sarcastic. While I think it's a stupid decision, if a community wants to pass sanctuary laws, more power to them.

I'd like to see it happen more, actually. I love the existence of sanctuary cities; it sort of solves much of the immigration problem, in a back-handed sort-of-way.

Those cities will be magnets to illegals, and it will be on their shoulders to prove why open borders are a good idea. Meanwhile, citizens can also better choose which city to live in based on their personal views on illegal immigration.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Ya, proving they lived here illegally for a year is definitely a reason to give them the boot back to whatever country they came from.[/QUOTE]
And what about the people that hired them?:roll:
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I was mostly being sarcastic. While I think it's a stupid decision, if a community wants to pass sanctuary laws, more power to them.

I'd like to see it happen more, actually. I love the existence of sanctuary cities; it sort of solves much of the immigration problem, in a back-handed sort-of-way.

Those cities will be magnets to illegals, and it will be on their shoulders to prove why open borders are a good idea. Meanwhile, citizens can also better choose which city to live in based on their personal views on illegal immigration.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...right...being able to attend school is a form of "sanctuary." what you propose sounds like class warfare to me.
 
I don't see out of state students banging down the door to get into community college so it's not that big a deal from that perspective. Personally, I'd be more outraged about elite universities that openly accept illegal immigrants and often given them preferential status in the admissions process and scholarships. That being said, as private institutions, I also recognize they have the right to do that as well.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I don't see out of state students banging down the door to get into community college so it's not that big a deal from that perspective. Personally, I'd be more outraged about elite universities that openly accept illegal immigrants and often given them preferential status in the admissions process and scholarships. That being said, as private institutions, I also recognize they have the right to do that as well.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...WUT? They get preferential treatment? Compared to what? There are more legacy students than there are "affirmative action"*cough*DOG WHISTLE FOR BLACK*cough* students.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I was mostly being sarcastic. While I think it's a stupid decision, if a community wants to pass sanctuary laws, more power to them.

I'd like to see it happen more, actually. I love the existence of sanctuary cities; it sort of solves much of the immigration problem, in a back-handed sort-of-way.

Those cities will be magnets to illegals, and it will be on their shoulders to prove why open borders are a good idea. Meanwhile, citizens can also better choose which city to live in based on their personal views on illegal immigration.[/QUOTE]
You're better than this thrust, I know you are. Somewhere deep inside you know that letting illegals have in state tuition does not equal "sanctuary laws".

While I'm at it, I want to address something. The other day my conservafriend was ranting about how the left has stigmatized the right with names like "teabagger", that it's disrespectful. Now if you all would like to stop using "Obamacare" "entitlements" and "sanctuary laws" I would gladly stop using teabagger. Because we all know that terms like the above are used the denigrate liberal ideas, so until you all stop using them, I'll continue to complain about those fucking teabaggers.
 
[quote name='Clak']You're better than this thrust, I know you are. Somewhere deep inside you know that letting illegals have in state tuition does not equal "sanctuary laws".

While I'm at it, I want to address something. The other day my conservafriend was ranting about how the left has stigmatized the right with names like "teabagger", that it's disrespectful. Now if you all would like to stop using "Obamacare" "entitlements" and "sanctuary laws" I would gladly stop using teabagger. Because we all know that terms like the above are used the denigrate liberal ideas, so until you all stop using them, I'll continue to complain about those fucking teabaggers.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to add "democrat" and "liberal" to that list. :D
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']how are any of those three terms personal insults?[/QUOTE]
Dog whistles. They're for more than just dogs.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']how are any of those three terms personal insults?[/QUOTE]
Teabagger isn't a personal insult, it's a play on words intended to be funny. Calling them ignorant pieces of shit would be a personal insult, if one said something like that I mean.
 
[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ...right...being able to attend school is a form of "sanctuary." what you propose sounds like class warfare to me.[/QUOTE]

Cities that openly refuse to enforce immigration law (otherwise known as Sanctuary cities, but apparently that's derogatory) are very much encouraging a type of class warfare.

[quote name='Clak']You're better than this thrust, I know you are. Somewhere deep inside you know that letting illegals have in state tuition does not equal "sanctuary laws".[/quote]
I have a problem with STATE (=government) schools knowingly letting in people openly breaking laws (=government). I am not sure why that wouldn't equal sanctuary behavior.

Now if it's a private school, I guess they can do what they want. They can give discounts to drug dealers if they want too. But this COUNTY college in the OP sounds like it's subsidized by taxpayers like most colleges are.

While I'm at it, I want to address something. The other day my conservafriend was ranting about how the left has stigmatized the right with names like "teabagger", that it's disrespectful. Now if you all would like to stop using "Obamacare" "entitlements" and "sanctuary laws" I would gladly stop using teabagger. Because we all know that terms like the above are used the denigrate liberal ideas, so until you all stop using them, I'll continue to complain about those fucking teabaggers.
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Maybe this argument would hold more water if you could tell us how Obamacare isn't, how entitlements aren't, and how sanctuary laws don't exist?

I can easily refute the term "tea bagger" because I have not seen any evidence yet of tea party rallys including the sexual act of "tea bagging", or having such be apart of the movement. You can tell yourself it's not meant to be derogatory and we'll wink at each other. But please explain how the other words above are derogatory.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Now if it's a private school, I guess they can do what they want. They can give discounts to drug dealers if they want too. But this COUNTY college in the OP sounds like it's subsidized by taxpayers like most colleges are.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like you should find out before banging your gavel of outrage.
 
And what if the people of this area have no problem with the school letting illegals in? You see, you can't be all for state's rights when it only suits your beliefs, it's an all or none proposition. You want state's to be able to do whatever the fuck they want, well that isn't always going to mesh with what else you think is right or wrong.
 
Well, I guess the saddest thing about it is that he would probably be a very productive member of the U.S. workforce and he's probably going to end up somewhere else.

"Tapia was beckoned here from a small town in Puebla state five years ago by his parents, who moved to Paterson permanently after years of traveling between the countries. His mother, a permanent U.S. resident, filed the residency petition for her son at that time. But not until June did State Department officials respond with requests for documents in support of Tapia's status change. And not until Feb. 15 did they notify Tapia of his interview date."

Holy hell that was a long time before they decided to give him an interview.
 
I wish I can take a side but I am unsure which to take. I was an illegal immigrant before and was in the same situation as this mexican kid but even more severe (military duty). I just felt helpless because sometimes this is something that is not within your control. I moved here when I was 6 and it's been 20 years since. Being unable to go to work legally and to have an education after HS was impossibly hard (financially/legally). I WISHED they would just make me legal because I've been here all my life and I know very little of my own culture so why can't I be an American? Well there are laws that prohibited people like me to becoming legal even with my circumstances.
Here's a summarized version of my circumstances for a clearer picture.
Brought here at age 6 with parents. Dad had govt job that needed the citizenship of his country. More then a decade later, dad goes kinda crazy and gives up the govt job which allowed the family to stay legal (A-2 visa status) but once he quit, he gave that up. So we became illegals at this point because of the idiocy of my dad. I left home at 18 and took matters into my own hands and years later became a green card holder.

Now this kid's situation is similar but I am going to say that if we were being compared, I would most likely be a better candidate for leniency. Mainly because he has only been here for 4 years and he came here illegally whereas I've been here for 20 yrs and came here legally. It's fantastic that he has been able to get excellent grades but is that what the message we want to send to foreigners? Bring your family here illegally, go to school, excel and become legal? Also, the article states heavily on how this kid is a honor's student. Okay, but what about other kids in his situation that are screwing up in school. Do we allow them the same benefits? No? Because they aren't getting straight A's? But they are in the same predicament...

I think laws need to be followed or just altered entirely because one can not choose which laws to follow and which to break. They are called laws for a reason. I would have LOVED it if I became legal without much hassle because of my situation but thinking about it more thoroughly, what would happen to this country in the future if that were the case? I assume it won't be too favorable but that's just a guess.
 
American college system sucks balls anyway. When I went to college I didn't qualify for shit nothing for financial aid because my family made too much (which is BS in itself, what is enough when they can't even pay the bills?). I had a couple scholarships I earned through academics but it was nowhere near enough to go pay for it all, or even half. I had to work nearly full-time and go to school full-time in order to pay for my education. That alone is enough to make me mad.

I just cannot support illegal immigrants receiving a discounted or free education when we have our own people, our own legal citizens, who either can't afford college or have to work like a slave to get one.
 
[quote name='M-PG71C']American college system sucks balls anyway. When I went to college I didn't qualify for shit nothing for financial aid because my family made too much (which is BS in itself, what is enough when they can't even pay the bills?). I had a couple scholarships I earned through academics but it was nowhere near enough to go pay for it all, or even half. I had to work nearly full-time and go to school full-time in order to pay for my education. That alone is enough to make me mad.

I just cannot support illegal immigrants receiving a discounted or free education when we have our own people, our own legal citizens, who either can't afford college or have to work like a slave to get one.[/QUOTE]
I call bullshit on this one. If your household didn't qualify you for any aid, then your household has substantial income AND assets. Not being able to pay the bills doesn't mean shit if they're over-leveraged. Hell, we have pricks on CAG saying that they can't make ends meet making $250k a year. This sounds a lot closer to your situation than some poor kid that was brought over here against their will by their parents trying to better themselves.

I also highly doubt you worked like a slave and left college without any loans, which would have enabled you to live a lot better. I'm also guessing that if you were working "nearly fulltime," you were on off-campus housing. Oh, and were you under your parent's health insurance too? Spare me your sob story.
 
I'll admit actually, that at least around 5-6 years ago, I was surprised at just how low your income has to be to get a pell grant. Together my parents probably didn't make more than $50,000 a year before taxes, and all I qualified for was loans. Not complaining at all, just saying I surprised. I ended up having to take the loans at the time, until shit got bad and I qualified for the pell grant.
 
[quote name='Clak']I'll admit actually, that at least around 5-6 years ago, I was surprised at just how low your income has to be to get a pell grant. Together my parents probably didn't make more than $50,000 a year before taxes, and all I qualified for was loans. Not complaining at all, just saying I surprised. I ended up having to take the loans at the time, until shit got bad and I qualified for the pell grant.[/QUOTE]
Things were a lot better under Clinton. Even my cousin on a $100k plus single earner household income in a $400k house qualified for free aid.

I guess Bush really screwed all your pooches.

I still stand with what I said to M-PG17C though. Mostly because he sounds like a prick...LOLZ
 
[quote name='Clak'].....seriously? The fuck happened, man.[/QUOTE]
Let me be more specific: He went in under Clinton and came out under Bush. He got some free money that covered more than half of his $30k per year tuition, but they started scaling it back after Bush until he got none.

I know someone that worked in a non-grunt job for the state's Board of Higher Education so I'm not talking out of may ass when I say that aid was given liberally.;)

But this is MA, so state aid is pretty good. And let's not forget that Obama restored funding to federal grants.
 
This is almost the perfect solution for providing a pathway to proper citizenship for illegal immigrants. No aid is provided, and residential rates are charged. Must be under 35 and entered the US before the age of 16.The acceptance rate at the CCofM is essentially 100% so no spot is being taken away.
It is all the more poetic in that the policy is a reversal of misguided xenophobic rage following the 2001 terrorist attacks.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I call bullshit on this one. If your household didn't qualify you for any aid, then your household has substantial income AND assets. Not being able to pay the bills doesn't mean shit if they're over-leveraged. Hell, we have pricks on CAG saying that they can't make ends meet making $250k a year. This sounds a lot closer to your situation than some poor kid that was brought over here against their will by their parents trying to better themselves.

I also highly doubt you worked like a slave and left college without any loans, which would have enabled you to live a lot better. I'm also guessing that if you were working "nearly fulltime," you were on off-campus housing. Oh, and were you under your parent's health insurance too? Spare me your sob story.[/QUOTE]

Your parents can contribute zero dollars to your schooling and kick you out on the street, yet their income will count against you for the purpose of financial aid until you're twenty-four. Explain that one.
 
[quote name='Indigo_Streetlight']Your parents can contribute zero dollars to your schooling and kick you out on the street, yet their income will count against you for the purpose of financial aid until you're twenty-four. Explain that one.[/QUOTE]

Marriage?
 
I was pissed when I got out of the military and was told I had to wait a year to get in state tuition at the state I moved to, then watched illegal immigrants get granted in state tuition. The lib in me understands how important education is to making a better life, but the military man in me was furious that the pecking order was illegal immigrant > soldier.
 
[quote name='speedracer']I was pissed when I got out of the military and was told I had to wait a year to get in state tuition at the state I moved to, then watched illegal immigrants get granted in state tuition. The lib in me understands how important education is to making a better life, but the military man in me was furious that the pecking order was illegal immigrant > soldier.[/QUOTE]

You know depending on the state a prisoner could get a 4 year degree for free.
 
[quote name='Indigo_Streetlight']Your parents can contribute zero dollars to your schooling and kick you out on the street, yet their income will count against you for the purpose of financial aid until you're twenty-four. Explain that one.[/QUOTE]
It won't if you can prove you're completely divorced from them.
 
[quote name='Indigo_Streetlight']Your parents can contribute zero dollars to your schooling and kick you out on the street, yet their income will count against you for the purpose of financial aid until you're twenty-four. Explain that one.[/QUOTE]
There's a reason why colleges have a financial aid department and it's not just to do data entry and allocate payments to the right accounts. They can do adjustments to your award, or lack thereof, if your financial status has changed or divorced from your parents like others have chimed in. Don't hate on me from your lack of knowledge of the financial aid process; hate on yourself for being a dumbshit.
 
[quote name='dohdough']There's a reason why colleges have a financial aid department and it's not just to do data entry and allocate payments to the right accounts. They can do adjustments to your award, or lack thereof, if your financial status has changed or divorced from your parents like others have chimed in. Don't hate on me from your lack of knowledge of the financial aid process; hate on yourself for being a dumbshit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, not an easy process at all. After the death of my father I was not allowed to have a change of status even though I proved with many letters of support and with court documents saying my mom had essentially lost custody of me at an early age and since had not had much contact. I was still forced go through a series of unpleasant events to find her and her social security information or give up college entirely.
 
[quote name='cindersphere']Yeah, not an easy process at all. After the death of my father I was not allowed to have a change of status even though I proved with many letters of support and with court documents saying my mom had essentially lost custody of me at an early age and since had not had much contact. I was still forced go through a series of unpleasant events to find her and her social security information or give up college entirely.[/QUOTE]
I'll be honest, it shouldn't be that hard to get an adjustment. The school must've had a real shitty financial aid dept.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I'll be honest, it shouldn't be that hard to get an adjustment. The school must've had a real shitty financial aid dept.[/QUOTE]

I have yet to meet a UC financial aid dept people liked.

But my point remains the same, lack of knowledge shouldn't be the scape goat necessarily.
 
If it's difficult it's probably because if it were too easy you'd have tons of kids claiming they're separated form their parents just to get more aid.
 
[quote name='Clak']If it's difficult it's probably because if it were too easy you'd have tons of kids claiming they're separated form their parents just to get more aid.[/QUOTE]

My dorm roommate from freshman year had both parents together and had a father pulling at least 100k from his job (at least to the point giving his son a grand or two a month to play with) and he was declared independent for some reason beyond me. I firmly believe it is easy for the right people, not for everyone else however.
 
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