Indiana: Guns allowed in Statiums?

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I'm certainly not the kind to fervently support extending conceal carry rights - not because I disagree with them, but because I disagree with the gun rights lobby in terms of tactics and absolutism.

I think that these becoming issues in light of the shooting in Tucson is particularly fascinating - in how it exposes the mentality of how people view issues. They automatically process things in terms of partisanship: 6 are dead and Congressperson Giffords was shot by someone who was carrying concealed - so we should go rush to propose legislation enhancing/extending conceal/carry rights to church and stadiums.

Most importantly, let these politicians reap what they sow. When multiple people are killed inside a stadium (the first group from gunfire, possibly intentional, possibly accidental; the second group from gunfire coming from a would-be superhero who carried his/her firearm into the stadium but neglected to consider how $50 worth of Miller Lite influences their long-range aim in a stadium with tens of thousands of people in it; the third group from fans pushing, shoving, stomping their way out, as tens of thousands try to fit out 3-4 exits, leaving 4-6 people dead from being trampled to death), maybe then we can have a grown up talk about firearm rights that doesn't include two sides making inane comments and being so thoroughly unwilling to concede anything the other side has to say.

...nah. that'll never happen.
 
A few years back they made in legal here to carry concealed firearms in bars.

Only if you aren't drinking though.;)
 
Jim Irsay doesn't have a lot of say since he had the public finance his football cathedral. We have Republican majorities in all branches of state government and they're ramming pro-gun, pro-business, anti-immigrant, anti-environment, and anti-gay legislation through as fast as they can.
 
I'm a biiig proponent of concealed handgun licenses, and expanding the rights of those who wish to go through the legal process of acquiring one, but private organizations can post policy which says they don't permit it. It's not illegal to ignore that and still carry on the premises (at least in Oregon), but if someone from that organization finds out and asks you to leave, if you fail to do so, it's trespassing and becomes illegal. To me, that's the way it should be.
 
[quote name='nasum']Yay for Social Darwinism?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it so I think I'm all for it everywhere except around me.
 
I worry about laws like this until I realize they enable people to shoot Peyton Manning from the comfort of stadium seating. And then the outrage slowly passes.
 
[quote name='berzirk']I'm a biiig proponent of concealed handgun licenses, and expanding the rights of those who wish to go through the legal process of acquiring one, but private organizations can post policy which says they don't permit it. It's not illegal to ignore that and still carry on the premises (at least in Oregon), but if someone from that organization finds out and asks you to leave, if you fail to do so, it's trespassing and becomes illegal. To me, that's the way it should be.[/QUOTE]

Jim Irsay doesn't own Lucas Oil Stadium. The taxpayers do. The CIB operates it. That makes the stadium public property regardless of who leases it for football games, tractor pulls, or motorcross.

He has two options:

1. Bitch and moan about it.

2. Apply and get approved for relocation, break the lease, and pay the penalty for doing so.

Jerry Jones owns Cowboy Stadium and can choose to ban firearms not only for Cowboys games but any other event he chooses.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Jim Irsay doesn't own Lucas Oil Stadium. The taxpayers do. The CIB operates it. That makes the stadium public property regardless of who leases it for football games, tractor pulls, or motorcross.

He has two options:

1. Bitch and moan about it.

2. Apply and get approved for relocation, break the lease, and pay the penalty for doing so.

Jerry Jones owns Cowboy Stadium and can choose to ban firearms not only for Cowboys games but any other event he chooses.[/QUOTE]

I'm not privy to how the agreement is setup, but it's entirely possible that policy for events that take place there are up to the hosting party. So a Lady Gaga concert promoter may be able to say, if you got em, bring 'em, whereas Irsay choose to ban them. Like I said, I don't know, and I can only speak to how some companies choose to enforce it.

I know a lot of people decide to speak with their purchasing decisions when it comes to organizations that are thought to be unfriendly to gun owners. I'm not sure we need a law to allow all legal CHL carriers to be allowed to carry wherever they want (federal property excluded).

FWIW, players are banned from bringing their personal firearams into stadiums by the leagues. That's a bigger offence IMO.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Jim Irsay wouldn't be fighting this if he could ban firearms for Colts games.[/QUOTE]

So which situation bothers you more, the fact that players cannot bring firearms into arenas, or fans can't currently bring guns into the stadium? To me, the player thing bothers me much more, because as public figures, they are more at risk than fans. Media and the general public seem to be OK with the player ban (I'm not, by the way).

And the only reason why (without researching it more) I'm not ready to fully concede that Irsay may be able to ban them or allow them, rather he's arguing that he doesn't want a law which would require them to be allowed. It's still very possible that events determine that policy, not arena management, but like I said, I have nothing to back that up.
 
The way the bill is written states that any building run by municipal or state corporations may not bar occupants from carrying guns on the premises. Jim Irsay wouldn't have to worry about this if he owned Lucas Oil. Instead, he had the taxpayers fund his cathedral and now he has the gall to get pissy when the people want to pass laws that govern it.

As for players and fans carrying guns, I don't think anyone in a stadium should have a gun. Having players strapped to avoid trouble makes no sense because it's not like they could have a small armory on the sideline when they're playing. Most parking lots are secure so it's not like the major problems happen at the stadium. Players (like Sean Taylor) are killed at home not at the stadium.

There's always a risk of getting shot during a trip downtown. What we shouldn't have are five or six John Waynes that spray additional bullets into the crowd to stop what they perceive is a crime. I say perceive because you never know what's going on unless you're in the middle of it. Say, a girl is being harassed and being grabbed on. As a parent, I'd get her out of the situation and maybe throw a punch or two if I know she's safe. If I have a gun, I can pull that out to stop everything dead. Now, what happens when the guy two rows away sees me pull a gun out? Does he pull his out and ask questions or does he start plugging away to stop what he sees as an attempted murder? What happens if I the guys best friend comes back from the beer stand and sees me pointing a gun at his best buddy? Too many problems arise when the general public is strapped in a crowded and chaotic place.
 
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