Woohoo! I can't believe this happened since the incumbent board was on the Republican ticket in a heavily Republican county. I was surprised that I was able to immediately vote when I got to the polls after work, as I had to wait for 40 minutes during the primaries. At least we can put an end to the lawsuit by not appealing the almost certain loss in federal court. Let the Kansas taxpayers pay to take this all of the way to the Supreme Court.
Intelligent design defeated in Dover!
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[quote name='E-Z-B']I thought Dubya was pushing for "no child left behind".[/QUOTE]
I think he had the Rapture in mind when he adopted that slogan for his program.
...as for the ousting of 8 republicans or so who supported Intelligent Design, in favor of eight opponents to its inclusion in science classes in that district, I was pleasantly surprised to hear the news. A little victory for common sense...and there haven't been many recently.
I think he had the Rapture in mind when he adopted that slogan for his program.
...as for the ousting of 8 republicans or so who supported Intelligent Design, in favor of eight opponents to its inclusion in science classes in that district, I was pleasantly surprised to hear the news. A little victory for common sense...and there haven't been many recently.
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[quote name='E-Z-B']And I thought Dubya was pushing for "no child left behind".[/QUOTE]
Perhaps this could be re-phrased as "leave no child a dime."
Perhaps this could be re-phrased as "leave no child a dime."
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Watch out Dover, Pat Robertson has put you on notice!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051110/ts_nm/religion_robertson_dc
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051110/ts_nm/religion_robertson_dc
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lol, I think "God's wrath" has already become apparent with Pat Robertson actually being on this planet:
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.
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"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.
...
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.
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See, if the ID guys were smart they'd quickly denounce robertson. He's the last person they need supporting there campaign. They argue they're about science, not god. They need to do something to actually convince people of that.
But I don't think they're smart enough to do that.
[quote name='E-Z-B']lol, I think "God's wrath" has already become apparent with Pat Robertson actually being on this planet:
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.
...
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.[/QUOTE]
But I don't think they're smart enough to do that.
[quote name='E-Z-B']lol, I think "God's wrath" has already become apparent with Pat Robertson actually being on this planet:
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.
...
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='E-Z-B']lol, I think "God's wrath" has already become apparent with Pat Robertson actually being on this planet:
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.
...
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.[/QUOTE]
We already had a major disaster. It's called the Bush re-election.
Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.
...
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.[/QUOTE]
We already had a major disaster. It's called the Bush re-election.
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Update:
Judge rules against ‘intelligent design’
'Religious alternative' to evolution cannot be taught in public school classes
HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" is "a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory" and cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial.
Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said.
“We find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom,” he wrote in his 139-page opinion.
“The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy,” Jones wrote, adding that several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs.
“We conclude that the religious nature of ID would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child," Jones said.
The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation. It required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement said Charles Darwin’s theory is “not a fact” and has inexplicable “gaps” and referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, “Of Pandas and People,” for more information.
Jones blasted the disclaimer, saying it "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource and instructs students to forgo scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."
The judge made a point of criticizing the school board members and the "breathtaking inanity" of their decision. “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy," he wrote.
“Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge," Jones wrote. "If so, they will have erred. ... Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. ... The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.”
“What this really looks like is an ad hominem attack on scientists who happen to believe in God,” Thompson said of Jones’ ruling.
Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether evolution disclaimer stickers placed in a school system’s biology textbooks were unconstitutional. A federal judge in January ordered Cobb County school officials to immediately remove the stickers, which called evolution a theory, not a fact.
In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question. Kansas Board of Education Chairman Steve Abrams, who supported that state’s new standards, said the circumstances in Kansas and Pennsylvania are much different, given that the Dover board mandated intelligent design in its curriculum.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/
Wow, I bet God is really pissed at Dover now. Well, according to Falwell and Robertson anyway.
Judge rules against ‘intelligent design’
'Religious alternative' to evolution cannot be taught in public school classes
HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" is "a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory" and cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial.
Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said.
“We find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom,” he wrote in his 139-page opinion.
“The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy,” Jones wrote, adding that several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs.
“We conclude that the religious nature of ID would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child," Jones said.
The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation. It required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement said Charles Darwin’s theory is “not a fact” and has inexplicable “gaps” and referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, “Of Pandas and People,” for more information.
Jones blasted the disclaimer, saying it "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource and instructs students to forgo scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."
The judge made a point of criticizing the school board members and the "breathtaking inanity" of their decision. “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy," he wrote.
“Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge," Jones wrote. "If so, they will have erred. ... Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. ... The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.”
“What this really looks like is an ad hominem attack on scientists who happen to believe in God,” Thompson said of Jones’ ruling.
Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether evolution disclaimer stickers placed in a school system’s biology textbooks were unconstitutional. A federal judge in January ordered Cobb County school officials to immediately remove the stickers, which called evolution a theory, not a fact.
In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question. Kansas Board of Education Chairman Steve Abrams, who supported that state’s new standards, said the circumstances in Kansas and Pennsylvania are much different, given that the Dover board mandated intelligent design in its curriculum.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/
Wow, I bet God is really pissed at Dover now. Well, according to Falwell and Robertson anyway.
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[quote name='RBM']I think he had the Rapture in mind when he adopted that slogan for his program.
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Everytime I hear this I think of one of my bio teachers from catholic high school. She was always getting yelled at for stupid things (like wearing jeans in violation of the teachers dress code) and didn't think very highly of religion having a role in non religious areas.
"So I'm supposed to say darwin's theory is not a fact and there are unexplained gaps and you should go read "of pandas and people". There's a bunch of other crap I could tell you, but that's all I'm required to say"
"So I'm supposed to say darwin's theory is not a fact and there are unexplained gaps and you should go read "of pandas and people". There's a bunch of other crap I could tell you, but that's all I'm required to say"
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Just ran across this article. The article is no longer normally available but is one of those ones that comes up when you hit the "cache" option in google.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:s6_W2HhI8oIJ:www.yorkdispatch.com/Stories/0,1413,138%25257E10021%25257E2966761,00.html+%22The+draft+mentioned+%E2%80%9Ccreationism%E2%80%9D+frequently.+But+in+the+final+copy+of+the+book,+after+the+title+was+changed,+the+word+creationism+was+replaced+with+the+phrase+%E2%80%9Cintelligent+design.%E2%80%9D%22&hl=en
When a book can simply change the term creationism to intelligent design, why would anyone believe there is any difference?
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:s6_W2HhI8oIJ:www.yorkdispatch.com/Stories/0,1413,138%25257E10021%25257E2966761,00.html+%22The+draft+mentioned+%E2%80%9Ccreationism%E2%80%9D+frequently.+But+in+the+final+copy+of+the+book,+after+the+title+was+changed,+the+word+creationism+was+replaced+with+the+phrase+%E2%80%9Cintelligent+design.%E2%80%9D%22&hl=en
When a book can simply change the term creationism to intelligent design, why would anyone believe there is any difference?
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