Is it just me... or does EGM seemed biased against the DS?

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Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?
 
Sure, but it makes sense- Sony can pay them more, give them more free stuff.

Gree lets think about it-

1. Here, have a bunch of free PS2's and any free hardware that you could want and oh.. did you want a few for your home and friends?
2. Free tickets to insider shows, exclusive previews all the time. Sony's less concerned about being totally secretive than Nintendo.
3. Nintendo non-portable systems have not done 1/10 as well as Sony.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Probley because Sony hasnt "messed" up with a system yet so there shit dont stink.

Where as Nintendo has . So it seems like they are taking a cautious approach.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Maybe the DS is just NOT GOOD[/quote]

No thats not it, it is a great system as lond as Nintendo and the third partys dont trreat is as a gimick.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]

i sure hope it doesnt become the next virtual boy, although i agree that most games, and the system, are very gimmicky, but i think if nintendo and their 3rd party devolopers just realize the touch screen is lame (it cramps my hand to play games with it) and just devolop games where i press buttons that the system could have a nice turn around. they could drop the stylus and still use 2 screens, maps are always handy and such. the end.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

On topic: I don't think they have been as negative on the DS and as positive on the PSP as you do, but maybe I'm wrong.

And off topic (like most of you here): I don't know what you guys are talking about who are bashing EGM. They do not take payoffs. They have, in fact, lost many advertisers and such because they will not bend to their demands (i.e. giving a crap game a higher score). As an example, there was a recent game released which was expected to do very well. EGM went to the company, asking for an exclusive (one month lead time) review with the game. They said, sure, but you have to promise a high score. Hsu said screw you (my own words) and the company went to another mag (GamePro) and gave them the exclusive under the same condition as revenge. I even remember SunSoft pulling their ads in the mid 90's. Egm has traditionally been one of, if not the highest integrity mags out there. Sure, I do not hold them under the same standard today under the direction of ZD and Dan Hsu as I did when they were owned by Sendai Publishing and Ed Semrad, but they are still one of (if not the) best. And they are no where near having become a GamePro or Nintendo Power.
 
It's all just opinions. The portable wars are getting OLD at this point. Buy which ever one you want. I'll probably end up with both. Yes the DS doesn't have a shit ton of games yet just like any launch. Why do people keep thinking games were going to appear from NOWHERE LAND? The PSP launch looks like a bunch of PS2 games played on a handheld. Yeah its sleek, black, and has a big screen. I haven't heard any super huge holy craps about the games. Yeah Nintendo the gimmick company that made gaming what it is today... There would never have been a playstation without Nintendo. AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING SOMETHING NEW SO WE DON'T KEEP BUYING THE SAME GAMES OVER AND OVER LIKE MINDLESS DRONES. I can't wait to get a PSP....I already own the DS.

YEAH VIDEO GAMES!!! YEAH!!!

:D
 
The VB arguments are moot at this point. The thing is a success regardless of what you think of it as a peice of hardware. It has surpassed Nintendo's OWN expectations of it. SO just throw that out the window now. I'm just wondering if its just me, or if EGM is really pushing the PSP hard as hell. It really does start to make me think about journalistic integrety. I mean the goddamthing is front and center on the cover... the DS is literally BEHIND the PSP. Sure EGM has been hard on Nintendo in the past... everyone has (I've come to realize that since it is the oldest console making company and since most of the journalists out there loved their NES, Nintendo's "failures" of late hit them hardest and get reported on the most) but this DS stuff is just ridiculous.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']The VB arguments are moot at this point. The thing is a success regardless of what you think of it as a peice of hardware. It has surpassed Nintendo's OWN expectations of it. SO just throw that out the window now. I'm just wondering if its just me, or if EGM is really pushing the PSP hard as hell. It really does start to make me think about journalistic integrety. I mean the goddamthing is front and center on the cover...[/quote]

The DS has gotten plenty of coverage as well. It's already out now. People know what it's about. The PSP is the next launch...
 
[quote name='pumbaa']The VB arguments are moot at this point. The thing is a success regardless of what you think of it as a peice of hardware. It has surpassed Nintendo's OWN expectations of it. SO just throw that out the window now. I'm just wondering if its just me, or if EGM is really pushing the PSP hard as hell. It really does start to make me think about journalistic integrety. I mean the goddamthing is front and center on the cover... the DS is literally BEHIND the PSP. Sure EGM has been hard on Nintendo in the past... everyone has (I've come to realize that since it is the oldest console making company and since most of the journalists out there loved their NES, Nintendo's "failures" of late hit them hardest and get reported on the most) but this DS stuff is just ridiculous.[/quote]

theres no such thing as journalistic integrety
 
On the PSP/DS topic I would say EGM seems pretty much fair to both systems. I would love to read their review when they actually get their hands on the PSP and deal with any hardware issues (if any). But so far, they seem fair. Although they seem to bash Nintendo a lot more because they do not offer online gaming (as if it was a requirement).

I love EGM but my only complaint against them in general is that they bash a lot of games out there that do not have either online capabilities or an incredible set up of mutliplayer modes.

I am not into the whole online thing (not yet anyway) but bashing a great game (or system) for not having it seems to me a bit too trivial. Some people live on online gaming but most people I know barely have enough time to play a single player mode. So I think they are baised against games (or systems) that do not offer online options.

I would consider online just as an extra option and not a requirement that each game should have as EGM seems to demand. That's their opinion I guess but the bashing for not having it has got to go!
 
It's just you.

Nah. EGM might be biased, but to say that sony is buying off its critics is, well.... retarded.

Look everyone is going to like one system over the other for one reason or another. Maybe because they're Nintendo or Sony fanboys (get a life) or simply because they prefer one system over another for some reason (maybe they like the look of the PSP better, of the feel of the DS in your hands). Now reviewers are supposed to be neutral, but then at the same time have an opinions. That's impossible! So they picks sides, sometimes your side loses. Deal with it. We've all seen unfavorable reviews for some game that we just loved, heck there's even been a few topics about it, so it's bound to happen with whole systems. And plus, you're more likely to remember the negative things people say about stuff you like than the positive. So, quit whining, and go enjoy your system!
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]

I tend to agree.

I just think the DS hasn't proven it will succeed yet. There's no software out there that justifies it having two screens and one touch screen. Sure Feel the Magic is kinda cool, but in no way is that going to sell systems.

On the other side, the PSP is a traditional handheld with superb graphics and excellent features. There are a few weak areas with the PSP, but so far none of them affect the software.

That's why, I believe, a lot of previews may look positive for the PSP and not so positive for the DS.

I think I was one of the biggest DS supporters around here in the months leading up to its launch. I had the system and it was okay. That's all I can say about it really. I felt it was more of a gimmick than anything else.

I would love for Nintendo to prove me wrong and come out with some really kick ass games, but I still don't see any software that really makes good use of the technology.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']The VB arguments are moot at this point. The thing is a success regardless of what you think of it as a peice of hardware. It has surpassed Nintendo's OWN expectations of it. SO just throw that out the window now. I'm just wondering if its just me, or if EGM is really pushing the PSP hard as hell. It really does start to make me think about journalistic integrety. I mean the goddamthing is front and center on the cover... the DS is literally BEHIND the PSP. Sure EGM has been hard on Nintendo in the past... everyone has (I've come to realize that since it is the oldest console making company and since most of the journalists out there loved their NES, Nintendo's "failures" of late hit them hardest and get reported on the most) but this DS stuff is just ridiculous.[/quote]

Actually, a lot of the journalists of today's generation were either too young to play anything pre-PS1 or were brought into gaming by the "cool" PS1. So if you ever see bias, I'd say that's where it comes from. But you just have to deal with it.

It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left. It just turns out that one of his organizations ends up being moderate overall (there are both conservatives and liberals who work there) and in comparison to the rest of the elite media, they end up looking overly conservative. I've seen Bush bashing and whatnot on FoxNews too. Give me a news organization (or the Presidency) and you'll think right-wing.
 
IMHO I dont really think they are biased. I have played the DS a little. It seems like it has some cool features. But the games out right now are nothing great.
Hopefuly there will be some great ones in the future.
I just think they are making a statement on what they have right now. And that is not that great.
 
U know, I just finished reading this month's issue of EGM and was thinking the same thing. Lots of praise for PSP games, but "approach with caution" wording for DS & its games.

I WILL say that the only thing remotely appealing to me on the DS so far is that Castevania DS! Man, that looks awesome! It might even warrant me to buy the system just for that game alone!
 
[quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='pumbaa']The VB arguments are moot at this point. The thing is a success regardless of what you think of it as a peice of hardware. It has surpassed Nintendo's OWN expectations of it. SO just throw that out the window now. I'm just wondering if its just me, or if EGM is really pushing the PSP hard as hell. It really does start to make me think about journalistic integrety. I mean the goddamthing is front and center on the cover...[/quote]

The DS has gotten plenty of coverage as well. It's already out now. People know what it's about. The PSP is the next launch...[/quote]

I was going to say the same thing.

Before the DS launch, everyone wanted to read about it. Now that it's out, we know all about it.

Now it's the PSP's turn. Everyone wants to read about the PSP, it's price and when it will launch.

EGM wants to sell magazines. Plain and simple. If they feel the PSP on the front page will sell the most mags, then by golly, that's what you're gonna get.
 
Approach with caution would genernally be a fair statment to make since many DS games are strange and different and it's obvious that dispite selling over 2 million systems already and people still trying to claim it'll flop, that not everyone is going to like "strange and different".

The better question is why anyone still reads EGM when you can get all the information they give faster and free from the internet?
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?
 
I suppose it makes sense that the PSP is getting more coverage because the DS is released now, but if you look at back issues... the DS has always been met with "approach with caution" wording... wheras the PSP has always been worded as "its so cool we know your going to buy it anyways" wording. It just seems kind of well, dumb that they aren't address the PSP's shortcomings. Then again, maybe their deadlines didn't allow them to see some of the bad parts of the PSP launch and the 2.8 mil launch figure.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

I think the most recent cover art for EGM (with all the portables on it) tells qute a story about their interests.

Then again, is culture (such as this magazine) caused by fan interest, or does it create fan interest? (The answer, of course, is yes.

myke.
 
[quote name='phattyphat69'][quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?[/quote]

While attending Oxford, Rupert Murdoch was active in the Labour Club, and he actively supported the Australian Labor Party for some years (he is natively Australian). Since 1975, however, he has generally supported the Liberal Party. Yes, he did support Margaret Thatcher (Conservative Party), but he also supported Tony Blair and his Labour Party. And yes, he does currently support George W., I know. But so do many liberals. And none of that changes the fact that he owns many nespapers and other media outlets worldwide which are, in fact very liberal.
 
[quote name='phattyphat69'][quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?[/quote]

Or station manager Roger Ailes, for that matter? Who in the fuck on Fox is a liberal other than Alan Colmes (who's just a charicature anyway; protraying him as a liberal on Hannity's show - and it is Hannity's show - is like those old "Shawn Michaels and the midget Bret Hart" segments you may or may not recall; it's comedy, and the weaker of the two is not to be taken seriously).

Who else is a liberal on Fox? I'll tell you who's clearly conservative: Brit Hume, John Gibson, Bill O'Reilly, Neil Cavuto, all three Fox & Friends guys, Sean Hannity, and Tony Snow.

Good god, morphiend, I'll be nice to you on the wrestling thread, but calling fox objective is like calling yourself intelligent.

myke.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='phattyphat69'][quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?[/quote]

While attending Oxford, Rupert Murdoch was active in the Labour Club, and he actively supported the Australian Labor Party for some years (he is natively Australian). Since 1975, however, he has generally supported the Liberal Party. Yes, he did support Margaret Thatcher (Conservative Party), but he also supported Tony Blair and his Labour Party. And yes, he does currently support George W., I know. But so do many liberals. And none of that changes the fact that he owns many nespapers and other media outlets worldwide which are, in fact very liberal.[/quote]

Name me something liberal he owns. And The Simpsons do not count.

myke.
 
[quote name='pumbaa']I suppose it makes sense that the PSP is getting more coverage because the DS is released now, but if you look at back issues... the DS has always been met with "approach with caution" wording... wheras the PSP has always been worded as "its so cool we know your going to buy it anyways" wording. It just seems kind of well, dumb that they aren't address the PSP's shortcomings. Then again, maybe their deadlines didn't allow them to see some of the bad parts of the PSP launch and the 2.8 mil launch figure.[/quote]

Have you read the blogs of the EGM editors? Even though many are Sony fanboys, almost all of them have complained about dead pixels, games popping out, lame analog nub, etc. Just like when HL2 came out, despite them loving HL/HL2, they all complained about Steam Authetication. The PSP has not been released stateside, so they have only given editorials in the mag itself, as opposed to actual reviews.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for the PSP, I'm just saying try to be more fair yourself when you cry foul. Remember pre DS/PSP days when there was only the GBA? Remember how those editrors who hate GCN and N64 but love either Sony or M$ also wouldn't ever dream of parting with their SP's? Let's just give them a chance to give an actual review before we say they are being unfair. Every mag has been guilty of hyping up a certain game that they give a bad review to when they get a final copy. This is the same type of situation. The final version (U.S.) is not yet in their hands.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]

I think I agree. I'm a huge Nintendop fan - the Gamecube is my favorite current system but the DS just seems lame... especially compared to the PSP... I hope they start developing more innovative games that make me want to buy it...
 
The Virtual Boy comparison is no longer applicable at all, because the DS sold more by 2005 than the VB probably did in its entire lifespan. It wouldn't even matter if the DS didn't have any more games come out after 2005, it would still be 10 times more commercially successful than the VB.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='phattyphat69'][quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?[/quote]

Or station manager Roger Ailes, for that matter? Who in the shaq-fu on Fox is a liberal other than Alan Colmes (who's just a charicature anyway; protraying him as a liberal on Hannity's show - and it is Hannity's show - is like those old "Shawn Michaels and the midget Bret Hart" segments you may or may not recall; it's comedy, and the weaker of the two is not to be taken seriously).

Who else is a liberal on Fox? I'll tell you who's clearly conservative: Brit Hume, John Gibson, Bill O'Reilly, Neil Cavuto, all three Fox & Friends guys, Sean Hannity, and Tony Snow.

Good god, morphiend, I'll be nice to you on the wrestling thread, but calling fox objective is like calling yourself intelligent.

myke.[/quote]

You can't convince someone of something that they refuse to see. Rupert's own history speaks the truth.

And besides, you must have not read the part that phat didn't quote. I said that I could show you what conservativism is if you wanted. I see myself as O'Reilly sees himself, a right leaning moderate (and I have a lot of the same views as O'Reilly - but some more "liberal" and some more "conservative"). So out of the people you named, the only one I see as a little "off base" is Sean Hannity. Anyway, I'm going to stop trying to explain. Like I said, you don't want to see. I don't know why I even dignified your comment with a remark. You were unnecessarily rude with your namecalling and swearing at me. Just to let you know, I have many liberal friends and enjoy being around liberals (I sure enjoy being on this board - except when people start calling me names, but I'm used to that). I know that everyone wants what's best for everyone, we all just have a different way of thinking how it should be done - it's all your perspective. Like I said before, this part is off-topic. Let's just get back on topic.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']The Virtual Boy comparison is no longer applicable at all, because the DS sold more by 2005 than the VB probably did in its entire lifespan. It wouldn't even matter if the DS didn't have any more games come out after 2005, it would still be 10 times more commercially successful than the VB.[/quote]

I don't consider them selling a bunch of hardware based on hype a huge sucess. If no good software comes out, I can see 2 million people looking back in disgust at their purchase. And ten years from now everyone looking back at the DS as a Virtual Boy that happened to sell more units.

I'd love to be wrong and see some great games come out and show the system really does have promise other than pure gimmick factor.. but I don't see it on the horizon right now.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='phattyphat69'][quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?[/quote]

Or station manager Roger Ailes, for that matter? Who in the shaq-fu on Fox is a liberal other than Alan Colmes (who's just a charicature anyway; protraying him as a liberal on Hannity's show - and it is Hannity's show - is like those old "Shawn Michaels and the midget Bret Hart" segments you may or may not recall; it's comedy, and the weaker of the two is not to be taken seriously).

Who else is a liberal on Fox? I'll tell you who's clearly conservative: Brit Hume, John Gibson, Bill O'Reilly, Neil Cavuto, all three Fox & Friends guys, Sean Hannity, and Tony Snow.

Good god, morphiend, I'll be nice to you on the wrestling thread, but calling fox objective is like calling yourself intelligent.

myke.[/quote]

You can't convince someone of something that they refuse to see. Rupert's own history speaks the truth.

And besides, you must have not read the part that phat didn't quote. I said that I could show you what conservativism is if you wanted. I see myself as O'Reilly sees himself, a right leaning moderate (and I have a lot of the same views as O'Reilly - but some more "liberal" and some more "conservative"). So out of the people you named, the only one I see as a little "off base" is Sean Hannity. Anyway, I'm going to stop trying to explain. Like I said, you don't want to see. I don't know why I even dignified your comment with a remark. You were unnecessarily rude with your namecalling and swearing at me. Just to let you know, I have many liberal friends and enjoy being around liberals (I sure enjoy being on this board - except when people start calling me names, but I'm used to that). I know that everyone wants what's best for everyone, we all just have a different way of thinking how it should be done - it's all your perspective. Like I said before, this part is off-topic. Let's just get back on topic.[/quote]

damn you and your level headed rationality!!! sorry for being snarky, although I don't disagree with anything I said (other than the name calling, which I should be above).

Back on topic: EGM, to me, really seems into the PSP.

On the other hand, the lack of "big name" titles for the DS seems to be hurting it; of those that *are* upcoming big titles, we aren't hearing much about (WarioWare, Mario "not 64" DS, Animal Crossing). Admittedly, EGM gave 5 pages to Castlevania in the recent issue.

Growing up reading Nintendo Power, though...that'll warp yer brain. I resubbed a year ago to get a free Zelda disc, and that thing is no different than it ever was. ick.

myke.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']EGM is to videogames as FoxNews is to news.[/quote]

:lol: Even as a republican, I still found your comment pretty funny.
 
[quote name='phattyphat69'][quote name='MorPhiend']It's just like having to deal with the fact that liberals think FoxNews is right-wing. Yeah, FoxNews, owned by a liberal fool who also owns other organizations that are far-left.[/quote]

Hi. Have you met Rupert Murdoch?[/quote]

Tell me about it. This may be the first time the term "liberal" has ever been in the same room with Rupert Murdoch. Is this guy serious?

Oh, and for those of you dismayed with the uneven quality of videogame journalism, I *highly* recommend reading the Video Game Ombudsman. He's trying to bring some consistency and respectability to the trade. He tracks all the videogame news outlets (and reporting on the subject in the mainstream press), pointing out what could be improved and what they get right. He's also leading the effort to assemble a style guide, which is MUCH needed based on the inconsistency I've seen across the board.

The simultaneous blessing and curse of videogame journalists is that, for most part, they usually fit the gamer stereotype: single males in their late teens to early 30s. The up side is that these guys know their audience and there's a definite sense of "Wow! I could do that!" The down side is they generally have little or no formal journalistic training and may have only rudimentary understanding of the ethics, standards, and skills required by formal journalism. Most of what flies in videogame mags and sites would never fly in the mainstream media, and I'm not just talking about sloppy grammar. I'd like to see that change, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
 
As amused as I am about the Fox News comment, I'll try to stick to the topic.

I am sick and freaking tired of gamers claiming magazines and other gaming enthusiast outlets are biased. Give it a damn break already!

Guess what? We have to buy our consoles just like you do (the only time Sony has given away non-debug consoles is at the PS2 launch, where they gave attendees -- most of which were NOT media -- PSones)! Guess what else? We have our own opinions on things just like you do! And guess what else? The things you like, some of them have flaws!

The word "biased" gets thrown around way, way, way too much. I personally have a bias against things that suck, and a bias for cool things. I believe most people sway that way. However, what one person things is cool, another may find sucky.

Just because EGM, or any other outlet, is giving PSP more coverage now or may point out some of DS's shortcomings does NOT make them biased. They are analyzing the gaming climate. Plus, PSP is too new to really know much about the flaws, as it isn't out yet, but they will be pointed out when they come to light. Besides, I don't think anyone but the biggest Nintendo fanboys can deny that A) DS needs more games and fast, and B) Nintendo has problems with third-party publisher relations.

I played PSP, and I'm into it. I haven't been thrilled with DS yet. Does that make me biased? No, because I'm basing my opinion on the facts that I know. There's a big difference. Bias is "A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment," or "An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice." I believe gaming journalists, like myself, try to be fair and impartial -- much more so than the general gaming populace. However, if we were 100% impartial, all games would get 10s. Think about this before you use that term again, won't you?
 
[quote name='Alpha2']Approach with caution would genernally be a fair statment to make since many DS games are strange and different and it's obvious that dispite selling over 2 million systems already and people still trying to claim it'll flop, that not everyone is going to like "strange and different".

The better question is why anyone still reads EGM when you can get all the information they give faster and free from the internet?[/quote]

well I for one do when i get it to keep up on the other areas I missed out on.

I have had all three current generations systems each mutliple times. Kind of like phases. I think at this point since I dont have time for RPgs that Cube and Xbox are my personal top two choices. Xbox isnt even as high as the cube... Well because I did most that stuff 5+ years ago on the PC.

But I read the magz to see what I missed for the PS2 and Xbox and the PC. I simply do not have the itme to follow up on them all anymore.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]

Well atleast we know cornfedweb isn't biased :roll: I guess one person's innovation is another person's gimmick.

The truth is we will have to wait for the PSP comes out to judge for ourselves. Previews always make the next game/system coming out look like the best thing ever. If we went by previews Fable would have been the best RPG of all time. The DS got this kind of hype before it came out as well. EGM is not biased toward the PSP, they are just hyping up forthcoming products, as is the nature of the business.

I think some people need to give the DS more time, before calling it a gimmick or all the games "childish and just plain stupid". The system just came out and doesn't have that many games yet. It is a bit premature to judge whether it is a gimmick or not, let us see what happens with its features and how developers utilize the system.

I remember another system that didn't have a lot of great launch games, and took a while before it did, meanwhile other systems coming out had great hype. That system was the PS2.
 
[quote name='msdmoney'][quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]


Well atleast we know cornfedweb isn't biased :roll: I guess one person's innovation is another person's gimmick.

The truth is we will have to wait for the PSP comes out to judge for ourselves. Previews always make the next game/system coming out look like the best thing ever. If we went by previews Fable would have been the best RPG of all time. The DS got this kind of hype before it came out as well. EGM is not biased toward the PSP, they are just hyping up forthcoming products, as is the nature of the business.

I think some people need to give the DS more time, before calling it a gimmick or all the games "childish and just plain stupid". The system just came out and doesn't have that many games yet. It is a bit premature to judge whether it is a gimmick or not, let us see what happens with its features and how developers utilize the system.

I remember another system that didn't have a lot of great launch games, and took a while before it did, meanwhile other systems coming out had great hype. That system was the PS2.[/quote]


Yes, but there was tons of info on games that would be coming out for the PS2, and there's seemingly just scraps and bones on the DS. Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.
 
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Ok so Bias gets used to much as does extreme...
So
I find EGM Extremely Biased.

Or is it

Biased to the Extreme?!?


Anybody want some corn nuts? Deoderant? Shit Extreme flavored Dorritos?
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

*Dreamcast rolls over in grave*
 
The only thing I don't like about EGM right now is that they get lazy and don't review all the games they get. I wanted to see what they would give Budokai 3 since they had reviewed the first 2 games. When I got the issue, they wussed out and didn't review and gave it some lame comments in the Review Wrap-Up. They do these kinds of things so they can put more pictures of games like Halo 2, which is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. They used to do it a couple of years ago in the old design of the mag, back when they had previews, too.

In a letter about this problem they asked a question: Would you rather have more pictures of Halo 2 or a small acual review of Otogi 2? I'd pick a review, since I can look at pictures on the net whenever I want. They should stop giving these paragragh long comments on these games they "wish" they could reviews and take a couple pictures out to spare some room for them. Why bother having a review archive when there's a bunch of games missing. They've just cut too much stuff and just don't seem as good as they were a few years ago.
 
Keep this thread on topic or it will be locked (in other words, let's stay away from politics).
As for the DS and no good games coming out, just wait until you play Yoshi's Touch & Go. THEN make your decision.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali'][quote name='msdmoney'][quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]


Well atleast we know cornfedweb isn't biased :roll: I guess one person's innovation is another person's gimmick.

The truth is we will have to wait for the PSP comes out to judge for ourselves. Previews always make the next game/system coming out look like the best thing ever. If we went by previews Fable would have been the best RPG of all time. The DS got this kind of hype before it came out as well. EGM is not biased toward the PSP, they are just hyping up forthcoming products, as is the nature of the business.

I think some people need to give the DS more time, before calling it a gimmick or all the games "childish and just plain stupid". The system just came out and doesn't have that many games yet. It is a bit premature to judge whether it is a gimmick or not, let us see what happens with its features and how developers utilize the system.

I remember another system that didn't have a lot of great launch games, and took a while before it did, meanwhile other systems coming out had great hype. That system was the PS2.[/quote]


Yes, but there was tons of info on games that would be coming out for the PS2, and there's seemingly just scraps and bones on the DS. Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

Wasn't going head to head with any serious contenders? XBOX and GCN weren't serious contenders?

I think 120 games are coming out this year for the DS according to a recent announcement.
 
[quote name='msdmoney'][quote name='Chris in Cali'][quote name='msdmoney'][quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]


Well atleast we know cornfedweb isn't biased :roll: I guess one person's innovation is another person's gimmick.

The truth is we will have to wait for the PSP comes out to judge for ourselves. Previews always make the next game/system coming out look like the best thing ever. If we went by previews Fable would have been the best RPG of all time. The DS got this kind of hype before it came out as well. EGM is not biased toward the PSP, they are just hyping up forthcoming products, as is the nature of the business.

I think some people need to give the DS more time, before calling it a gimmick or all the games "childish and just plain stupid". The system just came out and doesn't have that many games yet. It is a bit premature to judge whether it is a gimmick or not, let us see what happens with its features and how developers utilize the system.

I remember another system that didn't have a lot of great launch games, and took a while before it did, meanwhile other systems coming out had great hype. That system was the PS2.[/quote]


Yes, but there was tons of info on games that would be coming out for the PS2, and there's seemingly just scraps and bones on the DS. Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

Wasn't going head to head with any serious contenders? XBOX and GCN weren't serious contenders?

I think 120 games are coming out this year for the DS according to a recent announcement.[/quote]

I think he's talking about at the PS2's release, but then I'll remind him of the Dreamcast. Pretty fierce competition there, and we all know who won that round.
 
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