Is Sex With Teachers or Instuctors Really This Bad?

PittsburghAfterDark

PittsburghAfterDark

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I read, like many of you, about that teacher in Tennessee that had sex repeatedly with a 13 year old student. I've also seen/heard surveys that up to 2% of students in grade school to high school have been sexually abused/assaulted by their teachers. Given that figure, let's assume many kids don't say boo for fear of outing themselves and that figure is doubled.

Is it possible that public schools now have a greater percentage of molestors in their midsts than the Catholic Church ever did?

I've been out of school for a while now and I know this is a younger crowd so I'm asking, are things as bad as these incidents seem? Is this the tip of the iceberg? Do any of you know kids that this has happened to?

About the worst I ever heard about was the male teacher that stared a bit too long at someone. I never experienced anything personally and obviously don't know anyone that did and talked about it.

Do you think this is a problem more widespread than being reported and sat on by teachers unions, principals and administrators?
 
I don't know how widespread the problem is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a full blown epidemic.

Since middle school I have heard about teachers getting frisky with students, and a lot of times it was the slutty teen girls who just couldn't get enough of their favorite male teacher who they thought was cool or hot or whatever. How many middle aged teachers can resist young teens who throw themselves on them? And when I was in tenth grade there where a ton of rumors about one of the main art teachers giving the girls good grades in exchange for sexual favors.
 
In college I've seen a bit of it but in high schools the students are never good at keeping stuff secret, if this happened more often I believe we would see quite a few lawsuits against school districts by enraged parents.
 
There was this teacher in my high school that girls kept developing crushes on and kept spending a lot of time with. One of my best friends (who I had a major crush on) was one of those girls. There was always a few rumors about him, particularly my friend and him, but they were never very widespread. Then again, I think she was 16 when she started spending a lot of time with him, so it's not bad. In MA the age of consent is 18, but at least it's not pedophelia.

edit: Zion mentioned college, my college even has rules in place in the event a relationship arises during the school year (or if there is already a relationship). A third party has to correct all of the students tests and papers. I'm not sure about at all schools, but it isn't forbidden at mine.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']
edit: Zion mentioned college, my college even has rules in place in the event a relationship arises during the school year (or if there is already a relationship). A third party has to correct all of the students tests and papers. I'm not sure about at all schools, but it isn't forbidden at mine.[/quote]

I simply meant to say that it occasionally occurs at the colleges I've been to, often between grad students and professors or undergrads. I doubt it's against school policy but it allows for potential abuse of power and few if any of these relationships were public enough to fall under rule at your college. In fact in most cases the relationship was primarilyl sex, the problem is sometimes these things breakdown in the middle of a semester and the results are not pretty.
 
Wow what a great way to blast public education and the teacher's union. Congrats, at least it is orginal. If students are abused at public school, they are equally or probablly more abuse at private, religious and home schools.

That said, my college track coach married one of his high school students. (after she graduated of course). I don't know their whole history but they did "meet" in high school.
 
When I was in high school, I don't remember ever hearing about this type of behavior occuring. If it did at all, it was never revealed to the student body. During my last year at college there was something going around about a professor and a student, but no details as to who and the age differences.

It just seems like no child is safe anymore (and maybe never really was, things become more public now). Stuff like this goes on, and it's terrible. And just in general, not just teacher-student. Who knows if it is occuring more frequently than in the past? It's surely being reported more frequently, but is that really telltale?
 
I think studies in 2003/2004 placed the numbers at more like 7-10% or so had some sort of relations in violation of the rules with their educators. So, I certainly think it's definately something that needs more attention paid to it.

[quote name='usickenme']Wow what a great way to blast public education and the teacher's union. Congrats, at least it is orginal. If students are abused at public school, they are equally or probablly more abuse at private, religious and home schools.
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You seem so bothered by this, yet apparently you're the only one that brought up the issue and then imply others were blasting public schools instead of private.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

Is it possible that public schools now have a greater percentage of molestors in their midsts than the Catholic Church ever did?
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That's not possible, the Catholic Church is full of perverts, even the people who just go there for Sunday service.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']

You seem so bothered by this, yet apparently you're the only one that brought up the issue and then imply others were blasting public schools instead of private.[/quote]

actually the OP made the distinction and given his history, it was a easy catch.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Duo_Maxwell']

You seem so bothered by this, yet apparently you're the only one that brought up the issue and then imply others were blasting public schools instead of private.[/quote]

actually the OP made the distinction and given his history, it was a easy catch.[/quote]

I'm no fan of his history either but unless he eluded to something I missed I guess I failed to see the distinction he made between public and private schools with this issue. Besides mentioning teacher unions, which usually, but doesn't always, mean public schools.


[quote name='David85'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

Is it possible that public schools now have a greater percentage of molestors in their midsts than the Catholic Church ever did?
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That's not possible, the Catholic Church is full of perverts, even the people who just go there for Sunday service.[/quote]

:roll: Nice productive comment there...It's good to see you're not a supporter of outrageous stereotypes.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

About the worst I ever heard about was the male teacher that stared a bit too long at someone. I never experienced anything personally and obviously don't know anyone that did and talked about it.

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Duh, no one would stare at you, even more so a guy.

I went to high school and there were several that would look at students. One, the wrestling coach would look at guys. Which leads to the only stereotype that is correct.
 
I have an even worse story about teachers. I'm in 11th grade now but I remember back in elementary school we had this Gym teacher who was a complete pervert. I remember he used to teach us "dancing". Old fashion like Waltz and stuff. But he would always pick two girls and of course they were the most attractive(well for 5th graders anyway). He would really hold them tight and squeez them. Even us kids noticed it and we were only 10 years old. Also,. our school used to have a pick nick sometimes and he would always be there and have girls sit in his lap. Even my mom picked up on it and we constantly talk about what a sicko he was. He never did anything to them but if he was a high school teacher he would have if he was given the oppurtunity.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']I'm no fan of his history either but unless he eluded to something I missed I guess I failed to see the distinction he made between public and private schools with this issue..[/quote]

Let me help you:

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Is it possible that :!: public :!: schools now have a greater percentage of molestors in their midsts than the Catholic Church ever did?[/quote]
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Duo_Maxwell']

You seem so bothered by this, yet apparently you're the only one that brought up the issue and then imply others were blasting public schools instead of private.[/quote]

actually the OP made the distinction and given his history, it was a easy catch.[/quote]

I'm no fan of his history either but unless he eluded to something I missed I guess I failed to see the distinction he made between public and private schools with this issue. Besides mentioning teacher unions, which usually, but doesn't always, mean public schools.


[quote name='David85'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

Is it possible that public schools now have a greater percentage of molestors in their midsts than the Catholic Church ever did?
[/quote]

That's not possible, the Catholic Church is full of perverts, even the people who just go there for Sunday service.[/quote]

:roll: Nice productive comment there...It's good to see you're not a supporter of outrageous stereotypes.[/quote]

He's just a wellspring of "productive" comments. :rofl:

Anyway, I love how the libs have taken a mild topic and just started attacking PAD for no reason.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Anyway, I love how the libs have taken a mild topic and just started attacking PAD for no reason.[/quote]

Glad to see you think child abuse and rape is a "mild topic".
 
The topic isn't, but the question he posed was completely harmless. He was asking us for our experiences out of his own curiosity--he wasn't trying to compose a political argument.

Second, PAD did say "public schools," but in all honesty I don't think he really intended any sort of subtle jab against the public school system, nor did he intend to exclude other educational systems from discussion.
 
[quote name='Pylis']Second, PAD did say "public schools," but in all honesty I don't think he really intended any sort of subtle jab against the public school system, nor did he intend to exclude other educational systems from discussion.[/quote]
You don't know PAD very well :twisted:
 
[quote name='Drocket'][quote name='Pylis']Second, PAD did say "public schools," but in all honesty I don't think he really intended any sort of subtle jab against the public school system, nor did he intend to exclude other educational systems from discussion.[/quote]
You don't know PAD very well :twisted:[/quote]

Maybe not, but I still think that his statement is being too closely scrutinized.
 
[quote name='Pylis']The topic isn't, but the question he posed was completely harmless. He was asking us for our experiences out of his own curiosity--he wasn't trying to compose a political argument.

Second, PAD did say "public schools," but in all honesty I don't think he really intended any sort of subtle jab against the public school system, nor did he intend to exclude other educational systems from discussion.[/quote]

Well said. Thank you.
 
There were rumors about my study hall teacher and the softball girls (he is also the softball coach, which is the only sport that does well at my school). He told my study hall that people made up those rumors just because the softball team does so well, and I just don't know if they are true or not. I haven't heard any rumors about him for awhile.
 
[quote name='Pylis']

Maybe not, but I still think that his statement is being too closely scrutinized.[/quote]

language is a weapon and someone like PAD is too smart to not realize unintended meaning. Especially if he singles out certain entities and entities which are favorite targets of conservatives.

If I said "more kids at Christian schools" do drugs;Could I later back-peddle and say I was talking about all kids? Not likely. While there may or may not be a correlation between kids and Christian kids, I would have made a specific statement. So did PaD


Also, calling out someone of their use of a word is not "attacking" them.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Pylis']

Maybe not, but I still think that his statement is being too closely scrutinized.[/quote]

language is a weapon and someone like PAD is too smart to not realize unintended meaning. Especially if he singles out certain entities and entities which are favorite targets of conservatives.

If I said "more kids at Christian schools" do drugs;Could I later back-peddle and say I was talking about all kids? Not likely. While there may or may not be a correlation between kids and Christian kids, I would have made a specific statement. So did PaD


Also, calling out someone of their use of a word is not "attacking" them.[/quote]

First off, you're right, calling someone on their word choice isn't an attack, though I never said that it was.

Second, I personally don't feel that the example you gave is relevant since you used the word "more," which suggests a direct comparison. PAD did not, by contrast, make a comparison between public and private schools. Now, we can analyze PAD's statement all day long, but the truth remains that there could be various reasons he used the word "public," or maybe no real reason at all. For example, maybe he's assuming most of us went to public schools, or he takes particular interest in these systems because he went to one himself. Perhaps he's more concerned about the public school system because he doesn't want his tax dollars funding this kind of behavior (who would?). Who knows? PAD does, but that's it.

Should he have said "public?" Probably not. Regardless, I just don't feel that arguing semantics can prove fruitful. Besides, one can "find" hidden meaning in any statement if it is examined closely enough. To quote you, "[...]someone like PAD is too smart to not realize unintended meaning." Is this an assault on my intelligence because I don't believe there is secondary meaning in PAD's original statement? Or is this simply "unintended meaning?"

Now, I'm not trying to say subtleties are non-existant in debate--maybe you're completely right and PAD is attacking public schooling. Oh, that oh-so-clever bastard. But this is not a "great way to blast public education and the teacher's union." Or at least, that's certainly not what I (and what at least appears to be the majority of the other posters) read from PAD's post.
 
How about, all schools.

You people need to lighten up.

We're talking about systematic child abuse, nothing more. I don't care if it's public schools, or private schools or even parochial schools. I was basically asking if anyone here was aware of lewd or illegal behavior from teachers or instructors.

It could be parent helpers, teachers aides, office staff even the fucking janitor. I just wanted to find out if this was a widespread as some have claimed.

I didn't mean this as an attack on public schools in particular. I went to public school for 9 years, finished high school in private school. I never had trouble at either or heard about problems at either one. University was a different matter but at that point everyone is over 18 and what professors, teachers and students do, as far as I'm concerned, is fine and dandy unless there is academic favoritism going on.

Some of you really need to lighten up and get a clue. What should I expect though, most of you are itching to be one of Howard Dean's "constituancies" of the Democratic party. Find a group, assign yourself oppressed or minority status and all is right in the world.
 
I never though sex with teachers was that bad. Some of the teachers were better than other but I never had any complaints about any of them.
 
poor poor misunderstood PaD..I guess I didn't realize that on your keyboard the A..L...L.. keys were so close to the P...U...B...L...I...C keys.

I apologize...but I still gave an example. :) Also I didn't mean to imply that you didn't have a valid topic. Just that in addition, you also found a way to get a bash in, that's all.

For the record, I fully expect anyone and everyone to hold me accountable for the words I type. I know what I am saying.
 
[quote name='usickenme']For the record, I fully expect anyone and everyone to hold me accountable for the words I type. I know what I am saying.[/quote]

I took a typing class back in high school, and it's actually been one of the best grade school electives I ever took. I use skills developed in that course every day; although, the "preview" and "edit" buttons on most message boards help as well.
 
I think there is a bit of over-exaggeration here. Much like with priests and teachers, I think if you looked at any profession, you're going to find child abusers. I'm sure you could find 50 accountants or 50 doctors who have abused kids. I'm sure if you looked at minor league baseball, you could find some child abusers. The simple fact is, they are in all walks of life.

They are being reported more often now, which is a good thing. But, I think it's unfair to blame those certain professions, let's blame the people doing the crimes.
 
The Catholic church does deserve some of the blame, though, because they spent decades covering up for child molesters. It isn't simply a matter of any profession having a few 'problem' people (though as you said, every profession does), but the fact that when a molester was found, the Catholic church's response was to cover up the incident (often telling people that they'd go to hell if they pressed the issue, and that it was their religious duty to forgive the crime) and simply transfer the molester to another city so he could commit his crime again and again. That was and is the key issue with the Catholic church scandal.
 
[quote name='Drocket']The Catholic church does deserve some of the blame, though, because they spent decades covering up for child molesters. It isn't simply a matter of any profession having a few 'problem' people (though as you said, every profession does), but the fact that when a molester was found, the Catholic church's response was to cover up the incident (often telling people that they'd go to hell if they pressed the issue, and that it was their religious duty to forgive the crime) and simply transfer the molester to another city so he could commit his crime again and again. That was and is the key issue with the Catholic church scandal.[/quote]

In the Catholic church's defense, it is hard to change 1500 years of tradition.
 
We all know that it is exagerrated or simply put in the spotlight constantly. Frankly, I wouldn't have complained getting to nail a few of my old teachers.
 
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