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Freddie Joe Brisco (September 21, 1941 – February 1, 2010), better known as Jack Brisco or Uvalde Slim, was an American professional wrestler who was popular during the 1970s, and into the 1980s. He performed for various territories of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA), becoming a two-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, and multi-time NWA Tag Team Champion with his brother Gerald Brisco. Brisco was considered one of the top wrestlers of his era; in 2005, Don Leo Jonathan called him "probably the greatest champion of the 20th century."

In the late 1970s, the Brisco Brothers also discovered Terry Bollea, the future wrestling legend best known as Hulk Hogan, who they introduced to Hiro Matsuda for training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1lE6q9y6s8&NR=1

Brisco's first NWA World Heavyweight Championship win was scheduled to be over Dory Funk Jr. capping off a multi-year feud, but the Funks balked, and politically maneuvered to drop the title to Harley Race instead. Jack then won the title from Race after a brief reign in Houston, Texas on July 20, 1973. He defended his championship in NWA affiliated promotions across the world until losing to Giant Baba on December 4, 1974, though he regained the championship four days later. Brisco defended the championship until losing it to Terry Funk on December 10, 1975. His loss continued the extensive feud between the Briscos and Funks. For several years, Jack and Jerry Brisco would continue battling Terry and Dory Funk for wrestling supremacy. Briso's reigns as NWA World Heavyweight Champion were particularly significant as he was only the second wrestler to have won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship more than once at the time, with the other and first multi-time champion being Lou Thesz. Though his second reign was shorter than his first, it was still very significant as Brisco is still the only multi-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion to have had all of his reigns last a full year or longer.
 
http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/02/08/ecw-original-douglas-positive-mcmahon-would-screw-up-brand/

Shane Douglas chimes in on McMahon's ECW and some other ECW-related things. He shows himself to have a very analytical mind that accurately points to many of the problems in the current WWE-dominated/TNA-lagging-but-still-stinking second place.

EDIT: Ouch, I didn't see Douglas' last comment there - that stings, man, right-fuckin-*here*. Still bitter about Roller Jam? :lol: But, hey, he's the dude who evidently wants to go dancing with the dudes on a weekend night, so who's accounting for taste? ;)

There are a handful of guys that you must mention when telling the history of the original ECW. One of them is Shane Douglas. With his cocky demeanor and slick tongue, his transformed into "The Franchise" and knew how to play the part.

He was never afraid to push buttons to drive wrestling fans into a craze. Outside of the ring, he was never afraid to share his real thoughts on his peers and the wrestling business, either.

Douglas spent seven years with ECW during which he was a four-time world champion and a key character as it built a devoted following from diehard wrestling fans who wanted an alternative from the WWF and WCW at the time.

Recently, FanHouse spoke with "The Franchise" to get his thoughts on Vince McMahon's decision to end the ECW brand and much more about those three letters.

Brian Fritz: Were you surprised last week when Vince McMahon made the announcement that he is ditching ECW?
Shane Douglas: No, not surprised at all. In fact, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. My personal opinion -- and I think the opinion of a lot of fans -- is that Vince McMahon simply wanted to stop fans from chanting "ECW" when they saw someone they either didn't like or they did like and one of the most difficult things to sanitize on tape is crowd sound. So if you see the crowd chanting "ECW" and their fist is pounding three times, and they try to sanitize that with crowd cheers, it's very obvious. So, from a production standpoint, I think Vince McMahon thought he had an agenda that he had to adhere to.

What never made sense to me was with the brand that was so strongly identifiable by its fans and the fans were so loyal to, why not utilize that to the company's advantage? Why start a Florida Championship Wrestling or whatever their quote-unquote 'minor league or feeder system' and have it become ECW? And they had the vast majority of the key talent necessary to work it and could have probably got the most of the rest of us as we have had no problem passing the torch to the guys and teaching them to make it a very viable ECW. I think, in the end, it shows Vince's lack of being able to see beyond his periscope. I mean, he's made a lot of money with what he's done but as his market share dwindles further and further downward, I think a strong ECW would have been very valuable to him. It didn't surprise me but I do think that it was a really bad move on his part.

Brian Fritz: Are you even surprised that he decided to go with ECW in the first place after the original incarnation which you were a part of? He had the rights to it for several years before he decided to start his own version of ECW.
Shane Douglas: No. I think what I said before is what his philosophy was, to stop those chants and there was no better way to do it than the way he did it. It was effective. It stopped the chants but it, no pun intended, disenfranchised millions of fans that were ECW fans. I'm sure those were fans that he would love to have back right now and I doubt he'll get back.

Brian Fritz: Were you as frustrated watching or hearing about what was going on with this new version of ECW that Vince McMahon was doing or were you able to put it behind you and not think about it?
Shane Douglas: Well, sort of 50-50. My affinity for ECW will always be there, because that's where I cut my teeth, so to speak, and became the main event talent that I would later become. So from that standpoint I was extremely frustrated with what they were doing because, again, I think they could have pushed it as a viable product. It's like the old Jim Crockett thing where he bought the UWF [United Wrestling Federation] just to close it down. If the bank account at the end of the trail is mine, I could care less if it's called Timbuktu Wrestling. If it's drawing money into my account, I'm going to push it. Jim Crockett made the mistake of doing the same thing with UWF and he literally lost his tail on it and I think it started his downward spiral and he finally had to sell to Turner and be out of business. And Vince did the same thing with ECW. He bought it to dismantle it or put it on the air to dismantle it.

From my affinity of ECW, I was extremely frustrated but the veteran in me said that it's pretty much what I expected and if you go back and look at interviews at the time I said as much. I knew that Vince was short-sided. If there was one thing I could be positive of was that he'd screw that up. And sure enough he did, sadly he did. I don't know what the general consensus is but my feeling on it is that it done nothing to damage the real legacy of ECW. If anything, it made it stronger. I would think that if anyone would have the wherewithal to bring the original ECW back -- I'm not sure if it could be done today with the parameters and restrictions on TV but if someone could do it -- then it would be interesting to take a second go-around at it. It's funny to me where wrestling is back to exactly where it was in 1992, '93 that gave rise to ECW in the first place. We're right back there again, so who knows. Stranger things have happened, but I think there's a pretty strong possibility that somebody is going to try to do something with wrestling to bring it back away from what it's become and where it's gone.

It's clear TNA's [Total Nonstop Action Wrestling] foray into wrestling has been vastly underachieving and WWE's has been amazingly dwindling. It's a shame. I think [TNA President] Dixie Carter and her dad [Bob Carter] have made an amazing monetary investment in the company that has produced nothing. And the WWE, on the other hand, is trying to figure out how, as a company, to stop hemorrhaging fans. I think in this month's Harvard Business Review there's something about reinvention and back to the future, and I think that's exactly what wrestling has to do if it's going to just survive. It has to go back to some semblance of ... I don't know, if ECW is the answer. I think it's part of the answer, but I think fans want to see something more realistic with the storylines, force them to think a little bit, and get to something that's a lot more old school. That's one portion of the formula that Vince has steadfastly refused to try and Dixie Carter has been unwilling to try. They've tried everything else. They've tried every flip-flopping move, every kind of iron cage they can build, every tower they can build, every kind of storyline and vignette that can do off of "sports entertainment" and we're down 10, 15 million fans over the last 10 years. My belief is that old school is where it has to go to bring some of those fans back and create new fans.

Brian Fritz: When ECW originally went out of business, if Vince McMahon and WWE had decided to do something with the brand right then and let it continue in the same genre it was but put it more on a national scale, do you think that could have worked?
Shane Douglas: Absolutely. Absolutely, because I think Vince could have put his business acumen into it, which is the only place that ECW was built on sand. I mean, our foundation was built on sand. Paul [Heyman] was a horrible businessman and none of us knew it. Had we known it, we certainly would have tried to make some sort of an interjection to stop it. But it you had taken Vince's business acumen -- which there is no argument there, he is a great businessman -- and put that to ECW, and done the one thing Vince has never been good at, and keep his nose out of it and not try to make it what he wants it to be. Allow it be what it was. Those are two gigantic ifs but I think if those were done, then ECW would have been very successful and continued to thrive and gotten much bigger than it ever did.

Brian Fritz: In your opinion, what made the original ECW so special?
Shane Douglas: First and foremost, you have to put it in context of the time frame. Wrestling at that time had become extraordinarily cartoonish, incredibly mundane, incredibly silly in the storylines and the characters. Guys like us on a Friday night, we had two or three choices: We could go to wrestling when it came to town or we could go down to the bar of the strip club or go dancing or something. Most of the guys in 1992 our age were heading to the bar or down to the strip club. There was no one going, 'Well, let's try wrestling and go there,' because wrestling had chiseled those fans away, turned them away in droves. ECW catered right to them. I remember it being said that way. What do we need to do to bring those guys back? What does the 18-34 male want and what are they getting? The first thing we came up with was realism. I think ECW brought that at the timeframe in bucketfuls. The characters were all believable. The characters were all strongly defined. The storylines were all incredibly well written, mature in thought. When I say mature, I don't mean X-rated but adult, certainly not for kids. It was violent at a time when wrestling had become so hokey and cartoonish. There was suddenly a human train wreck on the television that was pretty damn cool to watch.

The last thing was -- and I haven't seen this again anywhere in wrestling -- we catered to our fans. We shoved nothing down their throat. If there was something they didn't like, we quickly jettisoned it and went to the next thing. Initially, when we came out, there were heels and babyfaces. And when the fans started getting used to the heels and babyfaces, we became tweeners, and then when they got used to us being tweeners, we all became clearly defined babyfaces and heels again. So we were always juking when the fans thought we were jiving. When they thought we were going right, we were going left. We tried to. We didn't always succeed at it but I think that's the reason it was very entertaining to the fans was because they could never figure us out completely.

When you walk into a movie and you spend $10 and $8.95 for a popcorn and $5.95 for a drink and you sit down and in the first three-to-five minutes, you figure out whodunit, it's not entertaining. At the end of the movie, you walk out dejected. I don't think it was very often the fans figured out what ECW was doing. They would try. But the fans also played the sixth man on the bench. They would bring the weapons in, they knew the chants, they would interact with the boys in the ring. I always think back to the night that we threw Gary Wolfe down with a broken neck. Those 1,100 fans in that building were about as smart as any fan in the world. They had seen everything, they had witnessed everything; every kind of storyline, every kind of violence and physicality. Yet, when I threw Gary Wolfe down that night, 1,100 fans rioted, and I think the reason for that was that they thought maybe Troy Martin (Douglas' real name) got a little bit too much into his character -- or maybe Paul was a little overzealous in his writing or somebody screwed something up someplace.

But the bottom line was 1,100 fans that night gasped and then began to pour over the railing to beat me and Francine (Douglas' valet) because they thought we had stepped way over the line. You will never see that in wrestling again until some of those things I spoke about earlier are brought back. When you present it as a cartoon and tell them up front what you are about to watch is BS, there is no reason for them to have an emotional investment. Until we see some of that come back, I don't think you'll see anything changing in wrestling -- and we'll continue to see a downslide, and the fans dribble away, until it becomes either the next roller derby or somebody does begin to bring it back.
 
I would have liked to see Douglas' thoughts on the massive Target demotions that are supposedly coming soon. Har har.

I've long wondered how much validity there is to the "Vince brought back ECW so he could make it dull and get rid of the annoying chants" theory. If this were any other company it would seem completely asinine, but this is the guy who had the chance to run the biggest angle of all time in 2001 and completely ruined it because of similar petty insecurities regarding former competition.
 
Can't wait to see what happens tonight on Smackdown/ECW.

This is hopefully going to be the best last semester for me. SD/ECW tapings, followed by Mardi Gras, followed by a TNA house show (just saw the commercial), followed by Spring Break in Panama Beach
 
^ Have fun at mardi gras; stop at the Port of Call on Esplanade and have a burger for me. Goddamn those were great.

[quote name='KaneRobot'][Vince] is the guy who had the chance to run the biggest angle of all time in 2001 and completely ruined it because of similar petty insecurities regarding former competition.[/QUOTE]

Right-o. The thing about Vince is that it's hard to tell where the line is drawn between (1) a terrible, terrible idea that he genuinely believes should work and (2) a terrible, terrible idea that is executed with the full intent of being terrible, and simply satisfying someone's (Vince's) ego.

Take for instance the death of the "Spirit Squad," where they were jammed in a crate and shipped to "OVW." I lived in KY for virtually all of my life, so I was more than familiar with the promotion and what it meant. But I don't really believe for a second that the average fan knows what those letters mean, and that it connotes "a trip down to the minors" in baseball parlance.

But I also don't think Vince knows where his own line is, really. I'm more than certain that, if you were able to have a "20 questions" with him, and you were able to grill him over the absurdities and egocentric approach of the Invasion/Alliance angle, he has sculpted in his own mind a rationalization that perfectly justifies why he went with the McMahon/McMahon arc hovering over the whole thing, why he didn't spend money to bring in top WCW talent, why he gave a virulently anti-WCW crowd Buff Bagwell vs Booker T match, why he pushed all the WCW/ECW guys aside and made Angle-Austin the secondary story arc under McMahon/McMahon, etc. I wouldn't think he was bullshitting you either, to be honest. He probably thought he was doing the best thing (fiscally) for the company by structuring things that way, and doesn't look at it as a way to bury his competition.

Do I think he deliberately concocted this magnificent plan to resurrect ECW to kill "ECW" chants? Not really. No more than I think he sent Vince Russo to kill WCW off. I think that he saw the DVD sales of the "Rise and Fall" DVD, saw PPV buys for the One Night Stand events, and saw dollar signs. But he got cold feet with running the program, didn't know how to "make" an ECW program. He only knew how to make a cookie-cutter Kevin Dunn-produced paint-by-numbers WWE formatted program, and as a result, nobody had interest. The WWE formula didn't last because the WWE formula is bland, and when coupled with talent nobody got an opportunity to develop interest in, it died. You can call polenta "spicy" polenta, but if you don't add anything to it, it's going to taste like polenta. Eww. In this case, it's guys like Tyler Reks, or Ricky Ortiz, or DJ Gabriel, or those Croft and Whatever guys (who look like "enhancement talent" without any exaggeration on my behalf).

OTOH, if you ask if Vince developed an after-the-fact goal of stopping ECW chants, I'm much more willing to consider that. He didn't spend this much money to simply control a crowd, but I'm sure after a while it became an unintentional side effect he discovered was pleasing to his ears.
 
I do honestly believe that Vince's resurrection of ECW was initially sincere, or at least what passes as sincere for Vince "I taught the crowds to chant ECW!" McMahon.

While it's plunge into WWE dreck was inevitable, I still maintain that a ton of the blame falls on Van Dam, whether people admit it or not. The man was in a huge program with Cena, became champion, and then totally fucked up. If Van Dam had really become the champion and face of the brand like he was intended to be, I think it would've maintained that "ECW" feel for a least a little while longer. To me, it was as soon as Big Show became champ that it all went downhill fast. He was even pretty good in the role, but with him as champ it just ceased to be ECW in the way it would've with Van Dam.

Then again, I also still think that the brand could've had a small resurgence in 2007, with the planned Benoit/Punk program. It wouldn't have been ECW, but I sure as hell would've watched that play out. After that, and the weeks upon weeks upon weeks upon weeks of Nitro/Punk matches, it just became way too obvious that no one gave a shit.

... I also always forget that Angle was in ECW right before he left the company. Angle as ECW champ instead of the Big Show would've certainly been an improvement. Regardless, I do think that Vince's ego eventually played a part, but there were just so many early plans for the brand that got scuttled for reasons outside of WWE's control that it was almost a lost cause.

Hey, at least we'll always have the Batista/Show match. Ha.
 
Van Dam fucked up, yes. (I guess - was he arrested? Either way, as much as I don't like the drug, pot shouldn't be illegal.)

But WWE had a lot of people they could have hotshotted the belt onto that wasn't the big show. he wasn't the only wrestler who showed up for work that day.
 
Yea The Big Show ECW was horrid. How many freaking times did they job Sabu and Dreamer to him...

I did like the Punk/Nitro era and Elijah Burkes stable/originals feud.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Van Dam fucked up, yes. (I guess - was he arrested? Either way, as much as I don't like the drug, pot shouldn't be illegal.)[/QUOTE]

Van Dam and Sabu were pulled over with pot in the car, I believe.
 
Vince did the first ONS correct, but he fucked up everything after that. ONS the second time around was just another WWE PPV and the zombie was the first thing people saw when ECW came back to cable.


Also don't blame Big Show for the downfall of ECW, blame Vince for being a shitty booker. He can't be blamed for Van Dam and Angle, but he sure as hell can be blamed for not making Punk the face of ECW at December to Dismember. He had the chance to make ECW the place for new talent to cut their teeth and do some exciting shit and instead he stuck with the same old shit. Punk should have run shit in ECW like Joe did in TNA until Angle showed up.
 
The tragedy of WWE is that Vince knows for a fact that he can give the fans what they want, but refuses to and instead gives them what HE wants until it in turn becomes what they want. Like Mike Tyson famously said, "I'll fuck you until you love me!"

What makes it even worse is that in this day and age there's really no second option. 15 years ago if you didn't like the product you could just switch over to WCW, since they could at least compete on equal footing as far as presentation goes. These days all we have are TNA, a promotion that's intent on being the new WWE retirement home, and ROH, which while great, is on a channel roughly four people have.
 
All of these old ECW guys come off extremely bitter and unlikeable. The funny thing is that most of them couldn't draw a dime when they left the company, and their flaws weren't hidden by Paul Heyman.
 
The Low Ki-Danielson match, that Jay posted, from the FCW TV event is a nice, simple bout. I hope "WWE NXT" is a show focused around Ki, Danielson, and the next step in regards to training Joe Hennig, the young Rotundo brothers, the younger DiBiase, the Brisco spawn, and other prospective Indy talent. If I see Mike Knox show up with Chavo Guerrero, Jr., and they begin to dominate, I'll change the channel in an instance, and won't tune in again until spoilers say otherwise.

WWE may realize how they need to showcase and build talent that will give them a future after their top names retire. And every wrestler is only one wrong move away from ending their career. WWE's recent big pushes of people like Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Sheamus, and Miz, and smaller pushes of John Morrison and Drew McIntyre is good for WWE.

Also, I'm glad Big Show is still relevant and holds a title. He deserves more appreciation. Big Show has fantastic mic skills and personality, and is extremely-talented for someone his size. For someone who broke into the business, as a very green rookie, and won the WCW World Heavyweight title in his first match, he has progressed into one of the best talents of his generation.

Myke, I think Vince lives in the present moment and handles the future as it approaches. I think Vince is not a long-term strategist. If he were a long-term strategist, he would have handled WCW, ECW, and talent over the last several years in a different manner. Vince is a pro wrestling businessman, though, and comes from pro wrestling roots. That is what gives WWE such a long lifespan, and why TNA will fold in upcoming years.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']The tragedy of WWE is that Vince knows for a fact that he can give the fans what they want, but refuses to and instead gives them what HE wants until it in turn becomes what they want. Like Mike Tyson famously said, "I'll fuck you until you love me!"

What makes it even worse is that in this day and age there's really no second option. 15 years ago if you didn't like the product you could just switch over to WCW, since they could at least compete on equal footing as far as presentation goes. These days all we have are TNA, a promotion that's intent on being the new WWE retirement home, and ROH, which while great, is on a channel roughly four people have.[/QUOTE]


I think Vince is afraid of change in even the smallest instance. One wrong move and mainstream pro wrestling in North America is dead. By buying out WCW and ECW, Vince strapped a lot of responsibility to his back--and I think he's smart enough to realize WWE cannot die. Thus, WWE's lack of big change. I think changing WWE's product would be risky. However, given how the change to a harder-edged product would draw in smarks, TNA fans, and how casual fans and children wouldn't notice, I would make the change if I ran WWE.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']Can't wait to see what happens tonight on Smackdown/ECW.

This is hopefully going to be the best last semester for me. SD/ECW tapings, followed by Mardi Gras, followed by a TNA house show (just saw the commercial), followed by Spring Break in Panama Beach[/QUOTE]



if you're going to panama city beach for spring break, TNA is running a house show in Ozark, Alabama which is about an hour from panama city at the end of march.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']The tragedy of WWE is that Vince knows for a fact that he can give the fans what they want, but refuses to and instead gives them what HE wants until it in turn becomes what they want. Like Mike Tyson famously said, "I'll fuck you until you love me!"[/quote]

:rofl: Aptly put.

[quote name='CaseyRyback']Vince did the first ONS correct, but he fucked up everything after that. ONS the second time around was just another WWE PPV and the zombie was the first thing people saw when ECW came back to cable.[/QUOTE]

The first two were excellent - the first one was more or less a tribute show with Lance Storm versus "Lionheart" Chris Jericho, a three-way dance w/ Little Guido, Yoshihiro Tajiri, and Super Crazy, and Dreamer/Sandman vs The Dudley Boyz.

The second was the WWE/ECW thing, with Cena vs. RVD. It, while not great for a "purist" (whomever that is), was an outstanding PPV. Both of these are great to go back and revisit on DVD.

It was the third one that was just another PPV. Couldn't name a fucking match on the card, and can't be bothered to google.

[quote name='Chase']Myke, I think Vince lives in the present moment and handles the future as it approaches. I think Vince is not a long-term strategist. If he were a long-term strategist, he would have handled WCW, ECW, and talent over the last several years in a different manner. Vince is a pro wrestling businessman, though, and comes from pro wrestling roots. That is what gives WWE such a long lifespan, and why TNA will fold in upcoming years.[/QUOTE]

The thing is, Shane Douglas is right; Vince is an *amazing*, *incredible* businessman. And he's a great promoter. But he's a fucking terrible booker, and it runs in the family. The fact that he is so financially successful in spite of his booking is evidence that he's a great promoter. The WWE product is boring and stale and childish and illogical and short-term focused; but the way he promotes the product, he's selling you a cup of week-old vanilla yogurt and telling you it's a filet mignon. Some people believe him. Not me.

I really like Big Show. I'm not saying he's a shit wrestler or a terrible human being because he won the ECW title. But he was the wrong person to put the belt onto, as he was viewed as WWE establishment at the time, at a time when ECW was trying to promote itself as its own alternative product. People watched the show for new, for change, for different from the WWE product - and they got...the WWE product. It wasn't TBS as a person or as a wrestler at all - it's what his victory symbolized about the product. There were legions of worse ECW champions during the WWE tenure.

As for Vince's conservative strategy, it's interesting. I am still convinced that the product will become more edgy within 3 months after Linda McMahon realizes she's a loser and shuts down her failed bid for the CT senate seat. But he's also "responsible to shareholders" now, so he doesn't want to jostle the boat and cause a quick stock drop that would give shareholders pause, lead them to sell, and then suddenly run out of an influx of cash to support the business. But conservative strategies often lead to failure, and require a creative out-of-the-box thinkin' motherfucker to come in and shake shit up and get a company back on its feet. Like Lee Iacocca and Chrysler in the early 1980's - he's the dude what brought us the "minivan" and consequently kept Chrysler from dying 30 years ago (perhaps like it should have? I dunno.).

EDIT: Here's why The Big Show was the wrong choice - again, not because of who he was, but what he represented. I also think it was the moment that WWE overtly acknowledged they were going to do ECW THEIR way, and book how THEY wanted to, and avoid THEIR fanbase intentionally. So none of use believe that TNA was the first promotion to try to massage the crowd to do what the promotion wanted, the stagnant WWE/ECW product in the years following this shows that doing what the promotion wants in spite of the fans is not a winning strategy. TNA has much to learn from history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HLIW0tiX7A

That was fun, wasn't it? A lot more interesting than much of the ECW product that followed, that's for sure.
 
PWG Sells Out Volume 2 is shipping now from PWG's site. I was hoping to order it off of Amazon or Best Buy, but they don't have it available on their sites, so I got it off of PWG's for $25. Still a good deal considering all the seemingly high-quality content on it, but I hope they fixed the nagging issues I had with V1's packaging - like the lack of a match listing and having the discs stacked on top of each other inside the case.

Here's the legendary 20/20 expose of pro wrestling -
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
 
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[quote name='JaytheGamefan']PWG Sells Out Volume 2 is shipping now from PWG's site. I was hoping to order it off of Amazon or Best Buy, but they don't have it available on their sites, so I got it off of PWG's for $25. Still a good deal considering all the seemingly high-quality content on it, but I hope they fixed the nagging issues I had with V1's packaging - like the lack of a match listing and having the discs stacked on top of each other inside the case.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, impressions from the PWG board say it's the same packaging as Vol 1. I was hoping for the standard DVD case w/ insert tray (similar to a lof of the recent TV seasons that have come out), but it doesn't look like that's the case.
 
I don't wish to derail the current discussion of the whole ECW and Vince (mis)management debacle, but I have one question...

Did anybody else notice a dude wearing a gold Batman suit in the audience during the last RAW? For those of you that tape these, wait until the last minute or so of the show where Bret is in the ring (after the cheezy vandalism tirade). The camera pans around on Bret and I swear to god I saw a dude in what appeared to be a gold Batman suit in the crowd (don't look for him in the front row, look for him in the mid-tier background as they pan on Bret's face). At least a full golden cowl, not sure about the rest of the outfit. I mean, it could have been a guy dressed as Goldust (or hell, maybe it WAS Goldust), but I'm pretty sure I saw the little bat ear thingies.

Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out if this is one of those "Yeah, gold Batman guy always shows up at location X" or if it is high time my wife trucked me over to the local looney bin for good.
 
I knew about the old 20/20 bit but I'd never watched it. Thanks for the post.

John Stossel got the shit knocked out of him towards the end there, I had no idea that he got hit that hard.
 
John Stossel should get hit that hard every day. Maybe he'll stop being a damned fool in his "journalism" at some point in his life.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']I'll check my DVD of the show out and see. ...and YUP, GUY IN A GOLD BATMAN COWL!
[/QUOTE]

Thank you. For a second there, I thought I might need to give up the mind-crippling substance abuse.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I see thatswhatshesaid got banned. I wonder if it was that monkey kid.[/QUOTE]

Nope, some other guy that's been banned twice before.
 
Pro Wrestling Guerrilla announced their next show, the cleverly-titled "As The Worm Turns", for February 27th, 2010 in Reseda, CA. Apparently PWG does in fact have a massive hard on for Faith No More, as this is probably the fifth or sixth FNM-related show title.

PWG Championship
(C) Kenny Omega vs. Davey Richards

PWG Tag Team Championship
(C) The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) vs. 2 Skinny Black Guys of Low Moral Fiber (El Generico & Chuck Taylor)

Chris Hero vs. Alex Shelley

Chris Sabin vs. Roderick Strong

Brandon Gatson vs. "The Professional" Scott Lost

Joey Ryan, Brandon Bonham, & Candice LaRae vs. The Cutler Brothers & Christina Von Eerie

SoCal ShowCase
Johnny Goodtime & LTP vs. Malachi Jackson & Ryan Taylor
 
[quote name='rickynolasco1234']thats what she said[/QUOTE]
How much of a sexless, no-life shithead do you have to be to troll an internet message board?
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']How much of a sexless, no-life shithead do you have to be to troll an internet message board?[/QUOTE]


said the guy who writes cag blogs

conspiracy blogs LOL
 
these racist mods dont even know why i was banned
it was complete bull shit perpetuated by shrike
i embarrassed him and got this mod powers taken away during the 'infraction scandal' last year
ask him about it,
and i hope all of you guys enjoyed your 2$ edge cards that didnt even get nominated for deal of the year
 
Just came back from the ECW/Superstars/Smackdown tapings...

From the top of my head, Shelton Benjamin received a mega pop but of course lost.
Christian won his superstars match *obviously*. The girl escorting ol boy looked great

JTG lost on superstars and honestly it was kinda offensive because the ref had the slowest counts possible! Everyone was fuming at how blantant it was


Huge news - John Morrison injured his ankle it looked like during the Smackdown taping. Match lasted like 2 mins. I didn't see it live because I was checking an email but the replay looked kidna bad. R Truth went ahead and helped him to the back.

And it didn't seem like R Truth sung his song live....

Dark show was UT vs Batista. Batista stalled for like 10 mins it seemed and everyone was about to leave until UT noticed and finally sped it up. Jericho came out and did his finisher, then Matt Hardy, then CM Punk *that was great even though he was trying to hush the crowd to surprised Hardy...though his music was playing!

Then Kane came out and did his finisher. Batista did his finisher on Kane and Ut finshed off Batista for the win.

At the end, Jericho stole a water bottle and playfully threw a good portion of it on Fetus or whatever his name was while running to the back when Fetus was acting hurt on the ground. The memorable part about this silly incident is how Fetus SOLD it like he just got whipped with a belt. He then did the same to Hardy and Hardy looked confused.

Great show. Great crowd *small arena so I wonder how its going to look on TV...* and most importantly, well worth the money


...except the fans I sat across from! One old drunk white guy kept yelling "YOU WANT SOME, COME GET SOME!!!" THE WHOLE NIGHT and this black lady behind him was cussing up a storm and just acting more annoying than Vicky Guerreo ever could. It was like they were trying to outduel each other and everyone around 'em were the losers. Security was more worried about videotaping the show than the annoying crowd..
 
I was right:

hey man
my name is monkeydeew and all of these asshat mods are racists they only banned me bc i embarrassed the fuck out of that superdouche shrike and they took away his mod powers until he cried to his mama about it

glad you remembe who i am and if you tell the mods on me then i guess oh well
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:rofl:
 
You're high if you truly believe that.

I can think of a million gimmicks 10x worse.
 
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