Japan's government is telling its workers to take holiday & go home & have babies.

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Japan's government is telling its workers to take holiday & go home & have babies. Why? Because the population is shrinking. Source: BBC World News.

Unbelievable.

Who cares that the Japan's population is shrinking (or Europe's for that matter)? There are already too many humans on this planet, thereby disrupting the natural ecology. A shrinking population is a GOOD thing for Japan, not a negative.




BTW, when I have a child, it will be just ONE. I don't care how much my wife begs/pleads. One is enough. Two=Stress/heart disease.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']BTW, when I have a child, it will be just ONE. I don't care how much my wife begs/pleads. One is enough. Two=Stress/heart disease.[/QUOTE]

Every kid should have at least one sibling if possible, IMO. There are so many valuable things to learn from having to get along with a brother or sister and learning to share, etc. Plus, later in life presumably when you and your spouse die the kids will have each other to lean on. I think being an only child is kind of a sad way to go through life. Also, stress comes with the first child anyway, believe me. Adding another really isn't going to double it or anything (but it might be a little more stressful).
 
[quote name='electrictroy']Who cares that the Japan's population is shrinking (or Europe's for that matter)? There are already too many humans on this planet, thereby disrupting the natural ecology. A shrinking population is a GOOD thing for Japan, not a negative.[/QUOTE]

:applause: Hot-damn we agree on something. Whenever I hear something about the population being above 6 billion, I remember that line in the first Matrix movie about being a virus.

As for being an only child and being screwed up, is the fact that I had to go outside the house to make friends, I wouldn't have to rely on a brother/sister for companionship.
 
with so many video games and fancy pants electronics, there are just too many alternatives for both men and women than to spend time creating misery for each other.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Decreasing population is good for the long term but can have disasterous consequences for a country in the short term.[/QUOTE]
True, just look at the economic stress our country will be going through in the next 10-20 years with all the Baby Boomers retiring.
 
The SS/Retirement Problem for us (and japan) would not exist if the system was not based on a stupid ponzi/pyramid scheme. Anyone with common sense knows that monetary pyramids (where the bottom gives money to the top) will eventually topple over/go bankrupt.

Instead of trying to have more babies, the Japanese government ought to come up with a better solution than a Ponzi/pyramid scheme. Like mandatory Savings accounts, such that everyone has at least ~$1 million at retirement & can take care for themselves. (And the ~1/2% that don't have enough money, get emergency welfare.)

Another idea is to encourage people to continue working rather than retire... again, so they can support themselves instead of becoming Wards of the State. [quote name='javeryh']Every kid should have at least one sibling if possible, IMO. There are so many valuable things to learn from having to get along with a brother or sister and learning to share, etc. [/QUOTE] My two nieces grew up together & they learned how to fight. Now I'm watching my two grand-nephews do the exact same thing. Fight, fight, fight. It's quite sad really.

In contrast, I grew up alone & when I went off to college, my roommate #1 & I got along wonderfully. Ditto roommates 2 and 3. Even though I was an "only child", I still knew how to share the limited space & act civil.

So your theory, at least within my family, does not hold true.
Within my family, it's the exact opposite.




Now, speaking from the point of view of a Parent, I have observed that it's easier to watch ONE kid in a store, than it is to watch two kids going in two different directions.
 
Well, I'm willing to volunteer my body to help out their cause. The women have to promise to be gentle with me, though. And no more than 2 at a time, tops.
 
Growning up an only child is great. I've seen girlfriends that have had 3 kids and it's always a fight. When just one was there it was perfect. 2 wasn't too bad cause they still kept to themselves. But with three it was hell. Even she admitted she'd rather just have had two if she knew.
 
Don't forget... the more children you have, the better chance you'll have of having one of those kids grow up and say, "You ruined my life! I hate you!" That's when you'll truly feel like a parent. :lol:
 
[quote name='SithFran']Growning up an only child is great. I've seen girlfriends that have had 3 kids and it's always a fight. When just one was there it was perfect. 2 wasn't too bad cause they still kept to themselves. But with three it was hell. Even she admitted she'd rather just have had two if she knew.[/QUOTE]

That girl you are describing sounds like the worst parent ever admitting she should have stopped at 2 kids. Jeez who would have thought that being a parent is hard work? Of course kids are going to fight growing up but it helps them deal with people in the long run. I can't imagine how boring life would have been without a sibling.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']
My two nieces grew up together & they learned how to fight. Now I'm watching my two grand-nephews do the exact same thing. Fight, fight, fight. It's quite sad really.[/QUOTE]
that has more to do with shitty parenting
 
[quote name='2fast_2fuhrer']

Time to go listen to Linkin Park and cut myself.[/QUOTE]

Remember to show everyone at school your "suicide scar". Thats what I did when I accidentally cut my wrist by falling on scissors.

Though I'm an only child. I don't have a problem with it, but what will happen later is what I don't like. I'd much rather live in another place but, if my parents ever need someone there then that becomes a problem. If there were 2 then hopefully the other would be happier remaining near boston.
 
You need to have atleast two kids so you can have a heir and a spare. I dont mean one will get everything and the other wont i just mean it would suck only having one kid and whever they hit age 20 bam they die or something. I think the thing with Japan is they need more kids cause the old people need people to take care of them.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Though I'm an only child. I don't have a problem with it, but what will happen later is what I don't like. I'd much rather live in another place but, if my parents ever need someone there then that becomes a problem. If there were 2 then hopefully the other would be happier remaining near boston.[/QUOTE]That's my main issue about being an only child. It's even worse when your parents are divorced, so it's not just one child taking care of two parents... it's one child worrying about two parents who live in different places by themselves. I was perfectly fine with being an only child when I was younger (actually, I preferred it since I got all the attention), but now I have to think about the future and whatnot. I respect people's decisions to have how ever many children they want (0, 1, 2, 16... whatever), as long as they understand the responsibilities and can afford it.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']Japan's government is telling its workers to take holiday & go home & have babies. Why? Because the population is shrinking. Source: BBC World News.

Unbelievable.

Who cares that the Japan's population is shrinking (or Europe's for that matter)? There are already too many humans on this planet, thereby disrupting the natural ecology. A shrinking population is a GOOD thing for Japan, not a negative.
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Yeah, it's great when a country loses is national and cultural identity due to immigration. Most developed nations in the world are well below raplacement level and at the rate we're going here in the US, though we're below replacement level, the population will continue to increase due to immigration. What does that mean? It means less of us, more of them. It's the same in every country; though with less immigration. Noone has it worse than Italy in Germany. These cultures will be destroyed within a half-century due to the lack of people claiming that heritage. People need to have more children to avoid this.

UN Replacement Fertility Report in 2003:
BELOW-REPLACEMENT FERTILITY EXPECTED IN 75 PER CENT OF DEVELOPING COUNTRIES

Populations in 2050:
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[font=&quot](e.g., 14 per cent smaller in Japan; 22 per cent smaller in Italy, and between[/font] [font=&quot]30 and 50 per cent smaller in the cases of Bulgaria, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, the Russian Federation and Ukraine).
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PS..I'm one of four, and it's awesome.
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[quote name='Rich']Yeah, it's great when a country loses is national and cultural identity due to immigration. Most developed nations in the world are well below raplacement level and at the rate we're going here in the US, though we're below replacement level, the population will continue to increase due to immigration. What does that mean? It means less of us, more of them. It's the same in every country; though with less immigration. Noone has it worse than Italy in Germany. These cultures will be destroyed within a half-century due to the lack of people claiming that heritage. People need to have more children to avoid this.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. They'll never become powerful if they go around taking in whatever immigrants want in.
 
I have to admit growing up with four siblings was no walk in the park but as an adult it's great to have brothers and sisters you can count on. As for me, probably 2-3 kids max and that's going to be in my early to mid 30's. Must enjoy my youth as much as possible!
 
[quote name='javeryh']Every kid should have at least one sibling if possible, IMO. There are so many valuable things to learn from having to get along with a brother or sister and learning to share, etc. Plus, later in life presumably when you and your spouse die the kids will have each other to lean on. I think being an only child is kind of a sad way to go through life. Also, stress comes with the first child anyway, believe me. Adding another really isn't going to double it or anything (but it might be a little more stressful).[/QUOTE]

Siblings don't work for everyone. I have never gotten along with my sister, and probably never will. Though I can see what you're saying, it wouldn't be the same without her, for the better or worse.
 
[quote name='jmcc']Well, I'm willing to volunteer my body to help out their cause. The women have to promise to be gentle with me, though. And no more than 2 at a time, tops.[/QUOTE]


Second'd
 
I just heard on AM radio about a study saying that sex life decreases something like 50% if there is a TV in the bedroom. Now imagine if there is also a game console in the bedroom. I predict that it plummets even further.
 
I'm one of seven kids. I have six sisters. My parents had 3 sets of twins, and my youngest sister is by herself. I have twin boys myself. One of my older sisters has 6 kids, and is pregnant again. My mother has 9 siblings, and they all have at least 4 kids. I think my family alone can support the population in this country XD
 
[quote name='Rich']Most developed nations in the world are well below raplacement level and at the rate we're going here in the US, though we're below replacement level, the population will continue to increase due to immigration. What does that mean? It means less of us, more of them. [/QUOTE]


Funny. I thought we were all the SAME SPECIES? I didn't realize that immigrants were space aliens to be afraid of.

By the way, U.S. cultre has *always* been mutating. First it was Dutch, German, British (circa 1800) Than the Spanish, Italians, French arrived in the late 1800s. Followed by the Polish, Russians, & other Easterners in the early 1900s. (approximate dates)


Dutch, German, British, Italians, French, Spanish, Polish, Russians.... They ALL adapted to the U.S. culture. There's no reason to think future immigrants will be any different.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of countries did this. America and Europe both had initiatives to try and get people to have more kids after WWII. Other countries have such systems. This is nothing new.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']Funny. I thought we were all the SAME SPECIES? I didn't realize that immigrants were space aliens to be afraid of.

By the way, U.S. cultre has *always* been mutating. First it was Dutch, German, British (circa 1800) Than the Spanish, Italians, French arrived in the late 1800s. Followed by the Polish, Russians, & other Easterners in the early 1900s. (approximate dates)


Dutch, German, British, Italians, French, Spanish, Polish, Russians.... They ALL adapted to the U.S. culture. There's no reason to think future immigrants will be any different.[/QUOTE]

Oh, you must've read my post and thought it was about the US. It wasn't. It was about all developed nations. Try again.

And besides, there is reason to think future immigrants will be different. Because none of them attempt to learn the language. They make their dime and flee.
 
[quote name='Rich']Oh, you must've read my post and thought it was about the US. It wasn't. It was about all developed nations. Try again.

And besides, there is reason to think future immigrants will be different. Because none of them attempt to learn the language. They make their dime and flee.[/QUOTE]

Look at france to see what happens when you don't try to integrate them. The same arguments that "oh they'll never learn the language" or "they'll never become part of society" or "they don't want to integrate" has been said time and time again. It was said with italians, germans, irish, catholics etc. Practically every immigrant group has had that said about them. Newer immigrants face a different problem, most aren't white. They stand out more and are always viewed as outsiders. When a white person says "I'm an american" no one responds "well what are you really?". That's not true for japanese, hispanic, middle easterners etc. regardless of how many generations their family has been here. In fact I've learned that when people ask me "what are you" they are often suprised when I respond with a nationality instead of an american location.

Blacks are probably the only minority that doesn't get asked "What are you really" if they say they are american, since everyone assumes they're from slaves. The exception is those with obvious accents.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I just heard on AM radio about a study saying that sex life decreases something like 50% if there is a TV in the bedroom. Now imagine if there is also a game console in the bedroom. I predict that it plummets even further.[/QUOTE]

hmm, well as much as it is a good excuse to start out watching a movie, if this is true, then I'll have to throw my tv downstairs. And as far as game consoles go, I have one upstairs and downstairs.
 
[quote name='Rich']Yeah, it's great when a country loses is national and cultural identity due to immigration. Most developed nations in the world are well below raplacement level and at the rate we're going here in the US, though we're below replacement level, the population will continue to increase due to immigration. What does that mean? It means less of us, more of them. It's the same in every country; though with less immigration. Noone has it worse than Italy in Germany. These cultures will be destroyed within a half-century due to the lack of people claiming that heritage. People need to have more children to avoid this.
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Why does this sound racist?
 
[quote name='Rich']Oh, you must've read my post and thought it was about the US. It wasn't. It was about all developed nations. Try again.

And besides, there is reason to think future immigrants will be different. Because none of them attempt to learn the language. They make their dime and flee.[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you talking about? My parents immigrated here and learned the language and haven't fled yet. Same with my parents family who moved here to the United States. That's just a silly blanket statement to make.
 
[quote name='Rich']Oh, you must've read my post and thought it was about the US. It wasn't. It was about all developed nations. Try again.

And besides, there is reason to think future immigrants will be different. Because none of them attempt to learn the language. They make their dime and flee.[/QUOTE]

Ok this would be correct if you changed the second paragraph to Illegal and Mexicans and don't forget to add stay.
 
[quote name='Rich']Oh, you must've read my post and thought it was about the US. It wasn't..[/QUOTE]
The reason I thought that was because YOU SAID IT: "at the rate we're going here in the US, though we're below replacement level, the population will continue to increase due to immigration. What does that mean? It means less of US, more of them."

So I discussed the U.S. because YOU discussed the U.S.



As for Europe, who cares if they accept Arab immigrants??? Europe will still be Europe. The immigrants will assimiliate into the EU, the same way they assimilated into the U.S.

THINGS CHANGE, It's pointless to try to stop progress. It's also pointless to try and say that other cultures are inferior & we need to be protectedourselves from them. WE ARE ALL HUMAN. Arabs are not inferior dogs. THEY ARE LIKE US.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Plenty of countries did this. America and Europe both had initiatives to try and get people to have more kids after WWII. Other countries have such systems. This is nothing new.[/QUOTE]
Never heard of this. Got a source for this U.S.-baby incentive?


Also, I don't think even war-torn Europe said, "Go home & have sex" like the Japanese government is doing.
 
America must be selective about who it lets in the country because the education system has failed so spectacularly. America cannot afford to allow too much unskilled labor across it's borders because there is already a glut of that type of worker among the citizenry. Case in point of America's failed education system is the "no child left behind" act, which has the ultimately socialist tendency to concentrate teaching resources on the least likely to suceed while holding back the educational advancement of the average students and cutting off the tall poppies (IE the gifted and talented). By awarding educational funding to schools based on the number of students who pass a general competence exam, you are encouraging teachers and principals to focus the bulk of their efforts on the students who are the most likely to fail the test. These students are hardly the type of skilled labor that is going to engineer the US automotive and electronics industries back to number one in the world.

Even many of the US ruling elite have to realize by now that they have gone too far in their efforts to supress the revolutionary uprisings of the 60s/70s and keep the general populace dumb, happy, and easily duped. It will probably take a real brush with economic disaster, but eventually our public educational system (which hasn't really changed it's daily structure and academic list of subjects since the 1920s) will have to be overhauled, with more of a focus based on those who truly have the necessery intelligence and aptitude to succeed. Only then will topics such as immigration and outsourcing cease to be the hot issues of the day.
 
[quote name='camoor']America must be selective about who it lets in the country because the education system has failed so spectacularly. America cannot afford to allow too much unskilled labor across it's borders because there is already a glut of that type of worker among the citizenry. Case in point of America's failed education system is the "no child left behind" act, which has the ultimately socialist tendency to concentrate teaching resources on the least likely to suceed while holding back the educational advancement of the average students and cutting off the tall poppies (IE the gifted and talented). By awarding educational funding to schools based on the number of students who pass a general competence exam, you are encouraging teachers and principals to focus the bulk of their efforts on the students who are the most likely to fail the test. These students are hardly the type of skilled labor that is going to engineer the US automotive and electronics industries back to number one in the world.

Even many of the US ruling elite have to realize by now that they have gone too far in their efforts to supress the revolutionary uprisings of the 60s/70s and keep the general populace dumb, happy, and easily duped. It will probably take a real brush with economic disaster, but eventually our public educational system (which hasn't really changed it's daily structure and academic list of subjects since the 1920s) will have to be overhauled, with more of a focus based on those who truly have the necessery intelligence and aptitude to succeed. Only then will topics such as immigration and outsourcing cease to be the hot issues of the day.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth.
 
It may be true, but what is the relevance to the "having babies" and/or "population growth" topic?

Go create a separate education topic if you want to discuss education.
 
[quote name='camoor']America must be selective about who it lets in the country because the education system has failed so spectacularly. America cannot afford to allow too much unskilled labor across it's borders because there is already a glut of that type of worker among the citizenry. Case in point of America's failed education system is the "no child left behind" act, which has the ultimately socialist tendency to concentrate teaching resources on the least likely to suceed while holding back the educational advancement of the average students and cutting off the tall poppies (IE the gifted and talented). By awarding educational funding to schools based on the number of students who pass a general competence exam, you are encouraging teachers and principals to focus the bulk of their efforts on the students who are the most likely to fail the test. These students are hardly the type of skilled labor that is going to engineer the US automotive and electronics industries back to number one in the world.

Even many of the US ruling elite have to realize by now that they have gone too far in their efforts to supress the revolutionary uprisings of the 60s/70s and keep the general populace dumb, happy, and easily duped. It will probably take a real brush with economic disaster, but eventually our public educational system (which hasn't really changed it's daily structure and academic list of subjects since the 1920s) will have to be overhauled, with more of a focus based on those who truly have the necessery intelligence and aptitude to succeed. Only then will topics such as immigration and outsourcing cease to be the hot issues of the day.[/QUOTE]

America does not have the same form of unskilled labor. Many immigrants will take the worst jobs in poor or disgusting conditions, and keep them. Many americans won't take them and, those that do, even fewer will stay with those jobs for any duration. I really don't care if you or someone you know will stay in a job like that for years on end, its about american born people as a whole.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']America does not have the same form of unskilled labor. Many immigrants will take the worst jobs in poor or disgusting conditions, and keep them. Many americans won't take them and, those that do, even fewer will stay with those jobs for any duration. I really don't care if you or someone you know will stay in a job like that for years on end, its about american born people as a whole.[/QUOTE]

With the situation as it is now I agree, however I need to put forward two points.

1) With less unskilled immigration, wages for those jobs would rise (they would have to, because the need is there) and more Americans would take them.

2) The real problem is that America doesn't have enough skilled labor. Not having enough unskilled labor would be a problem that would largely take care of itself (just import more tired, sick, yearning to be free etc). Finding educated, talented workers whose innovations and skills will propel your country's industries to the top of the heap is the current name of the game in immigration for many industrialized nations. Japan seems to be an interesting exception.
 
[quote name='camoor']With the situation as it is now I agree, however I need to put forward two points.

1) With less unskilled immigration, wages for those jobs would rise (they would have to, because the need is there) and more Americans would take them. [/quote]

But the costs may also rise on the part of the consumers. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, its just that it has ripple effects.

2) The real problem is that America doesn't have enough skilled labor. Not having enough unskilled labor would be a problem that would largely take care of itself (just import more tired, sick, yearning to be free etc). Finding educated, talented workers whose innovations and skills will propel your country's industries to the top of the heap is the current name of the game in immigration for many industrialized nations. Japan seems to be an interesting exception.
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We don't have enough american skilled labor, but we got plenty of immigrants who want to come here who are skilled. This is a major dilemma for me, on the one hand I believe in giving people the freedom to live where they choose, in what country they choose. On the other hand every doctor we get, every wealthy person we get, takes away even more from their home country. Who can used a top of the line surgeon more, the u.s. or ethiopia? The future for many students in poor countries lies in europe, canada and the u.s., but their home countries need them so much more. Its a mark of great pride (or stupidity, depending on who you talk to) for a highly skilled person to stay in their own country instead of moving to a 1st world nation that will pay them so much more and give them a much better life. There are too many professionals who see their fortunes and their futures abroad than in their own country.

Though Japan isn't really an exception for any good reason. It is more that they don't like foreigners, but many are coming to terms with the fact that japan needs immigrants and there is much talk about this in japan lately.
 
i find it funny that an amusing story can be ruined by some people and sent to the basement which is the Politics and Controversy thread.
 
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