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This is a quote of a 6yr old asked about jews who attends bible classes during public school time

"I asked them whether Jesus was a Christian and they said 'yes.' When I said, 'Jesus was a Jew,' one girl said, 'But Jesus was a good person,"' Ridell said."

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I do not blame the kid at all, it is not her fault. Little kids are just sponges of what is around them. That is the problem in my eyes. In this day in age, in this country crap like this is still going on. As a Jew I am offended, my people are still blamed for something that happened 2000yrs ago that we were not even responsible for. This isnt a christian bash, this is a moron bash, and if you think like this you are a moron to me.
 
I heard this same story on NPR yesterday. I still don't understand why church and Sunday school are enough indoctrination for some parents. On the NPR piece they did mention another school system that had to drop the bible classes because it was cutting into class time too much and they were falling behind on academics.
 
I really hate that people attack religion when they should be attacking fanaticism. But of course, that would mean that people would actually have to examine issues rather that flying off with thier canned knee-jerk reaction.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']I really hate that people attack religion when they should be attacking fanaticism.[/quote]

sometimes, they are the same thing. Fanaticism needs are root to take hold, that root is often religion.

In other words fanaticism doesn't happen in a vacumn
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='JSweeney']I really hate that people attack religion when they should be attacking fanaticism.[/quote]

sometimes, they are the same thing. Fanaticism needs are root to take hold, that root is often religion.

In other words fanaticism doesn't happen in a vacumn[/quote]

Religion is not the only place fanaticism spawns. To blame fanatacism soley on religion is foolish at best, and bigoted at worst.
 
[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='JSweeney']I really hate that people attack religion when they should be attacking fanaticism.[/quote]

sometimes, they are the same thing. Fanaticism needs are root to take hold, that root is often religion.

In other words fanaticism doesn't happen in a vacumn[/quote]

Religion is not the only place fanaticism spawns. To blame fanatacism soley on religion is foolish at best, and bigoted at worst.[/quote]

I agree, they aren't really the same thing IMO. Harmful fanaticism usually takes its true roots in things like hatred, jealously, fear, etc. In other words, religion is often the scapegoat for fanatics, not really the roots.
 
What can I say.

America is a land of tolerance as long as you're a fundamentalist xian.

Buddhists have felt the warmth: LINK

More compassionate conservatism:
I do not think witchcraft is a religion
- George Bush
Click to expand...

Don't get me started about the "tolerance" shown to peaceful Muslims (heck just search for anything written by PAD...)
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']This is a quote of a 6yr old asked about jews who attends bible classes during public school time

"I asked them whether Jesus was a Christian and they said 'yes.' When I said, 'Jesus was a Jew,' one girl said, 'But Jesus was a good person,"' Ridell said."

Link

I do not blame the kid at all, it is not her fault. Little kids are just sponges of what is around them. That is the problem in my eyes. In this day in age, in this country crap like this is still going on. As a Jew I am offended, my people are still blamed for something that happened 2000yrs ago that we were not even responsible for. This isnt a christian bash, this is a moron bash, and if you think like this you are a moron to me.[/quote]

Hey I'm with you on this one. Why do we still get blamed for something 2000years ago? I think in due part for its reoccurence in today's culture is the fact of The Passion of the Christ. I think it and many other conservatives brought back religion into the mainstream but where some understand and tolerate it, they brought back wounds that only recenlty were starting to heal.
 
[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='JSweeney']I really hate that people attack religion when they should be attacking fanaticism.[/quote]

sometimes, they are the same thing. Fanaticism needs are root to take hold, that root is often religion.

In other words fanaticism doesn't happen in a vacumn[/quote]

Religion is not the only place fanaticism spawns. To blame fanatacism soley on religion is foolish at best, and bigoted at worst.[/quote]

I didn't think he was.

Alot of the time, bigotism is built into religion itself. Look at the Vatican's stance on homosexuality.

Just because somebody doesn't agree with religion, doesn't mean they haven't put serious thought into it. Now you're stereotyping yourself.
 
I wasn't saying the only place fanaticism occurs is religion. Clearly people are fanatics about all sorts of things.

But fanaticism has to be based on something...and quite often, it is religion. In that case, they ARE the same thing. One could also argue that some religions require a certain level of fanaticism. I mean the root word is Latin fanaticus which means "inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple ".

That isn't to say that all religious folks are "bad" fanatics or that one cannot be fanatic about other things or "bad" fanatics only exist in religion because that would be ignorant. But the say fanaticism is seperate from the things it is based on is equally ignorant.

one mo' thing..I am admittedly using a broader defination of "fanaticism"
 
I too am Jewish, and I am always disgusted about people who speak like this. I live in New York so I don't experience the racism. But I have even heard things while playing on Xbox live that are just disgusting. Religion was meant to bring people together. Different religions should be celebrated and love and we should teach eachother about different customs and cultures. However, all too often people use religion as a way of bringing others down and trying to spread hate. This is not limited to just one or two religions but many people are put down and made to suffer. It's a shame that we live in such a world.
 
[quote name='camoor']What can I say.

America is a land of tolerance as long as you're a fundamentalist xian.

Buddhists have felt the warmth: LINK [/quote]

Well that happened in Tacoma, it's like someone getting stabbed in DC.
 
I wasn't saying the only place fanaticism occurs is religion. Clearly people are fanatics about all sorts of things.

Good. Clearly we at least agree on that.

But fanaticism has to be based on something...and quite often, it is religion. In that case, they ARE the same thing. One could also argue that some religions require a certain level of fanaticism. I mean the root word is Latin fanaticus which means "inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple ".

Actually, no. I wouldn't. I would agree that the person is a religous fanatic, and that the use thier version of a religion that they have corrupted with thier ignorance and hatred as the basis for their fanatacism.

If you want to refer to that "version" of the religion that person adheres to as the cause, I could agree. However, whenever this topic gets broached, all organized religion tends to get thrown under the bus along with the the often smaller, more radical sect that spawned this non-standard beliefs.

That isn't to say that all religious folks are "bad" fanatics or that one cannot be fanatic about other things or "bad" fanatics only exist in religion because that would be ignorant. But the say fanaticism is seperate from the things it is based on is equally ignorant.

I think we may be arguing different things here. Just like thier is with nationalism, racism and other such fanatical beliefs, there is a link to some often more acceptable set of beliefs that are bastardized from to loosely form the adherant's justification for thier fanatacism.

Yes, religon can often can be related to fanatacism, just as other sets of beliefs that can be co-oped to try to justify thier hatred, but I hardly see it as the cause. More often that is bigotry and ignorance.

one mo' thing..I am admittedly using a broader defination of "fanaticism"

True.
 
Wow, that has to be one of the last things a mod wants to see for a topic title. :lol: I damn near did a double take at the fact that it hadn't been locked yet. I'm glad you explained right off the bat where the quote came from.
 
Jews aren't bad people - they are still the chosen people of God. However, they did kill Jesus, and will be held accountable as a people when the time comes according to the Bible.

Take it or leave it.
 
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Oh, and the tolerance is so thick in here you can cut it with a knife!! :roll:

So much for practicing what you preach.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Jews aren't bad people - they are still the chosen people of God. However, they did kill Jesus, and will be held accountable as a people when the time comes according to the Bible.

Take it or leave it.[/quote]

I am not getting into a theological debate with you because I know it would in the end solve nothing. The only comment I have for you is ignorance must be bliss.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='Scrubking']Jews aren't bad people - they are still the chosen people of God. However, they did kill Jesus, and will be held accountable as a people when the time comes according to the Bible.

Take it or leave it.[/quote]

I am not getting into a theological debate with you because I know it would in the end solve nothing. The only comment I have for you is ignorance must be bliss.[/quote]

Like I said. that is what the bible says - take it or leave it.

And demeaning people who believe in something you don't is very intelligent of you. Like I said there is so much tolerance flowing through this topic.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='Scrubking']Jews aren't bad people - they are still the chosen people of God. However, they did kill Jesus, and will be held accountable as a people when the time comes according to the Bible.

Take it or leave it.[/quote]

I am not getting into a theological debate with you because I know it would in the end solve nothing. The only comment I have for you is ignorance must be bliss.[/quote]

Like I said. that is what the bible says - take it or leave it.

And demeaning people who believe in something you don't is very intelligent of you. Like I said there is so much tolerance flowing through this topic.
:roll: :roll: :roll:[/quote]

Scrub, just be quiet. You know that posting what you said is only going to stir up trouble. If you wanna troll, go to gamefaqs.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']

But fanaticism has to be based on something...and quite often, it is religion. In that case, they ARE the same thing. One could also argue that some religions require a certain level of fanaticism. I mean the root word is Latin fanaticus which means "inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple ".

Actually, no. I wouldn't. I would agree that the person is a religous fanatic, and that the use thier version of a religion that they have corrupted with thier ignorance and hatred as the basis for their fanatacism.

If you want to refer to that "version" of the religion that person adheres to as the cause, I could agree. However, whenever this topic gets broached, all organized religion tends to get thrown under the bus along with the the often smaller, more radical sect that spawned this non-standard beliefs.

.[/quote]

In the end I guess it is semantics. IMO, fanaticism requires enthusiam for a cause, devotion to that cause, unquestioning belief in that cause and testimony for that cause. So does religion.

But that doesn't mean fanaticism has to be a bad thing. One could be fanatic about their faith and be a perfectly reasonable, nice person.
 
[quote name='camoor']What can I say.

America is a land of tolerance as long as you're a fundamentalist xian.

Buddhists have felt the warmth: LINK

[/quote]

A) No offesne but you're probably one of the least tolerent people I've seen around here when it comes to religion. You elude to the fact people should be more open and tolerant toward other religions yet you don't seem to help the situation much.

B) The article you linked make no mention of christians or even that the theft came from a motivation of religious hatred. They don't even know who did it, instead, the theft was apparently referenced to be for monetary gain. But clearly all theft from other places of religious is the work of evil fundamentalist christians.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='JSweeney']I really hate that people attack religion when they should be attacking fanaticism.[/quote]

sometimes, they are the same thing. Fanaticism needs are root to take hold, that root is often religion.

In other words fanaticism doesn't happen in a vacumn[/quote]

Religion is not the only place fanaticism spawns. To blame fanatacism soley on religion is foolish at best, and bigoted at worst.[/quote]

I didn't think he was.

Alot of the time, bigotism is built into religion itself. Look at the Vatican's stance on homosexuality.[/quote]

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.
 
Funny how the girl's quote doesn't include the words "jews are bad people"

You gotta love how context is twisted to benefit an agenda. It's a 6 year old girl...wtf. She probably still believes in Santa Claus.
 
[quote name='defender']Funny how the girl's quote doesn't include the words "jews are bad people"

You gotta love how context is twisted to benefit an agenda. It's a 6 year old girl...wtf. She probably still believes in Santa Claus.[/quote]


It seems like it does imply jews are bad. "Jesus was a jew"replied with "But Jesus was a good person". It seems pretty simple that she was taught jews were bad people or she would not need to validate that Jesus was a good person. The point that she is 6 is the most important part. That fact that a 6yr old mind is warped to believe that garbage. Children are so easily molded till a certain age. She prob does still believe in santa claus and along with believe jews are bad. My guess is that her parents or friends will tell her that Santa isnt real. How many of them are going to tell her that jews arent bad people.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.[/quote]

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe']

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.[/quote]

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.[/quote]

So are you insinuating that the Pope has told people to hate gays?
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='camoor']What can I say.

America is a land of tolerance as long as you're a fundamentalist xian.

Buddhists have felt the warmth: LINK

[/quote]

A) No offesne but you're probably one of the least tolerent people I've seen around here when it comes to religion. You elude to the fact people should be more open and tolerant toward other religions yet you don't seem to help the situation much.

B) The article you linked make no mention of christians or even that the theft came from a motivation of religious hatred. They don't even know who did it, instead, the theft was apparently referenced to be for monetary gain. But clearly all theft from other places of religious is the work of evil fundamentalist christians.[/quote]

Well, I'd like to balance it out but I couldn't find any articles about thieves stealing crosses or stained glass windows (big surprise...). Don't worry, because if it happens I'm sure it will be headline stuff on Fox News.

Oh - and no offense taken. It would be pretty hard to take your mild talk as an insult when old Bushy is arbitrarily dissmissing religions he finds distasteful and basing the social policies of our modern world solely on his subjective opinion of the teachings of an ancient book of archaic law/belief/magic written in the Arabian desert 2000 years ago.

I guess Bushy missed that day in history class when they discussed the "Age of Reason".
 
[quote name='defender']Funny how the girl's quote doesn't include the words "jews are bad people"

You gotta love how context is twisted to benefit an agenda. It's a 6 year old girl...wtf. She probably still believes in Santa Claus.[/quote]

Well said. :applause:
 
[quote name='Pylis'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe']

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.[/quote]

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.[/quote]

So are you insinuating that the Pope has told people to hate gays?[/quote]

I cannot fathom how you arrived at that conclusion from my post. I am saying just because we see a connection between (some of) the church's teaching and the actions of some of its followers doesn't mean we don't understand religion.

Just because you disapprove of what some folks do, doesn't mean you hate them BUT it sure as hell makes it easier to hate someone if you do disapprove of what they do.
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='defender']Funny how the girl's quote doesn't include the words "jews are bad people"

You gotta love how context is twisted to benefit an agenda. It's a 6 year old girl...wtf. She probably still believes in Santa Claus.[/quote]

Well said. :applause:[/quote]

SK, you said that the Jews killed Jesus and you're accusing others of manipulating the truth? Have you no shame, sir?
 
I hear stories of Christian churches being defaced or robbed all the time. Maybe you just don't give a shit when you hear about it. Seriously..if you think because you are jewish you are special or that you are some persecuted victim of society then you need some help. Everyone is equal.

Yeah...I am sure I am gonna get some flames for that opinion. The EVERYONE IS EQUAL thing always pisses off those that like to think they are special. Maybe if instead of convincing people how much of a victim you are and instead concentrated on EQUALITY then you wouldn't have these problems.
 
[quote name='defender']I hear stories of Christian churches being defaced or robbed all the time. Maybe you just don't give a shit when you hear about it. Seriously..if you think because you are jewish you are special or that you are some persecuted victim of society then you need some help. Everyone is equal.

Yeah...I am sure I am gonna get some flames for that opinion. The EVERYONE IS EQUAL thing always pisses off those that like to think they are special. Maybe if instead of convincing people how much of a victim you are and instead concentrated on EQUALITY then you wouldn't have these problems.[/quote]

OK - give gays marriage, give the sick stem cells, and shut up about abortion and we can all go home happy.

Anything less and everyone is not getting EQUAL rights (hey but the xians and baby Jesus are happy so who cares, right :wink: )
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='Scrubking']Jews aren't bad people - they are still the chosen people of God. However, they did kill Jesus, and will be held accountable as a people when the time comes according to the Bible.

Take it or leave it.[/quote]

I am not getting into a theological debate with you because I know it would in the end solve nothing. The only comment I have for you is ignorance must be bliss.[/quote]

Like I said. that is what the bible says - take it or leave it.

And demeaning people who believe in something you don't is very intelligent of you. Like I said there is so much tolerance flowing through this topic.
:roll: :roll: :roll:[/quote]

I think demeaning a part of a religion that directly contributes to bigotry is fine. There is nothing good coming out of a teaching such as that, there is no positive spin to it, it has no positive effects, only negative. Respecting beliefs such as that is not part of promoting tolerance.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Pylis'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe']

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.[/quote]

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.[/quote]

So are you insinuating that the Pope has told people to hate gays?[/quote]

I cannot fathom how you arrived at that conclusion from my post. I am saying just because we see a connection between (some of) the church's teaching and the actions of some of its followers doesn't mean we don't understand religion.

Just because you disapprove of what some folks do, doesn't mean you hate them BUT it sure as hell makes it easier to hate someone if you do disapprove of what they do.[/quote]

The line, "Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing," is what led me to my conclusion, primarily due to the context it was in (namely its rebuttal to elprincipe who stated that he was unaware that the Pope was telling people to hate gays). Rereading your statement, I now see what you were initially trying to say, but I certainly don't see how it's unfathomable that I originally took this different meaning from your post. Anyway, I hope I didn't offend you or anything, but if I did, I apologize.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='defender']I hear stories of Christian churches being defaced or robbed all the time. Maybe you just don't give a shit when you hear about it. Seriously..if you think because you are jewish you are special or that you are some persecuted victim of society then you need some help. Everyone is equal.

Yeah...I am sure I am gonna get some flames for that opinion. The EVERYONE IS EQUAL thing always pisses off those that like to think they are special. Maybe if instead of convincing people how much of a victim you are and instead concentrated on EQUALITY then you wouldn't have these problems.[/quote]

OK - give gays marriage, give the sick stem cells, and shut up about abortion and we can all go home happy.

Anything less and everyone is not getting EQUAL rights (hey but the xians and baby Jesus are happy so who cares, right :wink: )[/quote]

I think that Defender is bringing up the notion that there is a double standard concerning "equality." For example, we have laws against beating people up, but then we have extra laws making it extra illegal to beat up a minority or homosexual. Aren't we all protected under the same rights? Why are some afforded extra protection?

Camoor, I concede your argument in favor of gay marriage (I myself have no problem with at the very least civil unions), but abortion and stem cell research arguably encroach the rights of the unborn. Equality is not so "black and white" in this scenario. Not a point worth debating, though, since there is no clear definition of when human life begins and it comes down to personal beliefs.
 
[quote name='defender']I hear stories of Christian churches being defaced or robbed all the time. Maybe you just don't give a shit when you hear about it. Seriously..if you think because you are jewish you are special or that you are some persecuted victim of society then you need some help. Everyone is equal.

Yeah...I am sure I am gonna get some flames for that opinion. The EVERYONE IS EQUAL thing always pisses off those that like to think they are special. Maybe if instead of convincing people how much of a victim you are and instead concentrated on EQUALITY then you wouldn't have these problems.[/quote]

Word.
 
[quote name='Pylis']I think that Defender is bringing up the notion that there is a double standard concerning "equality." For example, we have laws against beating people up, but then we have extra laws making it extra illegal to beat up a minority or homosexual. Aren't we all protected under the same rights? Why are some afforded extra protection?[/quote]

Well, in theory, you're right. But there's a difference between theory and reality, and that's where the extra laws have to come into play (and alot of the time they don't make a difference). We had laws against murder in the early 1900's, but that didn't stop the lynch mobs. And where was the law? I thought everybody had equal rights?

While everybody SHOULD be treated equally, there is STILL discrimination in this world. I find it laughable that somebody could think that the Christian religions in the USA get discriminated against just as much other religions. Yes, there are cases of people vandalizing a church, but there are examples for everything. The FACT is that (sadly) we are NOT all equal, and to complain when you're in the majority just makes you look like an ass.

When was the last time you saw your average white Christian get beat up because he was Christian? What about somebody who was Muslim?

There are alot of people in this thread talking about "tolerance", and how people aren't "tolerant" when it comes to Christianity. Look around, all of your holidays take precedent over everybody else's. YOU'RE in the majority (by a vast amount no less).
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='Pylis']I think that Defender is bringing up the notion that there is a double standard concerning "equality." For example, we have laws against beating people up, but then we have extra laws making it extra illegal to beat up a minority or homosexual. Aren't we all protected under the same rights? Why are some afforded extra protection?[/quote]

Well, in theory, you're right. But there's a difference between theory and reality, and that's where the extra laws have to come into play (and alot of the time they don't make a difference). We had laws against murder in the early 1900's, but that didn't stop the lynch mobs. And where was the law? I thought everybody had equal rights?

While everybody SHOULD be treated equally, there is STILL discrimination in this world. I find it laughable that somebody could think that the Christian religions in the USA get discriminated against just as much other religions. Yes, there are cases of people vandalizing a church, but there are examples for everything. The FACT is that (sadly) we are NOT all equal, and to complain when you're in the majority just makes you look like an ass.

When was the last time you saw your average white Christian get beat up because he was Christian? What about somebody who was Muslim?

There are alot of people in this thread talking about "tolerance", and how people aren't "tolerant" when it comes to Christianity. Look around, all of your holidays take precedent over everybody else's. YOU'RE in the majority (by a vast amount no less).[/quote]

Your statement is dumb. Do you realize that most religious discrimination in this country IS on Christianity? You must be blind or stupid to the fact that many groups were trying to get rid of Christmas. Did you not see that?

What about colleges promoting and requiring students to take muslim classes? If it were a christian class all hell would break loose and people would claim separation of church and state.

What about people not being able to wear a simple cross around their neck to work, or place a nativity scene next to jewish religious symbols on public property during the holidays?

What about all the people trying to get rid of God in the pledge, our money or any other public place?

How dumb do you have to be to not see this very fucking board where christianity is bashed every other damn day?

Christians may be the majority, but they are also the most targeted and persecuted.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='JSweeney']

But fanaticism has to be based on something...and quite often, it is religion. In that case, they ARE the same thing. One could also argue that some religions require a certain level of fanaticism. I mean the root word is Latin fanaticus which means "inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple ".

Actually, no. I wouldn't. I would agree that the person is a religous fanatic, and that the use thier version of a religion that they have corrupted with thier ignorance and hatred as the basis for their fanatacism.

If you want to refer to that "version" of the religion that person adheres to as the cause, I could agree. However, whenever this topic gets broached, all organized religion tends to get thrown under the bus along with the the often smaller, more radical sect that spawned this non-standard beliefs.

.[/quote]

In the end I guess it is semantics. IMO, fanaticism requires enthusiam for a cause, devotion to that cause, unquestioning belief in that cause and testimony for that cause. So does religion.

But that doesn't mean fanaticism has to be a bad thing. One could be fanatic about their faith and be a perfectly reasonable, nice person.[/quote]

I think we may be arguing definition here.
In my eyes, fanatacism is excessive, irrational zeal.
Because I hold that as the definition, I can't agree with your example.
If someone is a fanatic, they are by definition unreasonable.

The person you suggest (One could be fanatic about their faith and be a perfectly reasonable, nice person) would be devout, not fanatical.

I think we're both coming from relatively the same place, but it's the definitions we are using of fanatacism that seperates us.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe']

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.[/quote]

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.[/quote]

I do believe you are the most ignorant and hateful person on this board (now that Quackzilla is gone), and that's saying something.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Your statement is dumb. Do you realize that most religious discrimination in this country IS on Christianity? You must be blind or stupid to the fact that many groups were trying to get rid of Christmas. Did you not see that? [/quote]

Christians love to be martyrs (not to say that other religions don't as well). And since they are a huge majority in the US, of course they are a big target and they will have a lot to complain about.

Who are these groups trying to get rid of xmas? Banning nativity scenes on public property is not the same as getting rid of xmas. It's not having the government promote one religion over another. No group can or ever will ban xmas. Period.

[quote name='Scrubking']What about colleges promoting and requiring students to take muslim classes? If it were a christian class all hell would break loose and people would claim separation of church and state.[/quote]

At a time when we are at war with muslim fanatics, I don't think it's a bad idea to try to understand their culture better. It's not a church/state issue because, unlike grade school, you are not required to go to college. It's not an indoctrination into islam, it's an understanding of the culture that most people wouldn't get outside of that class.

[quote name='Scrubking']What about people not being able to wear a simple cross around their neck to work, or place a nativity scene next to jewish religious symbols on public property during the holidays?[/quote]

I've never heard about the jewelry thing. Do you have a link? Was this a safety issue? Was it only limited to crosses or did it exclude all religious symbols?

As for the nativity scene, I don't think any religious symbol should be on public property. Every church can put up whatever symbols they want - why do they feel the need to do it in front of the county courthouse?

[quote name='Scrubking']What about all the people trying to get rid of God in the pledge, our money or any other public place?[/quote]

Again, the government should not appear to sponsor one religion over any others. "Under God" was added to the pledge in the 1950s at the height of the Red Scare. The minister who actually wrote the pledge probably would have opposed including "under God" in it.

Why do you feel that we need to give God a shout-out on all of our money? Again, that phrase was added to paper money back when we were trying to root out commies (it's been on coins for far longer). Does it make the love of money less root-of-evilish?

[quote name='Scrubking']How dumb do you have to be to not see this very shaq-fuing board where christianity is bashed every other damn day?

Christians may be the majority, but they are also the most targeted and persecuted.[/quote]

As long as some christians:
1. hold themselves as morally superior to everyone else,
2. try to force their beliefs and values on all of us,
3. attempt to deny rights to homosexuals,
4. out every cartoon character,
5. support politicians who worship the almighty dollar more than helping their fellow man,
I will continue to point out their hypocrisy.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe']

Wow, I must have missed something because I never knew the Pope was telling people to hate gays. Disapproving of a certain kind of behavior and hating someone are much different things. No wonder so many on this board don't understand religion.[/quote]

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.[/quote]

I do believe you are the most ignorant and hateful person on this board (now that Quackzilla is gone), and that's saying something.[/quote]

because I happen to recognize when some people do stupid things in the name of religion?..um okay.

I think you are presuming way too much. The fact is ,for me see the hypocrisy of the actions of some religious folks, I would have know enough about religion to know when they are going astray. And I do.

Speaking of hypocrites, you cry when someone accuses Christians of "hating" gays but have no problem labeling me as "hateful" based on nothing.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']
As long as some christians:
1. hold themselves as morally superior to everyone else,
2. try to force their beliefs and values on all of us,
3. attempt to deny rights to homosexuals,
4. out every cartoon character,
5. support politicians who worship the almighty dollar more than helping their fellow man,
I will continue to point out their hypocrisy.[/quote]

:applause:
 
As long as some christians:
1. hold themselves as morally superior to everyone else,
2. try to force their beliefs and values on all of us,
3. attempt to deny rights to homosexuals,
4. out every cartoon character,
5. support politicians who worship the almighty dollar more than helping their fellow man,
I will continue to point out their hypocrisy.

So long as you frame it properly, that's not that offensive.
The problem comes in when people get overly lazy in crafting thier arguments, or are actually bigotted, and try to over-extend their argument, attacking christianity and religon as a whole, rathering that specifically pointing out and attacking the sect that conducts those actions.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='usickenme']

Understanding religion and making excuses for the things people do in it's name aren't the same thing.[/quote]

I do believe you are the most ignorant and hateful person on this board (now that Quackzilla is gone), and that's saying something.[/quote]

Most extreme leftist person maybe. Scrubking and PAD are at least equally bad, and probably moreso. usickenme leaves the hateful language and direct attacks alone most of the time.
 
Nice post Mr. Bad Example.

I am more in the middle myself when it comes to religion and my Catholicism. I do not force my opinions on others. I am very tolerant of other religions. I believe in individual rights but at the same time I vote for politicians that will uphold morals. I do not believe in GAY marriage....I would be absolutely fine with some Civil Union law...but marriage is for the most part a religious instituion..it's judeo-christian (as far as I know at least) so when gays ask for it...I say no and I hope my politicians agree.

Marriage is not a RIGHT...it is a privilege and something sacred between a man and a woman.

Well...this topic is getting interesting. Funny how a game forums has a really good intelligent political debate all the time. You gotta love it.
 
Thanks for the kind words but I don't agree that marriage is a privilege nor does it have to be religious. Plenty of couples just opt for a civil ceremony. I think some people are worried that if gay marriage is legalized, Adam & Steve will be pelted with rice right where they have Sunday service. Every church is free to have or not have gay marriage ceremonies. I haven't seen anyone argue that all churches should be forced to marry gay couples nor would I support such a position. I like my church and state separate.
 
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