Jimmy Carter slams Bush

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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/25/carter.reut/

"I think the basic reason is that our country suffered, in 9/11, a terrible and shocking attack ... and George Bush has been adroit at exploiting that attack and he has elevated himself, in the consciousness of many Americans, to a heroic commander-in-chief, fighting a global threat against America."

"He's repeatedly played that card, and to some degree quite successfully. I think that success has dissipated," he added.

"All of those long, tedious negotiations that were done by Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, (Richard) Nixon and me and (Ronald) Reagan to control the spread of nuclear weapons have been abandoned by Bush," he said.
 
Every time Jimmy Carter opens his mouth I think hmmmm; 18% interest rates, double digit unemployment, 52 American Hostages held in Teheran, blaming the American people for the "malaise", the eruption religously motivated violent state sponsored terrorism on his watch, scrapping the MX and B1 and a landslide defeat and think to myself.....

Why the fuck does he still have one reporter who gives a shit what he says?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']the eruption [of] religously motivated violent state sponsored terrorism on his watch[/quote]

Wow that phrase could be even better applied to Bush.

So the president can be blamed for horrible economy and terrible foreign relations... yet you still support Bush?
 
Backlash you have NO idea what a horrible economy is.

Carter oversaw credit card like prime rates in the high teens, he oversaw 12%+ unemployment, compare that to Bush's prime rate in the 2% range, unemployment at 5.4% and you think this is a horrible economy? Compared to what?

When did Khomeni come to power? 1978 wow, who was innagurated in 1976? Carter, he sucked ass, he sucked ass then, he sucks ass now. You want a walking picture of a failed President Jimmy Carter's comes with the Webster's dictionary definition.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Backlash you have NO idea what a horrible economy is.

Carter oversaw credit card like prime rates in the high teens, he oversaw 12%+ unemployment, compare that to Bush's prime rate in the 2% range, unemployment at 5.4% and you think this is a horrible economy? Compared to what?

When did Khomeni come to power? 1978 wow, who was innagurated in 1976? Carter, he sucked ass, he sucked ass then, he sucks ass now. You want a walking picture of a failed President Jimmy Carter's comes with the Webster's dictionary definition.[/quote]

But weren't you arguing that the president has no control over the economy and that's why we couldn't blame Bush for the ecomony now? Can't have it both ways.

And Khomeni took over after the Shah of Iran (a widely unpopular ruler put into office by the US). If there were any more parallels to Iraq this would be a geometry class.
 
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But weren't you arguing that the president has no control over the economy and that's why we couldn't blame Bush for the ecomony now? Can't have it both ways.
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Yeah, that was my point. Maybe horrible is an overstatement, but it's not good. Plus the unemployment figures are misleading, since the number of jobs is down but unemployment lwent down some, too - it doesn't count those who gave up looking for work.

I'm not defending Carter, btw, just comparing your statements about him to Bush.
 
Let's see, on the one hand we have Jimmy Carter who has won a Nobel peace prize. On the other hand we have George W. Bush who has, uh, what exactly has he done?
 
Know who else got a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat... Still wanna use the Nobel Peace Prize as a claim to fame?

How about this amusing website about the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Henry Kissinger. link
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Know who else got a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat... Still wanna use the Nobel Peace Prize as a claim to fame?

How about this amusing website about the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Henry Kissinger. link[/quote]

So what, because of 1 or 2 "foul ups", the Nobel Peace Prize is now a meaningless award?
 
Being insulted by Jimmy Carter is more of a compliment in my eyes. Reagan had to take a lot of drastic steps to get the military functioning again Carter let it almost die
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Know who else got a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat... Still wanna use the Nobel Peace Prize as a claim to fame?

How about this amusing website about the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Henry Kissinger. link[/quote]

Arafat was committed to peace at one point in his life. Thus the Oslo peace accords. However, Arafat later decided to foolishly walk away from that path of peace in 2000/2001.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']Being insulted by Jimmy Carter is more of a compliment in my eyes. Reagan had to take a lot of drastic steps to get the military functioning again Carter let it almost die[/quote]
True, that.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='RedvsBlue']Know who else got a Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat... Still wanna use the Nobel Peace Prize as a claim to fame?

How about this amusing website about the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Henry Kissinger. link[/quote]

So what, because of 1 or 2 "foul ups", the Nobel Peace Prize is now a meaningless award?[/quote]

My point exactly, if they've screwed up on those 2 who's to say they didn't screw up by giving Carter one.
 
My point exactly, if they've screwed up on those 2 who's to say they didn't screw up by giving Carter one.
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Umm... He negotiated the peace between Israel and Egypt, thats no small feat. The man has done more for peace than many other presidents have, during and after his presidency. He oversees elections in troubled countries and runs Habitat for Humanity. He established the Human Rights Doctrine. Was he a great president? Probably not, but what does that have to do with his work for peace?

Even Jimmy Carter increased the amount of jobs during his administration by 8 million and decreased the deficit, two things Bush can't claim. But if Bush inherited a bad economy, whos to say that Carter didn't?
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
My point exactly, if they've screwed up on those 2 who's to say they didn't screw up by giving Carter one.
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Umm... He negotiated the peace between Israel and Egypt, thats no small feat. The man has done more for peace than many other presidents have, during and after his presidency. He oversees elections in troubled countries and runs Habitat for Humanity. He established the Human Rights Doctrine. Was he a great president? Probably not, but what does that have to do with his work for peace?

Even Jimmy Carter increased the amount of jobs during his administration by 8 million and decreased the deficit, two things Bush can't claim. But if Bush inherited a bad economy, whos to say that Carter didn't?[/quote]

I'm not taking anything away from Carter's accomplishments. I actually think he's done a great job with Habitat for Humanity, its a great thing. I'm simplying saying that using the simple argument of "he won a nobel peace prize" in my opinion isn't enough to back up someone's claim that he's such a godsend to the world.
 
I would say that you could use the Peace Prize to say that he's done great things for the world, but you can't use it to say that he's a great president, or that he's an authority at all on current events, such as Iraq.

I didn't post this because I thought Jimmy Carter was an expert on the world, and if he says something it must be right, or whatever. I just thought it was interesting. But being a former President and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate does give him some credibility though, some. And he does know a ton about the middle east. But I can't say he's an "expert" on the current situation in Iraq though.
 
[quote name='"dafoomie"'] or that he's an authority at all on current events, such as Iraq.

I didn't post this because I thought Jimmy Carter was an expert on the world, and if he says something it must be right, or whatever.
That's what I was getting at. Wow it is possible to have a civilized discussion on CAG.
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