Jon Stewart interview on Fox News

I think Stewart saw through the line of questioning as a soft hit piece in order to delegitimize criticism and to claim a false equivalence. One clip, short answer, ok we need to move to the next clip.

Its hard to go toe to toe with smart, witty people - and comedians generally have that plus an understanding of nuance. I suspect that how viewers perceived it to have went also is informed by their ideology as well as understanding of that nuance. Not counting anyone who saw Fox's edited version, of course.
 
[quote name='Chris Wallace']They [the mainstream media] have a liberal agenda, and we tell the other side of the story.[/QUOTE]

Stewart thought this quote gave away the game. It was edited out of the broadcast version.
 
omg john stewart is so funny and awesome I love when he goes on fox news because he is so funny and then he tries to make fox news look so dumb and its so funny i love him so much
 
The 2nd part has the most perfect assesment of CNN/Fox/MSNBC/etc... in that the notion of a 24 hour news network is built upon the notion of 9/11 happening every day. There's simply not enough real news to fill 24 hours. That's why it happens in 15 to 30 minute cycles and is full of fluff and opinion disguised as news.
Now, when you are forced to see the disguised opinion as news that's when the indoctrination starts to happen.
Of course the Fox guy is trying to knock JS for being on Comedy Central. Fox guy simply doesn't understand that JS is doing comedy based on politics and the absurdity within politics. Fox guy complains that other programming on Comedy Central sullies The Daily Show. He just doesn't get it.
 
Always shows the other side? I guess give them that much as long as it is understood to mean their side and they don't care whether their side is lying.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']what a great comment that he had his comment was perfect thank you so much for posting that i love john stewart[/QUOTE]

fuck me you're an idiot.

Back to the ignore list with ye.

Anyway, this still isn't as good as Stewart calling Tucker Carlson a dick on Crossfire before it was canned.
 
I'm glad I'm going on your ignore list. You make so many wonderful posts and have wonderful debates on this board all the time. I wish myke and foc still posted.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']I'm glad I'm going on your ignore list. You make so many wonderful posts and have wonderful debates on this board all the time. I wish myke and foc still posted.[/QUOTE]

I wish you and unclebob wouldn't post.
 
[quote name='camoor']I wish you and unclebob wouldn't post.[/QUOTE]

I guess the ignore feature isn't working? Or is it too complicated to figure out?
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']I'll teach you how to put someone on the ignore feature if you want me to. PM me for details.[/QUOTE]

Assuming you weren't talking to the shelf jockey, I don't censor opinions I disagree with but thanks anyway.
 
Because, you know, telling people not to post isn't censoring their opinions.

If you put someone on ignore, they're still free to post whatever they want... In fact, they don't even have to know you have them on ignore.
But, if you prevent them from posting... then their opinions are censored.

Now, granted, "wishing" that someone doesn't post does not prevent them from posting, but the intent is clearly there.
 
Are we honestly arguing about the nuances between the ignore list and outright censorship because one person made a comment that he "wished" that two other people would stop posting?

fuck me you guys have zero ability to stay anywhere close to topic. troy made a silly (but on topic) comment that was in the vein of Jon Stewart and you guys make it into a broader statement of the state of the vs. forum. Let's just call a spade a spade and move on.
 
I refuse to call a spade a spade. Have you ever asked a spade if he wants to be a spade? A spade should be allowed to make whatever life choices he wants, how dare you try to take away the spade's right of choice.
 
And I think that spade should speak 'merican, buy a gun, and stop listening to the daggone rap musics.

This might have been the worst interview I've ever seen in my life. Comparing Comedy Central to Fox News is so apples to oranges, I'd even say it was apples to peanuts.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Are we honestly arguing about the nuances between the ignore list and outright censorship because one person made a comment that he "wished" that two other people would stop posting?

fuck me you guys have zero ability to stay anywhere close to topic. troy made a silly (but on topic) comment that was in the vein of Jon Stewart and you guys make it into a broader statement of the state of the vs. forum. Let's just call a spade a spade and move on.[/QUOTE]

I had no intentions of even posting in this topic until someone made a snippy comment that involved me.

[quote name='perdition(troy']I refuse to call a spade a spade. Have you ever asked a spade if he wants to be a spade? A spade should be allowed to make whatever life choices he wants, how dare you try to take away the spade's right of choice.[/QUOTE]

You shouldn't call a spade a spade because that's racist.
 
Who fucking cares if someone mentioned your name? You give people power every time you whine like a little bitch when someone calls you a bad name. Nobody here has the power to make you stop posting but they do have the ability to get you so far off topic, that you continually make yourself look like a fool.

You're the kid that constantly complains about his friends but continues to hang out with them every chance he can.

Back on topic again.....I can't wait until Jon Stewart goes back on. I'd love to see if they dig any of his old MTV stuff up as an example of his "liberal bias."
 
I had to watch Cartman's Mom Is A Slut, Parts 1 AND 2 :shudders:

That guy is awesome. Plain and simple.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Are we honestly arguing about the nuances between the ignore list and outright censorship because one person made a comment that he "wished" that two other people would stop posting?

fuck me you guys have zero ability to stay anywhere close to topic. troy made a silly (but on topic) comment that was in the vein of Jon Stewart and you guys make it into a broader statement of the state of the vs. forum. Let's just call a spade a spade and move on.[/QUOTE]
In the vein of Jon Stewart? What show are you watching? Stewart is smart and witty, troy is just trolling as usual.
 
[quote name='depascal22']This might have been the worst interview I've ever seen in my life. Comparing Comedy Central to Fox News is so apples to oranges, I'd even say it was apples to peanuts.[/QUOTE]

One is a comedy masquerading as a news show and the other is the Daily Show (ba-dum-tish)
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']omg john stewart is so funny and awesome I love when he goes on fox news because he is so funny and then he tries to make fox news look so dumb and its so funny i love him so much[/QUOTE]

Anything useful to contribute to this thread? Does Stewart's argument hold water or no? Like I said, the quote from Wallace above seems to have been one of those Washington gaffes where he accidentally spoke the truth about FNC.
 
It is a sad state of affairs that a comedian has to carry this banner. As for liberal bias in the media. Why is it that we had 3 weeks of weinergate yet hardly any mention of the far worse/more important Clarence Thomas scandal thats going on? Why is it that no journalists were asking the important questions in the lead up to the Iraq war yet they let every cook with a 2 bit opinion comment on health care making it seem like a huge scandal. Why is it that we heard little about Bush's mishandling of the war, economy or dozens of other fuck ups for most of his first term, yet the first 2 and a half years of Obamas were hugely focused on the birth certificate. Why was the Tea Party allowed to rise and why is Sarah Palin not called on more of her BS?

As Stewart said there is no left wing bias, there is however a stupid bias.
 
It's funny how comedians seem to be the voice of reason so often. I'm not even talking about Stewart, just in general. They often times seem to understand our society better than anyone in the media. It's kind of sad that we've come to that, that our media is such a joke that comics seem to have a better grasp on what is going on then they do.
 
[quote name='Clak']It's funny how comedians seem to be the voice of reason so often. I'm not even talking about Stewart, just in general. They often times seem to understand our society better than anyone in the media. It's kind of sad that we've come to that, that our media is such a joke that comics seem to have a better grasp on what is going on then they do.[/QUOTE]

I think its because most of the best comics are real. By real I mean they take a long hard look at life and make humor out of the things others want to ignore or at least pretend dont matter. Racism, sexism and all those other great isms. Things like abortion and child molestation. A good comedian looks at all those types of things and finds way to confront them with comedian. When you confront stuff like that its only natural that over time you become a more critical thinker and have a better or at least more realistic view of the world.

Basically where most people put their head in the sand a comedian confronts an issue and through understanding finds humor. Where as the media has had backlashes from covering stories people do not want to hear about and thus has more and more turtled inward focusing on the stupidest of shit.
 
[quote name='Clak']It's funny how comedians seem to be the voice of reason so often. I'm not even talking about Stewart, just in general. They often times seem to understand our society better than anyone in the media. It's kind of sad that we've come to that, that our media is such a joke that comics seem to have a better grasp on what is going on then they do.[/QUOTE]

The news media understands society, they just increasingly choose to make money over objectively reporting the facts. Society must also bare a portion of the blame, the media wouldn't be so sensationalistic if it didn't sell.
 
Or they could have a back bone and tell people they need to know this shit whether they want to or not. If enough news programs did that people wouldn't have a choice and would eventually become accustom to it like everything else. Sure the news has evolved to provide what people want to hear, but what we want to hear and need to hear aren't always the same things. that's why I think public media is so important, because they aren't as worried about entertaining people. I also think it's why some would like to de-fund it, because it interferes with their ability to the shape the story.
 
[quote name='Clak']Or they could have a back bone and tell people they need to know this shit whether they want to or not. If enough news programs did that people wouldn't have a choice and would eventually become accustom to it like everything else. Sure the news has evolved to provide what people want to hear, but what we want to hear and need to hear aren't always the same things. that's why I think public media is so important, because they aren't as worried about entertaining people. I also think it's why some would like to de-fund it, because it interferes with their ability to the shape the story.[/QUOTE]

Sad fact is that it's all about the money. It's really that simple.
 
Finally watching this and man o man while most of it was typical there was one part that I felt like jumping out of my seat and giving a round of applause even though there was no one in the room with me. They ask Stewart about a clip where ABC or some other orginization is reporting on the Arizona law and claiming something false and ask Stewart if it proves liberal bias. He goes on as we all know to talk about how it shows sensationalism and laziness in the media not bias. However he then goes on to give the best example and state perfectly the problem. He talks about Nancy Pelosi this week coming up to the podium and all these news outlets are uber excited to cover her because they think she is going to talk about Weiner. The second she opens her mouth and says we will not be talking about AW today, we are here to talk about jobs and the Democratic job plan...and every organization cuts the feed and moves on. He says THIS is what the media has become and that is why I am taken seriously which is a sad joke, it shows just how out of touch people are with the "media".
 
[quote name='Clak']In the vein of Jon Stewart? What show are you watching? Stewart is smart and witty, troy is just trolling as usual.[/QUOTE]

I think he trolls because he thinks the majority of posters here will rush to the defense of the left regardless of the issue at hand or evidence presented. We're beyond debate.

I probably should've said Colbert. He's aping the left (albeit badly) like Colbert trolls the right.

Are they equal? Of course not. troy is some dude in a politics forum on a video game site. Then again, we're all dudes on a politics forum on a video game site.



I'm with you, Magus. I thought Stewart was awesome in the interview but the line of questioning is a disjointed mess. Somehow, Fox thought this interview could somehow prove liberal bias once and for all.
 
[quote name='Clak']That and Colbert is funny, while troy comes off as condescending and bitter.[/QUOTE]

There are times when you could say Colbert was condescending if you didn't know his schtick. Either way, the ignore feature isn't hard to use.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I think he trolls because he thinks the majority of posters here will rush to the defense of the left regardless of the issue at hand or evidence presented. We're beyond debate.

I probably should've said Colbert. He's aping the left (albeit badly) like Colbert trolls the right.

Are they equal? Of course not. troy is some dude in a politics forum on a video game site. Then again, we're all dudes on a politics forum on a video game site.



I'm with you, Magus. I thought Stewart was awesome in the interview but the line of questioning is a disjointed mess. Somehow, Fox thought this interview could somehow prove liberal bias once and for all.[/QUOTE]

I think that Fox really thought they were going to stick it to Stewart this time. They had him up against not an opinions broadcaster but one of their news guys and a tough interviewer to boot. I think they thought that if nothing else they could catch him in a gotcha moment and make a fool out of him. Its amazing that Stewart has become such a political power, I mean the guy really freaking knows his stuff now and I dont think I have ever seen someone get the better of him.
 
I don't think anyone (fox or any other news station) will ever "get the better of him". He knows his audience, he knows what they want, and he focuses on things that make them think he is an incredibly intelligent man. He'll never deviate from the points he has in his head (that pander to his audience), and that's why he will be successful until people get bored listening to him.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']I don't think anyone (fox or any other news station) will ever "get the better of him". He knows his audience, he knows what they want, and he focuses on things that make them think he is an incredibly intelligent man. He'll never deviate from the points he has in his head (that pander to his audience), and that's why he will be successful until people get bored listening to him.[/QUOTE]

The fact that he even showed up on fox news proves this to be incorrect.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']I don't think anyone (fox or any other news station) will ever "get the better of him". He knows his audience, he knows what they want, and he focuses on things that make them think he is an incredibly intelligent man. He'll never deviate from the points he has in his head (that pander to his audience), and that's why he will be successful until people get bored listening to him.[/QUOTE]

I suppose it makes sense that you'd resent people who refuse to be led off topic.
 
I love people like that. They act like they "get it". They're too smart to listen to anyone, so they listen to no one at all, or at least they think they don't. Unless you're there seeing the news happening you're listening to someone and your opinion is being shaped by it. The most you can do is to look further into anything important.
 
Again, does Stewart have a point? Is FNC activist/lazy while the rest of the media is just lazy?

I'd be interested to hear Stewart's answer if the question was: "would you rather have a media that is lazy or a media that is partisan?"
 
I'd pick lazy personally, that leads to a uninformed society, but at least they aren't mobilized. Neither choice is a good one.
 
Imma gonna let y'all finish, but real quick...
[quote name='depascal22']Who fucking cares if someone mentioned your name? You give people power every time you whine like a little bitch when someone calls you a bad name. Nobody here has the power to make you stop posting but they do have the ability to get you so far off topic, that you continually make yourself look like a fool.[/QUOTE]
Just want to point out that I wasn't whining that someone called out my name. I was merely pointing out the fact that I wasn't the one who attempted to derail this thread.

Now that I'm through with that derailing...

Stewart is a great comedian and decent news analyst. Sure, he swings to the left, but he often picks and jabs at the left as well.

I'd take Stewart over FOX News any day of the week (except for Fridays, I guess...)
 
My problem is Stewart is the same one I always had with Al Franken, which is that they have their moments where they make an attempt at serious journalism and reporting, and at times express a desire to be taken seriously in such endeavors, but at the same time, they are allowed to exaggerate and mix up facts and truths, and say it's ok because they are comedians, and you are at fault for trying to take them seriously in the first place. This was brought up at one point in the interview, but I think Stewart largely dodged the issue. At least Stephen Colbert realizes that his show is an unabashed farce and a parody and at no point attempts to be taken seriously.

For a very large percentage of the American public, the only exposure to what is going on in the world of politics (sadly) comes from Jon Stewart, and I think he has a duty and responsibility to stop blurring the lines between journalism and comedy. While it's certainly not his fault that so many people are ignorant enough to believe that he is actually reporting the news, it is still his burden to bear.
 
Eh, Colbert makes serious statements all the time, it's just that it's done in a sarcastic way, and he usually moves on pretty quickly. It's only a farce because he's in character, he's lampooning conservative broadcasters.
 
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