Jon Stewart's Rally to Restore Sanity/Colbert's March to Keep Fear Alive

[quote name='Clak']I doubt there are too many people on the right even there. This has already been spun as some liberal hippie festival.[/QUOTE]

Lets say thats right, that conservatives did not show up. Use it as a time to show people on the left can get together and its not a big pot smoking hippie orgy, nor an excuse to slam the right. Use it as a time to show the left is just as unhappy as the right with government in its current form, but that we can be civil about it. Use it as a time that shows that there are people out there(many)that want Health care reform and taxes to be raised on the upper class. Use it to show the contrast we do not get to see right now.
 
See here is the thing, Stewart and Colbert are entertainers, they aren't just political pundits. This is different from Beck's rally because of who these two people are. They're trying to show how silly all this crap is and I think they're doing a pretty good job of it.
 
Says it all

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[quote name='perdition(troy']most of us on CAG (vs forum) work for a living, and when it comes to the weekend we do enjoyable things.[/QUOTE]
Wow, snark.

Are you implying that I don't work for a living? If you had attended, you would have found it a very enjoyable use of a weekend.

Good Show, Jon Stewart, good show.
 
One of the funniest signs I saw:

'With all of this teabagging going on, I almost wish I had a scrotum'

Had a lot of fun, saw some old college friends. It was kinda funny, didn't hear all of it from where I was standing.
 
[quote name='IRHari']One of the funniest signs I saw:

'With all of this teabagging going on, I almost wish I had a scrotum'

Had a lot of fun, saw some old college friends. It was kinda funny, didn't hear all of it from where I was standing.[/QUOTE]I saw a ton of teabagging and Hitler signs around. One person I saw looked EXACTLY like someone I knew from college (probably was), but since he didn't say something, I didn't either.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo']The National Park Service estimated Beck's rally at around 300,000, so it's a matter of lol depending on whose counts you believe.[/QUOTE]

It says the organizers got a permit for 300,000 and that the national park service hasn't done estimates since 1997.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']lol that's almost 2.5x the amount of people who showed up for Glenn Beck's rally

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Good job picking the worst lowball to quote. Even the NYT says becks ralley was at least 300,000.


Even still, it's fun to watch which media outlet sticks with which numbers numbers for each ralley, depending on their political leanings.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Good job picking the worst lowball to quote. Even the NYT says becks ralley was at least 300,000.


Even still, it's fun to watch which media outlet sticks with which numbers numbers for each ralley, depending on their political leanings.[/QUOTE]

Do you have a problem with the methodology or the time they took the pictures of the rally?
 
[quote name='SpazX']Do you have a problem with the methodology or the time they took the pictures of the rally?[/QUOTE]

Well he is correct. A simple search shows different sources giving different estimates. CBS gave by far the lowest results and was the only source predicting under 100,000 people. Meanwhile a few sources put it at 200,000, a few 300-350 and finally fox news offcourse reported over 500,000. Given these facts he is right to question the bias of people who choose to put up numbers skewed by far the most towards Beck being a failure and Stewart a success.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Well he is correct. A simple search shows different sources giving different estimates. CBS gave by far the lowest results and was the only source predicting under 100,000 people. Meanwhile a few sources put it at 200,000, a few 300-350 and finally fox news offcourse reported over 500,000. Given these facts he is right to question the bias of people who choose to put up numbers skewed by far the most towards Beck being a failure and Stewart a success.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you'll find different estimates, but based on what? CBS laid out the methodology and you can look at the pictures the company (who did the estimating) based it on.

EDIT: What I'm saying is that you don't say that an estimate is wrong simply because someone else gave another one. That means that one or the other is less accurate, it doesn't tell you anything about which one it is. So is there a problem with the methodology or the time (or both)? Do you think the way they counted people was inaccurate or did they take the pictures at a time when the crowd was not as large? Did the other sources have a better method?

Aside from that we're also comparing two events that were estimated using the same methodology, meaning that if they were both flawed they'd be flawed in the same way (unless of course you think the company has a reason to inflate one and deflate the other).
 
[quote name='SpazX']I'm sure you'll find different estimates, but based on what? CBS laid out the methodology and you can look at the pictures the company (who did the estimating) based it on.[/QUOTE]

And that is fine, as I said though it is questionable when they are half a dozen other sources listing 2-3x the numbers CBS says...yet CBS is the organization whos numbers you choose to quote. Don't get me wrong, I would love if these numbers are right and Glenn Becks rally really had less then half the people Stewarts had, I just wont instantly buy that.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Good job picking the worst lowball to quote. Even the NYT says becks ralley was at least 300,000. [/QUOTE]

Um, no. I posted the number from the same source.

An estimated 215,000 people attended a rally organized by Comedy Central talk show hosts Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance at the "Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear" on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which took place on the Mall in Washington. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 10 percent.
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An estimated 87,000 people attended a rally organized by talk-radio host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which stretched from in front of the Lincoln Memorial along the Reflecting Pool to the Washington Monument. Beck and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at the rally.
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Or are you trying to argue that CBS hired AirPhotosLive.com to make Glenn Beck look bad or that AirPhotosLive.com is bias?

- edit And how about that NYT estimate?

Without official estimates, any numbers published by reputable news organizations — like the 300,000 estimate — quickly got picked up and repeated enough to almost become fact. Domenico Montanaro, an NBC News off-air political reporter, tweeted Saturday that a Parks Service official said there were probably 300,000 to 325,000 in attendance (even though the Parks Service wasn't officially counting). The New York Times cited NBC News' estimate of 300,000, and the Drudge Report amplified the tally even more.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upsho...lenn-beck-rally-sparks-debate-over-crowd-size

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Thanks for your blog, The Mana Knight!

Aside from the numbers (Fox isn't very good at counting), I think we can agree that it was a successful rally in the sense that it was entertaining, people had fun, and Jon's speech at the end was good. Any more personal CAG accounts?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Good job picking the worst lowball to quote. Even the NYT says becks ralley was at least 300,000.


Even still, it's fun to watch which media outlet sticks with which numbers numbers for each ralley, depending on their political leanings.[/QUOTE]I think it was even higher. I mean, just as I left with an hour left, tons more will still flooding in. It was difficult to judge how many were there. The line at the DC Metro alone was in the thousands.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']
Or are you trying to argue that CBS hired AirPhotosLive.com to make Glenn Beck look bad or that AirPhotosLive.com is bias?
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Yes we all know network news programs don't have agendas and they don't alter information to create stories.

:roll:
 
[quote name='Afflicted']Yes we all know network news programs don't have agendas and they don't alter information to create stories.

:roll:[/QUOTE]

lol you are right

CBS hired a third party to make Glenn Beck to look like a fool by underreporting his rally and than gave them even more money to inflate Jon Stewart's numbers to make Beck look like fool x 2

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW IN FACT I BET IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT THAT WAS BEHIND IT HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THERMITE PAINT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUILDING 7 blah blah blah

And you aren't accusing CBS of altering information, you are accusing them of making up information in some type of liberal plot to make Beck look like a jackass. Seems like they don't even care. Beck isn't mentioned once in the Stewart rally story. If they wanted to fuck with Beck, the story title could have been STEWART'S RALLY OUTDRAWS BECK 2.5:1
 
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[quote name='Sporadic']Or are you trying to argue that CBS hired AirPhotosLive.com to make Glenn Beck look bad or that AirPhotosLive.com is bias?

- edit And how about that NYT estimate?[/QUOTE]

Clearly you don't understand. Every single media outlet in the world has a liberal bias. Except for FOX News: they're straight down the middle.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']lol you are right

CBS hired a third party to make Glenn Beck to look like a fool by underreporting his rally and than gave them even more money to inflate Jon Stewart's numbers to make Beck look like fool x 2

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW IN FACT I BET IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT THAT WAS BEHIND IT HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THERMITE PAINT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUILDING 7 blah blah blah

And you aren't accusing CBS of altering information, you are accusing them of making up information in some type of liberal plot to make Beck look like a jackass. Seems like they don't even care. Beck isn't mentioned once in the Stewart rally story. If they wanted to fuck with Beck, the story title could have been STEWART'S RALLY OUTDRAWS BECK 2.5:1[/QUOTE]


Um... actually I'm accusing CBS/NBC/etc of having their own agendas and not being the factual news reporters that you seem to think they are...

live in your own little closet and believe what the talking heads tell you to... I don't really care.

Sooner or later you're figure out that the media from both sides are full of shit...
 
[quote name='Afflicted']Um... actually I'm accusing CBS/NBC/etc of having their own agendas and not being the factual news reporters that you seem to think they are...

live in your own little closet and believe what the talking heads tell you to... I don't really care.

Sooner or later you're figure out that the media from both sides are full of shit...[/QUOTE]

Let me quote myself from another thread.

[quote name='Sporadic']lol i don't watch olbermann (and i don't even watch network or local news)[/QUOTE]

And second, there is spin and there is making shit up. The latter doesn't happen very often and when it does, it's pretty easy to spot (see Israel and the flotilla)
 
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How Many People Attended Jon Stewart’s ‘Rally For Sanity’?

Not sure if you’ve heard, but yesterday Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert put together a rather significant event at the National Mall. And now that the “Rally to Restore Sanity” is done, the breathless game of guesstimating the crowd size — and comparisons to the crowd size of previous rallies to restore stuff has begun. Yes, the question people are asking is, who’s is bigger? Glenn Beck’s or Jon Stewart’s?

Estimates for the crowd size have varied. During the rally, the hosts of Myth Busters (who warmed up the crowd) estimated the crowd at 150,000. CTV estimated the crowd to be over 250,000. CBS News hired a company called AirPhotosLive.com and arrived at 215,000, though their estimates of Glenn Beck’s crowd size of 87,000 was derided by many at being very low. Writing for CBS News’ “Political Hotsheet,” Brian Montopoli reports:

An estimated 215,000 people attended a rally organized by Comedy Central talk show hosts Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance at the “Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear” on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which took place on the Mall in Washington. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 10 percent.

CBS News also commissioned AirPhotosLive.com to do a crowd estimate of Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally in August. That rally was estimated to have attracted 87,000 people. Amid criticism from conservatives that the estimate was low, CBS News detailed the methodology behind it here.

In the days that followed Glenn Beck’s “Rally to Restore Honor” there was some discrepancies in many of the estimates of the crowd. Mediaite’s Glynnis MacNicol (who actually attended the Beck rally) wrote at the time:

Thus far, the big question following yesterday’s event appears to be how many people attended. Answer from the ground: a lot. Interestingly CBS is estimating the crowd at 87,000. NBC quoted the National Parks service which put it at 300,000. Based solely on my perspective from the ground and the fact I was in Washington for the Inauguration I would err on the side of NBC and the National Parks. But the discrepancy begs the question: how do you lose 200,000 people?

NPR’s Dina Temple-Raston reported yesterday that, having attended both, she thought that the Stewart rally was slightly larger than the Beck rally. The accepted rough estimate that emerged for the attendance at the Beck rally was roughly 200,000 (give or take.) And I suspect that the accepted rough estimate for attendance at the Jon Stewart rally will likely be the same.

I suggest that we just call it a tie?
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Who knows. Who cares. Both rally's were about as equally political (or not) from what I saw.

It is fun to note that the national parks "unofficial" estimate of 200,000 for Stewart's rally was trumpeted by HufPo, but the national park's "unofficial" estimate of 300,000 for the Beck rally was entirely ignored when they tweeted the word "Obliterated" - to describe Stewart's rally compared to Beck's.

It's all fun and games for the kids though. I just feel sorry for anyone that remotely trusts HuffPo as a legit news source.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Link

How Many People Attended Jon Stewart’s ‘Rally For Sanity’?



Who knows. Who cares. Both rally's were about as equally political (or not) from what I saw.

It is fun to note that the national parks "unofficial" estimate of 200,000 for Stewart's rally was trumpeted by HufPo, but the national park's "unofficial" estimate of 300,000 for the Beck rally was entirely ignored when they tweeted the word "Obliterated" - to describe Stewart's rally compared to Beck's.

It's all fun and games for the kids though. I just feel sorry for anyone that remotely trusts HuffPo as a legit news source.[/QUOTE]

It is ammusing to see all the partisan bickering about a rally trying to be anti partisan and pro reason and logic. People on the left at this board instantly trusted the first source that posted numbers in their favor and then proceeded to insult and mock anyone that did not. You on the other hand and other conservatives are finding political bias where really there is none. Stewart did a very good job bringing the whole thing together and not taking pot shots at the right every few seconds.

So end of the day, I guess what I am saying is...good job restoring sanity guys! The rally was hardly over and people were bickering about partisan issues in the most childish ways ;) Welcome to the new American politics.
 
Somebody should have had a zerg sign saying "I for one welcome our new alien overrlords."

And for a minute I actually thought that was Matthew Lesko.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Who knows. Who cares. Both rally's were about as equally political (or not) from what I saw.[/QUOTE]

This guy does!:

[quote name='thrustbucket']
It is fun to note that the national parks "unofficial" estimate of 200,000 for Stewart's rally was trumpeted by HufPo, but the national park's "unofficial" estimate of 300,000 for the Beck rally was entirely ignored when they tweeted the word "Obliterated" - to describe Stewart's rally compared to Beck's.

It's all fun and games for the kids though. I just feel sorry for anyone that remotely trusts HuffPo as a legit news source.[/QUOTE]

Seriously though, listen to what Jon Stewart actually said. fuck the intellectual cohesiveness of his message. Crowd size and crowd color. That's all that really matters. Certainly to you, at least.
 
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