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May 31, 2005

European ideal 'not rejected' says Chirac
By Times Online

PRESIDENT Jacques Chirac said tonight in a televised address to the nation that France’s “no" vote to the European constitution was “not the rejection of the European ideal.”

Instead, the French leader said, the outcome of Sunday’s referendum was a demand for action and results, explaining his decision to appoint a new prime minister earlier in the day.

“You are calling for determined, immediate action to respond as soon as possible to the present difficulties, which are unemployment and spending power,” said Chirac, in a tacit acknowledgment of widespread dissatisfaction with his economic policies.

Some 55 percent of voters rejected Chirac’s call for ratification of the European Union constitution.
France was the first of the bloc’s 25 nations to say “no; to the treaty.

“This vote does not signify the rejection of the European ideal,” he said. “It’s a demand for listening, it’s a demand for action, it’s a demand for results.”

In the referendum, Chirac said, “strong, diverse - and at times, contradictory - expectations were expressed, and they come together in a feeling of dissatisfaction and
insecurity in today’s world.”

Chirac blended a pep-talk delivery with acknowledgment that many French are angry. He said preserving France’s way of life hinges on staying part of Europe and holding true to a “French model; based on economic dynamism, solidarity and labor dialogue.

It “is not an Anglo-Saxon type model, nor is it a model synonymous with ’immobility’,” he said.
He said the “no; vote “opened a period of difficulty and uncertainty for Europe and for France; and said all options were on the table to reduce public anxiety.

“Faced with the current situation, as with other difficult moments in our history, we have to react, to reunite, overcome our difficulties and get past the blockades to move our country ahead,” he said.

Chirac confirmed that he was bringing Nicolas Sarkozy, a two-time minister and potential rival, back into the new government “in a spirit of coming together.”

Chirac said creating jobs would be the priority of the new government, which will be led by Dominique de Villepin, appointed prime minister earliertoday.

Unemployment is running at 10 percent. Among the under-25s, the rate is 23.3 percent.

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Pay close attention to that last group of statistics oh lefties. Near socialist France, the ideal many in the Democratic party and this board wish we shared, is running double digit unemployement and has nearly 1 in 4 under 25 jobless. That's what high taxes, obscene regulations and out of control labor unions get you.

He sounds exactly like Michael Moore trying to justify the hose beating the Democrats took last November. I have to say one thing, I'm so glad I have no French heritage.

This guy is so screwed it's not even funny.
 
But sweden, the nation usually pointed to by so called "lefties", has lower unemployment than the u.s.

edit: "hose beating", what was the margin of victory again?

Also, the french have a much longer heritage than we do, and at least they didn't have to kill a bunch of natives to get their land.
 
no not really. before they were the those tough viking Franks, but somehow they turned French.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'] Near socialist France, the ideal many in the Democratic party and this board wish we shared[/QUOTE]

The UK and many european countries ARE socialist.

You are an idiot if you think socialism and communism are one and the same.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']But sweden, the nation usually pointed to by so called "lefties", has lower unemployment than the u.s.

edit: "hose beating", what was the margin of victory again?

Also, the french have a much longer heritage than we do, and at least they didn't have to kill a bunch of natives to get their land.[/QUOTE]


And their heritage sucks. Their whole history is about surrendering and being pussies. Yeah you're right, I'm sure they killed no one to get their land. You must be a teacher.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']And their heritage sucks. Their whole history is about surrendering and being pussies. Yeah you're right, I'm sure they killed no one to get their land. You must be a teacher.[/QUOTE]

? You suggesting there was a population that needed to be exterminated?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']? You suggesting there was a population that needed to be exterminated?[/QUOTE]


I'm suggesting they needed to step over someone to get their land. And if you think France never comitted any atrocities, then you are really dumb.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']And their heritage sucks. Their whole history is about surrendering and being pussies.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that Napolean was a real pushover, as was Joan of Arc.

Why don't you open a history book.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']I'm suggesting they needed to step over someone to get their land. And if you think France never comitted any atrocities, then you are really dumb.[/QUOTE]

Algeria comes to mind.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']Algeria comes to mind.[/QUOTE]

Algeria is why France was against the Iraq war, same exact situation.

In the end they had to pull out and cut their losses, just like Vietnam.
 
I love your signature quack, I really do! Made my morning. If you were ever capable of debating anything instead of writing one sentence and saying "I WIN!" there might be some truth to it.

I love you quack and so does Jesus.
 
I explained why France was against the Iraq war (why is why you hate them) and that is your response?

Aren't you supposed to be over 40 years old? Start acting like it.
 
[quote name='camoor']Yeah, that Napolean was a real pushover, as was Joan of Arc.

Why don't you open a history book.[/QUOTE]

Ol' Bonaparte was Italian, and I don't know why, but I find it exceedingly funny that he was defeated by the Prussians. I also don't know why those who are "anti-French" do not look to their "Revolution" for material, as there's a lot more to fault within that context than the old standby of "surrendering pussies".
 
Reality's Fringe said:
Ol' Bonaparte was Italian, and I don't know why, but I find it exceedingly funny that he was defeated by the Prussians. I also don't know why those who are "anti-French" do not look to their "Revolution" for material, as there's a lot more to fault within that context than the old standby of "surrendering pussies".

Because recognizing a system characterized by such severe stratification and ruled by elites indifferent to the proletarians really ruins the facade that "we" are nothing like "they" are.

myke.
 
Hey, I didn't mean anything about the hypocrisy in it, I just meant it made more sense. "Recognizing flaws in your own system is important". A public service anouncement.
 
Reality's Fringe]Hey said:
A public service anouncement.[/b]

Sure, it does make more sense, but avoiding hypocrisy in an argument *is* pretty important; if you walk right into it, the debate stops right there and turns into a "you're a hypocrite!" finger-pointing episode.

Also, we had something to do with World War II, so it's more likely something that people can easily comprehend, relative to the state of affairs that led to the French Revolution. Ethnocentricity, my friend.

myke.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']I'm suggesting they needed to step over someone to get their land. And if you think France never comitted any atrocities, then you are really dumb.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you just stick to what I said.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Why don't you just stick to what I said.[/QUOTE]


LOL, because you're a stupid pushover democrat who is wrong 90% of the time. Listening to you is like listening to a drunkard. Sorry, I base my ideas on facts not on random message board democrats. Plus, you're wrong. (like always)
 
[quote name='dmpolska']LOL, because you're a stupid pushover democrat who is wrong 90% of the time. Listening to you is like listening to a drunkard. Sorry, I base my ideas on facts not on random message board democrats. Plus, you're wrong. (like always)[/QUOTE]

So, for me to be wrong, there must have been a native french population that was almost wiped out as the current french took over their land.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']So, for me to be wrong, there must have been a native french population that was almost wiped out as the current french took over their land.[/QUOTE]


You know, I love how you give an example to something that would be almost impossible to prove. And I love your bitterness to compare everything to the wipe out of Native Americans.

You know what, you're right. France is perfect and they never did anything wrong... ever.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']You know, I love how you give an example to something that would be almost impossible to prove. And I love your bitterness to compare everything to the wipe out of Native Americans. [/quote]

Considering that's the point you attacked, you should prove otherwise.

You know what, you're right. France is perfect and they never did anything wrong... ever.

Though I should just let you talk for me, even if I don't type it you just type it for me.

Your argument is a bunch of things you made up and I never said.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Europeans didn't have to murder children to get their land, pussies.[/QUOTE]

Did you have to run over those kittens with a lawnmower to reclaim your back yard?

I'd be careful when you're mentioning pussies, you have a bad reputation with cats.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Considering that's the point you attacked, you should prove otherwise.



Though I should just let you talk for me, even if I don't type it you just type it for me.

Your argument is a bunch of things you made up and I never said.[/QUOTE]


Can you prove to me that France never killed any natives to get their current-day land?


I don't "make things up," and I dont constantly use allusions to try to strenghten the reputation of one (Frogs), by bringing down the other (US).

But you know what, keep it up. France is perfect.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Europeans didn't have to murder children to get their land, pussies.[/QUOTE]

You shouldn't emulate what you criticize in your signature. This statement betrays a rather shocking ignrance of European history. Next time know something about that which you speak of.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']Can you prove to me that France never killed any natives to get their current-day land? [/quote]

There is no archeological evidence of such, they were the natives (as far as homosapiens are concerned). Your assumption is baseless, if you want to say something did occur (opposed to something did not occur) you need to provide evidence.

I don't "make things up," and I dont constantly use allusions to try to strenghten the reputation of one (Frogs), by bringing down the other (US).

But you know what, keep it up. France is perfect.

Keep up the slurs and keep making up things I never said. When you want to have a rational discussion I'd be more than happy, but you can't even respond to a simple sentence without making some absurd, wild statement that doesn't even resemble what I actually said.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Did you have to run over those kittens with a lawnmower to reclaim your back yard?

I'd be careful when you're mentioning pussies, you have a bad reputation with cats.[/QUOTE]

And yet you claim to be a middle aged war veteran...
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
I love you quack and so does Jesus.[/QUOTE]


Hahahaha

Now you are acting like the crazy women on the bus.

"Are you Catholic?" - Her
"Umm.... ahh.... no." - Me
"I just want you to know that God STILL loves you." -Her

So God hates me because I'm not? Is that what she is saying? Wacko. Her and "her" god can go fuck themselves.

Now on with the lame ass second grade jokes.


One more thing. "Native Americas" were not native to North America, they came from Russia. I am from North America and I'm an American, so I guess that I'm Native American.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You shouldn't emulate what you criticize in your signature. This statement betrays a rather shocking ignrance of European history. Next time know something about that which you speak of.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, after all Europeans committed many atrocities using children, the worst probably being the "Children's Crusade"
 
[quote name='David85']
One more thing. "Native Americas" were not native to North America, they came from Russia. I am from North America and I'm an American, so I guess that I'm Native American.[/QUOTE]

I think the term native is more correctly applied to the original humans to settle there, or to cultures that originate in a particular area.
 
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