Liberals try to take advantage of children... again!

The suggestions also include:

* "Organize the letter so that your ideas progress logically."
* "Use correct grammar."
* "Choose words that are well suited to the purpose, audience, and context of your letter."

Logic and Correct Grammar?

How unfair to W! Plus they are making the assumption that W can read.
 
Well, that is what you get for having a socialist public education system. Let's abolish the whole thing, and ignore the democratic socialist party and the republican socialist party in favor of returning our country to its rightful roots.
 
[quote name='camoor']Conservative xian teachers force First, Second AND Third graders to attend xian bible class. In 2005.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/02/15/school.bible.class.ap/

My VA tax dollars are now supporting the teachings of a particular religion's sacred text. Someone should get fired, but I'm sure it will get explained away as just a bunch of good ol' boys trying to protect the values of the southland.[/quote]

I don't get what you're complaining about. The children are released from school optionally to pursue religious study off school grounds. No one is being "forced" to do anything. And from that CNN article and this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27399-2005Feb15.html

no tax money is going to the program, so I don't understand that complaint either.

As for the original complaint, the teacher that tried to indoctrinate students into his or her own political viewpoint should be fired.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='camoor']Conservative xian teachers force First, Second AND Third graders to attend xian bible class. In 2005.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/02/15/school.bible.class.ap/

My VA tax dollars are now supporting the teachings of a particular religion's sacred text. Someone should get fired, but I'm sure it will get explained away as just a bunch of good ol' boys trying to protect the values of the southland.[/quote]

I don't get what you're complaining about. The children are released from school optionally to pursue religious study off school grounds. No one is being "forced" to do anything. And from that CNN article and this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27399-2005Feb15.html

no tax money is going to the program, so I don't understand that complaint either.

As for the original complaint, the teacher that tried to indoctrinate students into his or her own political viewpoint should be fired.[/quote]

How about this:

Some parents had asked the board to eliminate or modify the program, saying children who choose not to go are stigmatized and lose valuable class time.

Compassionate conservatism indeed. Why don't they just start burning the Wiccans?
 
Damn those liberals for wanting peace and to bring our boys and girls back home to their families! Damn them!

WTF is Mercury News and Wavy?
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='camoor']Conservative xian teachers force First, Second AND Third graders to attend xian bible class. In 2005.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/02/15/school.bible.class.ap/

My VA tax dollars are now supporting the teachings of a particular religion's sacred text. Someone should get fired, but I'm sure it will get explained away as just a bunch of good ol' boys trying to protect the values of the southland.[/quote]

I don't get what you're complaining about. The children are released from school optionally to pursue religious study off school grounds. No one is being "forced" to do anything. And from that CNN article and this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27399-2005Feb15.html

no tax money is going to the program, so I don't understand that complaint either.

As for the original complaint, the teacher that tried to indoctrinate students into his or her own political viewpoint should be fired.[/quote]

How about this:

Some parents had asked the board to eliminate or modify the program, saying children who choose not to go are stigmatized and lose valuable class time.

Compassionate conservatism indeed. Why don't they just start burning the Wiccans?[/quote]

I don't agree they should interupt class time for what's essentially bible school, but that still doesn't back up your prior statement, it's still wrong on both accounts. And they don't lose anymore classtime than the other students from what I can tell. I don't even know where the Wiccans comment is based, unless you just wanted to change the subject.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='camoor']Conservative xian teachers force First, Second AND Third graders to attend xian bible class. In 2005.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/02/15/school.bible.class.ap/

My VA tax dollars are now supporting the teachings of a particular religion's sacred text. Someone should get fired, but I'm sure it will get explained away as just a bunch of good ol' boys trying to protect the values of the southland.[/quote]

I don't get what you're complaining about. The children are released from school optionally to pursue religious study off school grounds. No one is being "forced" to do anything. And from that CNN article and this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27399-2005Feb15.html

no tax money is going to the program, so I don't understand that complaint either.

As for the original complaint, the teacher that tried to indoctrinate students into his or her own political viewpoint should be fired.[/quote]

How about this:

Some parents had asked the board to eliminate or modify the program, saying children who choose not to go are stigmatized and lose valuable class time.

Compassionate conservatism indeed. Why don't they just start burning the Wiccans?[/quote]

I don't agree they should interupt class time for what's essentially bible school, but that still doesn't back up your prior statement, it's still wrong on both accounts. And they don't lose anymore classtime than the other students from what I can tell. I don't even know where the Wiccans comment is based, unless you just wanted to change the subject.[/quote]

So the kids who don't go with the rest of the class on the Jesus field trip are ostracized. That's not an America I want to be a part of.

And the tax dollars that I paid for teacher's salaries are essentially going to waste for the 2-3 hours that this bible study takes.

I was only trying to show SK that every "sky is falling" press release about liberals refusing to teach revisionist xian American history can be countered with a sobering news report of innocents being bussed to bible boot camp for their weekly dose of brain-washing.
 
I love how you keep calling American history "revisionist Xian" history.

I guess I should make up a name for what idiots like you are doing - who try to erase God from the history books.

I mean the fact that you keep labeling the reality that this country was founded on religious principles in an effort to make it look untrue is hilarious.
 
I mean the fact that you keep labeling the reality that this country was founded on religious principles in an effort to make it look untrue is hilarious.

Hey Scrub do you know what religion many of the founding fathers practiced?
 
[quote name='Msut77']I mean the fact that you keep labeling the reality that this country was founded on religious principles in an effort to make it look untrue is hilarious.

Hey Scrub do you know what religion many of the founding fathers practiced?[/quote]

Or the athiests history books have tried to portray as god fearing christains?
 
Skrubbking clutched his buck knife and etched another notch in the hanging strop kept on the bedpost closest to his heart. "got 'em again," he thought to himself. He went to his desk to add a new victim to the list of sinners. "Hellfire" topped the page as he scanned the dictum of the damned. His eyes reached the end and he began to scrawl the letters of the new found enemy "n....e....o....p....o....," WAIT! He paused, dropping the pen and wisking the mouse in a single swoop. Deciding to review before passing final judgement, he clicked the back button twice. Then he re-read:

...Let's abolish the whole thing, and ignore the democratic socialist party and the republican socialist party in favor of returning our country to its rightful roots...

Is that really sarcasm or is there a genuineness to this newcomer's gesture ? He wasn't sure anymore. He left the name unfinished...just in case. There was always time for redemption...........and Satan wasn't going anywhere, anyway.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I love how you keep calling American history "revisionist Xian" history.

I guess I should make up a name for what idiots like you are doing - who try to erase God from the history books.

I mean the fact that you keep labeling the reality that this country was founded on religious principles in an effort to make it look untrue is hilarious.[/quote]

No - only your history is called "revisionist xian" history.

My American history is written in textbooks and reencted in Colonial Williamsburg.

Your American history can only be found in pamphlets slipped to elementary school children when noone is looking, and websites where like-minded individuals congregate to further their claims of manifest destiny and gold plates handed down from angels on high to the first American frontiersmen.
 
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the laws of nature
and of nature's God
entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,


that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in general Congress assembled,
appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliance, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance
on the protection

of Divine Providence,
we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

The thought that you would love to erase all of the above and that you are helpless to do so is marvelous. :rofl:
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the laws of nature
and of nature's God
entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,


that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in general Congress assembled,
appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliance, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance
on the protection

of Divine Providence,
we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

The thought that you would love to erase all of the above and that you are helpless to do so is marvelous. :rofl:[/quote]

You know it's funny I don't see the word Christ written in there once. :whistle2:k
 
You know really Scrub, you're a perfect human being and I never really realized it. I mean you realize without a second thought our Founding Fathers were righteous, GOD fearing men! You never thought once that putting in God in documents was the fashion of the day as well as going to Church.
Maybe I should shut up and let you have your way and HURD me into Church then when I say this is crap you can burn me and hear me scream just like all you "good" Christians would...Oh! and guess what?! I'm sure Jesus would join me. Oh wait, I wouldn't give you the satisfaction of screaming you bleeding heart Convervative aka as a wannabe Martyr, see the word DELUSIONAL here.
I can go into how men LOVED to use the Bible to put women in their place. As far as I'm concerned anywhere in the Bible that degrades women in terms of their status to men should be thrown out. Of course these parts were written because scumbag men knew they could convince women of this, take advantage of their more emotional side. Just remember this will only last so long. I hope for the day when men like Rush Limbaugh are thrown in cages or just made the housewives and see how it feels.
Sorry ya'll just venting there and yes I'm a man that shit just pisses me off. A FEW good things came out of the Bible, one being Jesus and some other things.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the laws of nature
and of nature's God
entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,


that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in general Congress assembled,
appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliance, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance
on the protection

of Divine Providence,
we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

The thought that you would love to erase all of the above and that you are helpless to do so is marvelous. :rofl:[/quote]

Hmm,

The Creator

Nature's God

Supreme Judge of the world

NOT

Jehovah

Yahweh

Jesus Christ

Holy Spirit

Are you beginning to see the big picture?

If you pull out a dollar bill (designed by the founding fathers), look at the back. I don't see a cross, I don't see an angel, and I don't see a Jesus Christ walking on water, but I do see a paraphrased quote from the Aeneid (the sacred text of the Ancient Romans, the people who ruled the province in which Jesus Christ was killed) and the Eye of Horus atop an Ancient Egyptian pyramid, pagan symbols.

The US has a democratic government - a system of government based on ideas first put forth by the Ancient Athenians over 2000 years ago. Not the xian monarchies of Feudal Europe, or the imperial governments of the Holy Roman Emperors. The fact is that the founders choose the best governmental system, regardless of which religion it had previously been associated with.

In official documents, the founders always talk about their monotheism in terms more similar to Aristotle then Thomas Aquinas, (IE Aristotle's concept of an "unmoved mover" who created everything - sounds similar to phrases like "the Creator")

And as the previous poster said, I do not see Jesus Christ's name mentioned once. Pretty big omission if the founding fathers were trying to setup a government interwoven with xian values.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='camoor']Conservative xian teachers force First, Second AND Third graders to attend xian bible class. In 2005.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/02/15/school.bible.class.ap/

My VA tax dollars are now supporting the teachings of a particular religion's sacred text. Someone should get fired, but I'm sure it will get explained away as just a bunch of good ol' boys trying to protect the values of the southland.[/quote]

I don't get what you're complaining about. The children are released from school optionally to pursue religious study off school grounds. No one is being "forced" to do anything. And from that CNN article and this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27399-2005Feb15.html

no tax money is going to the program, so I don't understand that complaint either.

As for the original complaint, the teacher that tried to indoctrinate students into his or her own political viewpoint should be fired.[/quote]

How about this:

Some parents had asked the board to eliminate or modify the program, saying children who choose not to go are stigmatized and lose valuable class time.

Compassionate conservatism indeed. Why don't they just start burning the Wiccans?[/quote]

If you read further in the article, it says that the parents who complained are now satisfied because they (rightly) implemented a program to use that time. Obviously no one should be penalized, for example by not being able to do anything with the time, by not going to such a class. From the stories it seems everything worked out for the best, so long as they actually make an effort to provide opportunites other than religious study for those kids who don't go off for that.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='Scrubking']
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station
to which the laws of nature
and of nature's God
entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,


that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in general Congress assembled,
appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliance, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm reliance
on the protection

of Divine Providence,
we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

The thought that you would love to erase all of the above and that you are helpless to do so is marvelous. :rofl:[/quote]

Hmm,

The Creator

Nature's God

Supreme Judge of the world

NOT

Jehovah

Yahweh

Jesus Christ

Holy Spirit [/quote]

Many of the founding fathers were not christian, not atheists (I don't think there was a single atheist among them), but deists. Natures god, creator, those are the ways a deist refers to god. Scrub, you are interperating the words as being christian, when nothing explicitly refers to christianity. They refer to a god, a higher being, nothing more.
 
The best part of all this is how I never said they where christians. I said they where religios, but I can't expect too much from you morons.

[quote name='Scrubking who is always right']I mean the fact that you keep labeling the reality that this country was founded on religious principles in an effort to make it look untrue is hilarious.[/quote]
 
Well Scrub you are essentially making the argument this a Christian Nation, it wasnt founded on religious principles at all and if the Founding Fathers existed today
assorted fundies would not like their religion.

Deists didnt believe in Jesus's divinty and called God the "Divine Architect". They were not part of the Faith Based Communoity.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']The best part of all this is how I never said they where christians. I said they where religios, but I can't expect too much from you morons.[/quote]

and earlier

[quote name='Scrubking']I love how you keep calling American history "revisionist xian" history. [/quote]

In truth though, I'm really glad you made that last post about American history being religious, not xian. I'm going to quote you next time you're whining about some white xian teacher who's trying to force the "salvation of Jesus Christ" onto the muslim, hindu, buddhist, athiest, etc kids in his classroom.

*EDIT had to fix up a scrubking quote. The guy quotes himself as "scrubking is always right". He's almost correct - SK is so far to the religious right he makes Tomás de Torquemada look like a bleeding heart liberal.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']You know it's funny I don't see the word Christ written in there once. :whistle2:k[/quote]

When referring to "God," "Creator," "Supreme Judge of the World" did you think they were referring to Judge Judy? :lol:
 
[quote name='Ruined'][quote name='zionoverfire']You know it's funny I don't see the word Christ written in there once. :whistle2:k[/quote]

When referring to "God," "Creator," "Supreme Judge of the World" did you think they were referring to Judge Judy? :lol:[/quote]

:imwithst:
 
The Narrator's Apprentice said:
Skrubbking clutched his buck knife and etched another notch in the hanging strop kept on the bedpost closest to his heart. "got 'em again," he thought to himself. He went to his desk to add a new victim to the list of sinners. "Hellfire" topped the page as he scanned the dictum of the damned. His eyes reached the end and he began to scrawl the letters of the new found enemy "n....e....o....p....o....," WAIT! He paused, dropping the pen and wisking the mouse in a single swoop. Deciding to review before passing final judgement, he clicked the back button twice. Then he re-read:

...Let's abolish the whole thing, and ignore the democratic socialist party and the republican socialist party in favor of returning our country to its rightful roots...

Is that really sarcasm or is there a genuineness to this newcomer's gesture ? He wasn't sure anymore. He left the name unfinished...just in case. There was always time for redemption...........and Satan wasn't going anywhere, anyway.

You're back! Thought you disappeared...
 
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