Louisianna killed their own people

Does it also mention that it probably wasn't safe to go in right after the levies broke? I'm sure there is more to it then just wanting people to leave.
 
[quote name='zewone']Believing anything posted on Rush's site = stupid.[/QUOTE]

well It was the only place I could find the whole story...It was on Fox News which I saw and they said it was on the Red-cross website which I dont have time to look for.....If you didnt see the interview on Fox then you missed him explain the real problem. Stupid people cant call others stupid BTW so dont unless you have something worthwhile to add.
 
[quote name='lowgear26']well It was the only place I could find the whole story...It was on Fox News which I saw and they said it was on the Red-cross website which I dont have time to look for.....If you didnt see the interview on Fox then you missed him explain the real problem. Stupid people cant call others stupid BTW so dont unless you have something worthwhile to add.[/QUOTE]
I'll post whatever I want, dick.
 
[quote name='lowgear26']http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_090805/content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html

I'll just summarize real quick......It basically says the Red-cross tried to go into New Orleans with Food and Water right after the levies broke and the State told them no.....they wanted people to leave not give them a reason to stay........Just a thought for those who Blame Bush.[/QUOTE]


how can a state kill someone .. did the ground come alive and start eating people.. wonder what kind of drugs they were on if they thought the state was talking to them and told them no....
 
[quote name='greendc27']Does it also mention that it probably wasn't safe to go in right after the levies broke? I'm sure there is more to it then just wanting people to leave.[/QUOTE]

maybe true but my whole point is that people blame Bush and FEMA while the Red-Cross said the State denied them access at all.....so people dying of lack of food and water is the fault of the State.
 
[quote name='lowgear26']maybe true but my whole point is that people blame Bush and FEMA while the Red-Cross said the State denied them access at all.....so people dying of lack of food and water is the fault of the State.[/QUOTE]

Passing the buck again I see.:lol:
 
[quote name='organicow']Wow. You're referencing Rush AND you misspelled the state's name. U R Winnr!!!!

EDIT: ...AND Fox News!![/QUOTE]

wow and thank you captain grammar and spelling man......thank you for saving the day......what would I do without your genius mind and proofreading powers
 
First of all, just getting your news sources from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh pretty much shows your political leanings...

Second, there's a lot of blame to go around for this, city and state included, but when THREE states are involved, it becomes a national crisis and a federal goverment responsibility. There's a FEMA memo that has surfaced from last year where one FEMA employee is complaining about qualified workers being replaced with those being owed political favors. "It's only FEMA, they can't possibly screw up anything in that department." Right.

marc
 
[quote name='mcmarc']First of all, just getting your news sources from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh pretty much shows your political leanings...

Second, there's a lot of blame to go around for this, city and state included, but when THREE states are involved, it becomes a national crisis and a federal goverment responsibility. There's a FEMA memo that has surfaced from last year where one FEMA employee is complaining about qualified workers being replaced with those being owed political favors. "It's only FEMA, they can't possibly screw up anything in that department." Right.

marc[/QUOTE]

Man all I said was the Red-cross Reps said to Major Garrett on an interview that the State leadership denied the Red-Cross access to the city.....I only used the Rush Limbaugh so people would know what he said in an interview with Fox News......I have no political affiliation and I dont give a fuck if people want to think that....just sharing the info...if you dont believe it then la-de-friggin-da have a nice day.
 
[quote name='The Cheapest Ass Gamer']That your prior posts make you look like an asshole.[/QUOTE]

well I see then you have found me brother......I could play that game too and say that when you tell someone they posted in the wrong forum that your an asshole. Oh wait I just did.
 
Cmon guys, focus.

I dont think stopping the Red Cross is going to help, the drive them out tactic will only make things worse.
 
[quote name='lowgear26']Man all I said was the Red-cross Rep...Major Garrett said on an interview that the State leadership denied the Red-Cross access to the city.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this would appear to be the case. A quote from the Red Cross website (a flagrant typo on the Red Cross website! D'oh! ...well, they're under a lot of pressure right now, I guess):




  • Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
  • The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
*******
Therefore, the situation has been clarified, to some extent: Louisiana state authorities could not evacuate everyone. Their primary concern was to get those who could leave to do so before the storm struck, and then to evacuate the remaining population as soon as possible, thereafter.

The problem, then, is that resources to support the second evacuation were not available. Providing food, water, and shelter/clothing might seem intuitive to the general public, but local authorities saw this as simply fueling a subsequent epidemic (as flooded conditions gave rise to disease, toxic exposure, etc.) Try to avoid falling for superficial details: giving a flood victim a cup of hot soup makes for a great photo op, but the big picture is simple: how to save lives in peril after the storm passed. Not save them for a day. Save them for real. Of course, it would have been good to save folks stranded in the astrodome (is it astrodome or superdome?) from dehydration and starvation, but this is a difficult call to make when you're dealing with thousands of people. If you think about the local authorities' position for a second, their concerns had some legitimacy.

They saw evacuation as the only real solution, and feared that setting up a huge relief shelter in the astrodome would seriously undermine more effective efforts. Would it have been better to send in the Red Cross with short-term supplies until the national guard arrived? Tough call. The wrong one could well land thousands of additional deaths onto your shoulders. What would have been ideal? The national guard and Red Cross having BOTH stood ready to march in and maintain order during a well-supplied and well-enforced "second" evacuation. But only 1 of the 2 were there, and so the options were sharply limited.


[edit: ...Lowgear, the topic you've selected for this thread is melodramatic, but misleading. Saying that Louisiana "refused Red Cross assistance" would be technically true, and somewhat less misleading (while maintaining some shock value.)]
 
[quote name='RBM']Yes, this would appear to be the case. A quote from the Red Cross website (a flagrant typo on the Red Cross website! D'oh! ...well, they're under a lot of pressure right now, I guess):




  • Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
  • The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
*******
Therefore, the situation has been clarified, to some extent: Louisiana state authorities could not evacuate everyone. Their primary concern was to get those who could leave to do so before the storm struck, and then to evacuate the remaining population as soon as possible, thereafter.

The problem, then, is that resources to support the second evacuation were not available. Providing food, water, and shelter/clothing might seem intuitive to the general public, but local authorities saw this as simply fueling a subsequent epidemic (as flooded conditions gave rise to disease, toxic exposure, etc.) Try to avoid falling for superficial details: giving a flood victim a cup of hot soup makes for a great photo op, but the big picture is simple: how to save lives in peril after the storm passed. Not save them for a day. Save them for real. Of course, it would have been good to save folks stranded in the astrodome (is it astrodome or superdome?) from dehydration and starvation, but this is a difficult call to make when you're dealing with thousands of people. If you think about the local authorities' position for a second, their concerns had some legitimacy.

They saw evacuation as the only real solution, and feared that setting up a huge relief shelter in the astrodome would seriously undermine more effective efforts. Would it have been better to send in the Red Cross with short-term supplies until the national guard arrived? Tough call. The wrong one could well land thousands of additional deaths onto your shoulders. What would have been ideal? The national guard and Red Cross having BOTH stood ready to march in and maintain order during a well-supplied and well-enforced "second" evacuation. But only 1 of the 2 were there, and so the options were sharply limited.


[edit: ...Lowgear, the topic you've selected for this thread is melodramatic, but misleading. Saying that Louisiana "refused Red Cross assistance" would be technically true, and somewhat less misleading (while maintaining some shock value.)][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the intelligent post. It's not an easy situation. Request help and risk reliance on the Red Cross and unwillingness to leave, or avoid help to encourage evacuations? It's a real ethical problem, not what some people (i.e., Rush Limbaugh) are billing as "look, we offered help but that dumbass state doesn't want it."

EDIT: Here's the exact language from Rush's site:
So if the word spread that there's plenty of water and food, they knew it would be a magnet, so they chose instead to starve and dehydrate a bunch of people.
This is what he specializes in: taking a complex issue, simplifying it and putting it out of context, making it so it proves his biased point, and feeding it to listeners that don't feel like evaluating it critically.
 
If I remember correctly, I think yesterday the city of New Orleans police or w/e are now going around looking for people who are still there and forcing them out.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']If I remember correctly, I think yesterday the city of New Orleans police or w/e are now going around looking for people who are still there and forcing them out.[/QUOTE]

Mayor ordered it, but afterward police and others said they wouldn't forcibly evict people. At least that's what I heard on the news. They seem to be relenting a bit on the pet issue, as I saw them allow a young boy to keep his dog and a woman to take her 15 cats, both after refusing to leave without them.
 
If there had been rich white folk that needed saving you can damn well bet the federal government would have gotten involved when they should have, IMMEDIATELY!
 
[quote name='mmercer13']If there had been rich white folk that needed saving you can damn well bet the federal government would have gotten involved when they should have, IMMEDIATELY![/QUOTE] What's that I hear? I think it's fire. This place is going to be engulfed in flames in no time!

*puts up flame shields*
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']If I remember correctly, I think yesterday the city of New Orleans police or w/e are now going around looking for people who are still there and forcing them out.[/QUOTE]





September 7, 2005
Forcible Evacuations Issued Due to Threat of Disease



It may come down to forcible evacuations for those still living in the flooded city of New Orleans.

Mayor Ray Nagin is calling for everyone not involved in relief efforts to leave the city or be escorted out.

An estimated 10,000 people still exist in the city.

Concerns of E-coli in the toxic water prompted Nagin's call for the complete evacuation.

An order is being issued to officers for the forcible removal of hold-outs, primarily due to the threat of disease.


Dr. Julie Gerberding with the Centers for Disease Control says it's not safe to be in the city right now.

She says the water is one of the hazards of concern and people really to need to leave.

Dr. Gerberding also says it is not going to be possible to restore fresh water for many days.

Residents of New Orleans are now being told flood waters are so contaminated, they should even avoid skin contact.
 
[quote name='lowgear26']well It was the only place I could find the whole story...It was on Fox News which I saw and they said it was on the Red-cross website which I dont have time to look for.....If you didnt see the interview on Fox then you missed him explain the real problem. Stupid people cant call others stupid BTW so dont unless you have something worthwhile to add.[/QUOTE]


If that is the only place you can find 'the whole story' you must look at 1 website, and a bazooka joe comic for your news.
 
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