Marc Ecko: "Gamers are pissy"

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Kotaku commentator Robert Summa recently had a sit-down with fashion’s bad boy Marc Ecko. The designer has made his gaming debut with his controversial graffiti game Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure for the PS2 and the Xbox. Ecko shared his thoughts on topics ranging from its ban in Australia to the title’s mixed reviews. When comparing gaming and fashion, he says:

"If you think that the fashion industry is filled with divas, no, the worst divas are the guys who got wedgies in high school. Game divas are the worst divas than a guy reviewer in a Helmut Lang suit standing in the second row of a show. Those guys are easy compared to the pissy gamers. "

This is just a taste of Summa’s highly quotable interview with Ecko. Regardless what you think of Ecko or his game, the guy claims to be a gamer. So does Uwe Boll.


Honestly, despite the fact that I've actually played his game and found it to be a hashy-ass joke, he kind of has a point. Gamers can get pretty pissy at times. Of course, he could just be going for the straight insult because people saw through the whole "slaves to the branding" thing and honestly don't think the game is all that great. What do ye think?
 
Let’s discuss some of the reviews the game has gotten. They’ve been mixed, at best. How do you answer what critics are saying?

"I would say there are gamers that have a predisposition to have a bug up their ass for anything urban. The fact that there was a black character on the cover of this game, right away there was a dismissiveness that this was just another “GTA: San Andreas,” that’s number one. Number two, this is the end of a console cycle when there is a law of diminishing returns. The code is as polished as you can make it on a no-hard-drive console like the PS2. So, there are technical limitations that people just can’t understand. There are guys that have a predisposition to be slaves to the code, rather than be slaves to the branding, products or experience. At the end of the day, it’s going to be the consumer who decides and not whether the camera makes a difference. "

Yes Mr Ecko, there are people who are predisposed to not purchasing "Urban" games. Unfortunately for you, they didn't purchase San Andreas, but it was a massive sucess and received a lot of acclaim. I also like how he blames the buggy camera, clipping, and repetitive gameplay on "no hard drive" and people who are "slaves to code". I suggest everyone rent it to see what I mean.
 
I'm not sure what he's talking about. Could somebody explain?

Who is he complaining about, and what does he think is wrong with them?
 
He does just sound like he's crying, which is funny that he's calling gamers (or coders) diavs and then acting the part. I've heard some good things and some bad about the game, and I may play it someday. Blaming its poor showing on having a black character on the cover is just silly, because it's never stopped a single Madden title from selling ;)
 
I can see why he is mad, this game was his baby and its getting crushed so he going to attack people that hurt it. However being a business man you have to think before you speak.

So instead of coming off like a good business person. He came off like a little whiny bitch. I have no problems with him. He has a right to his opinion and I agree that gamers and nerds, sci-fi tv show fans, and comic fans in general are the most pissy people on the planet. They (we) complain about everything. They complain that shows get canceled. then when they come back they complain that its not any good or that they could be doing better.

Working in an industry with a huge number of fanboys and geeks has a very fine line. However I feel the Ecko is in the wrong no matter what you don't shit on your customers but yet he has the right to his opinion and more money then some countries need. So I don't think he gives a fuck. Good luck getting a sequel ecko.
 
[quote name='Graystone']I can see why he is mad, this game was his baby and its getting crushed so he going to attack people that hurt it. However being a business man you have to think before you speak.

So instead of coming off like a good business person. He came off like a little whiny bitch. I have no problems with him. He has a right to his opinion and I agree that gamers and nerds, sci-fi tv show fans, and comic fans in general are the most pissy people on the planet. They (we) complain about everything. They complain that shows get canceled. then when they come back they complain that its not any good or that they could be doing better.

Working in an industry with a huge number of fanboys and geeks has a very fine line. However I feel the Ecko is in the wrong no matter what you don't shit on your customers but yet he has the right to his opinion and more money then some countries need. So I don't think he gives a fuck. Good luck getting a sequel ecko.[/QUOTE]

All you need to do is look at X-Men 3 to see how pissy and whiney comic book geeks can get. That doesn't even get me started on the whole marvel vs. DC thing...
 
It’s really hard for me to accept the premise of an “anti-branding” game concept from Marc muthafucking Ecko. If I see that gaudy-assed rhino emblazoned across one more oversized sweatshirt I may vomit.

:puke:
 
Geeks in general are pretty "pissy" all around. I havent played the game, but before the game even came out gamers were bitchin. I really dont see that much different from Jet Set Radio, but okay.
 
His entire career has been based on branding ordinary clothes with his name/logo, and then overcharging for them. fuck that bitch.
 
See the thing is he's mad because gamer's talked about how bad the game would be even before much information was released about. I can understand his complaint about gamer's being pissy from that aspect.

BUT He has to understand that the game using his name was a blatant attempt to make people think it was some kind of extension of his clothing. Really, what the fuck does tagging have to do with a clothing line?

What's in a name? In the entertainment industry, a lot.
 
I find it funny that he is now spitting on the same crowd that would be buying the game. He makes it seem like it is our fault that the game is mediocre. To me, he is the worst at selling a image and brand (you could say Russel Simmons is, but atleast he is upfront about it). How many "so-called celebrities" have you seen schill his products?
 
If anything, this thread is proving him right.

Just because his name is on it..

Just because it's "urban..."

doesn't make it a bad game. In fact, it's a damned fine title. However, as this thread has proven, a lot of you are passing it off because of his name. It never once appears in the game aside from the titles, yet apparently, a lot of you haven't played it and have no desire to.

That's just flat out depressing. It's not a classic game, and the fighting is sloppy, but it's a fun video game. Tagging is enjoyable, the mechanics are well done, and there are plenty of proper game design decisions (no collecting, thank god). Sadly, a lot of people seem to have made up their mind before they played or only picked it up for a few minutes.

That's exactly who Ecko is reffering to. I don't like the guy either, but that should never cloud anyone's judgement about a video game.
 
Btw, is it even "fashion" when you get bulk shipments of plain t-shirts from China or wherever and put a generic stenciled rhino on it? I was under the impression that fashion was at least cutting clothes to design them into something. Yeah.
 
Any game with someone's name in front of it (such as "Mark Ecko's" or "American McGee's") automatically turns me off. It just sounds so damn pretentious.
 
I just got the latest issue of Stuff (I get it for free, thanks to CAG) and noticed Marc Ecko is their Gaming Editor. In the appropriately-titled Hype section, he reviews games that aren't released and haven't even been gone gold yet. This month he reviews The Godfather (5 stars), Timeshift (4 stars), Samurai Champloo (3 stars) and NBA Ballers: Phenom (3 stars).
 
[quote name='radjago']I just got the latest issue of Stuff (I get it for free, thanks to CAG) and noticed Marc Ecko is their Gaming Editor. In the appropriately-titled Hype section, he reviews games that aren't released and haven't even been gone gold yet. This month he reviews The Godfather (5 stars), Timeshift (4 stars), Samurai Champloo (3 stars) and NBA Ballers: Phenom (3 stars).[/QUOTE]


"Reviews" in Maxim, Stuff, FHM, Blender, etc. are actually what you would call a "preview" in any other gaming magazine. They review the game based on hype, its really asinine.
 
look its not my fault im not into the whole "urban" trend in gaming right now. Its one of the many things that dont appeal to me and even more so annoy me. And you know what else there are plenty of great games out there that i will never play... the reason is simple THEY DONT APPEAL TO ME. Some people love fighters (ex. Tekken) i for one do not like play them. Has nothing to do with the game or what its about. It basically just boils down to the fact i dont enjoy playing them.

Its an urban graffiti game, honestly how many people does that appeal to? Its marketed to a certain demographic, so when/if it doesnt sell its because you went after a niche segment in the gaming community and not to the majority. People are spending THEIR money for the product so when it comes down to trying a game that has a possiblility to be cool or a different game that you know you're gonna like. Which one are you going to pick everytime? Off the top of my head i can think of numerous games this generation that sold for shit but were excellent games. So Mark can make up as many excuses as he wants but it basically boils down to the fact that its a game that doesnt appeal to the majority of gamers. Plus to the mainstream gamer it probably gets lost in the shuffle with all the other urban themed games on the market right now.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Any game with someone's name in front of it (such as "Mark Ecko's" or "American McGee's") automatically turns me off. It just sounds so damn pretentious.[/QUOTE]

It's also hard to say which is worse -- buying a game endorsed by somebody behind a clothing line for thugs or buying a game created by somebody with the audacity to be named American McGee.
 
Just make a damn sequel based off of an unusual city like Rio De Janerio or London or Hong Kong, improve the game mechanics, add a create your own graffiti mode, drop your name from the title, and put it on the next gen platforms.

Badda bing. Badda boom.
 
Children! In times of need and questions concerning the universe, you need look only to the mighty Tycho for all your answers:

Oh, and also, Mark Ecko may very well be a whackjob. Gamers have a predisposition against mediocre fucking bullshit games, that much is true.

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Aww Tycho, you never fail us!

Also Mr. Ecko, I don't know if you are aware of this yourself, but you are white.

And a fattie.
 
Since when did anyone outside of suburban whiggers care about what Marc Ecko has to say? These "pissy gamers" are also gonna make sure your game tanks, and you'll never be allowed to "make" another one again. Now get back to making ugly sweaters for Cousin Ray Ray and Lil Dwayne
 
Typical whenever a game/music/movie/entertainment outlet has a "minority" in it and it does bad it is always someone else's fault.

Mr Ecko look to what Wesley Snipes Did with Blade(The Movie not the game) good or bad it made money and had mass appeal because it was quality and at the time wasn't based on rehash subject matter.

Takeing Jet Grind Radio, modifing the graphics, takeing rollerblades off the main character and makeing him black isn't hardly an effort to take something already done and make it your own.

Actually you are perpetuating a sterotype of inner city black youths as taggers and people who destroy/deface public property.
 
Props to Strell for not sucking PA's bandwidth and posting that at ImageShack. ;)

I was reading the latest PSM and the gave this game a 8/10. And that point I releaized the price of "100% Independent": "100% Paid Off".
 
[quote name='2Fast']Any game with someone's name in front of it (such as "Mark Ecko's" or "American McGee's") automatically turns me off. It just sounds so damn pretentious.[/QUOTE]
Then why do you own four Tom Clancy games?
 
At least the whole urban hip hop rap fads are on the way out. I think of them like hair metal in the 80s, where they just got too rediculous for anybody to care about anymore, thats where rap is going. 50 cent/Yin Yang Twins/whatever=Ratt/Kip Winger/Poison.

Why am i worrying about mark ecko instead of playing burnout revenge and Ghost Recon? Why are any of us not playing something good instead of talking about something just plain terrible?
 
[quote name='jer7583']At least the whole urban hip hop rap fads are on the way out.[/quote]

You think so? I don't see that.
 
[quote name='Vegan']You think so? I don't see that.[/QUOTE]

well i see a lot more backlash towards that fad. I've always thought it was dumb.
 
[23:14] Braks0r: I might get Marc Ecko's Getting Up this weekend.
[23:14] Braks0r: I loved the mechanics of that Indiana Jones game the same guys made.
[23:15] Zeiganfreid: Listen.
[23:15] Zeiganfreid: No.
[23:15] Zeiganfreid: You won't.
[23:15] Zeiganfreid: Ok, I'm done.
[23:15] Braks0r: That Indiana Jones game was a blast.
[23:16] Zeiganfreid: Marc Ecko
[23:16] Zeiganfreid: is the KFC
[23:16] Zeiganfreid: of the gaming world.
[23:16] Braks0r: No, he isn't. He has one game. :eek:
[23:17] Braks0r: I imagine the game idea he pitched was nothing like the final product.
[23:17] Braks0r: The makers took a shitty ball and ran with it.
[23:17] Zeiganfreid: He probably wanted the main character to look like him
[23:17] Zeiganfreid: But they couldn't find a white enough white.
[23:21] Braks0r: Marc Ecko was right, oddly.
[23:21] Braks0r: Gamers are the most bitchy little shits... ever.
[23:21] Zeiganfreid: What if there were more girl gamers
[23:21] Braks0r: Oh, God...
[23:21] Zeiganfreid: the level of bitch could level the galaxy
 
Urban games turn me off because they generally come from rich white people than want to get into kids pockets by pretending to be 'hip' and 'down with the plights of growing up black in the inner cities'.

This bothers me for two reasons. One- I've never been an under priveleged minority in an urban environment. Two- Neither has anyone that makes this asinine shit.
 
[quote name='gamereviewgod']If anything, this thread is proving him right.

Just because his name is on it..

Just because it's "urban..."

doesn't make it a bad game. In fact, it's a damned fine title. However, as this thread has proven, a lot of you are passing it off because of his name. It never once appears in the game aside from the titles, yet apparently, a lot of you haven't played it and have no desire to.

That's just flat out depressing. It's not a classic game, and the fighting is sloppy, but it's a fun video game. Tagging is enjoyable, the mechanics are well done, and there are plenty of proper game design decisions (no collecting, thank god). Sadly, a lot of people seem to have made up their mind before they played or only picked it up for a few minutes.

That's exactly who Ecko is reffering to. I don't like the guy either, but that should never cloud anyone's judgement about a video game.[/QUOTE]

This guy is right. You guys are the bitches. Not Marc with a "C".
 
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