Maybe PAD was right about Ray Nagin

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A nutjob "God is mad at us" statement NOT from Pat Roberston?

NEW ORLEANS - Mayor Ray Nagin suggested Monday that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita and other storms were a sign that "God is mad at America" and at black communities, too, for tearing themselves apart with violence and political infighting.

"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin, who is black, said as he and other city leaders marked Martin Luther King Day.

"Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."
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meanwhile. God had no comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060116/ap_on_re_us/katrina_nagin
 
Well, it's not news to anyone that a great majority of southern blacks are christian. So, similarly, it should come as no surprise that a member of a heavily christian population is a fruitcake.

Also, considering the long-legendary history of Louisiana politics, (though I do have my sentiments for Huey Long), this shouldn't be a surprise either.

What would be a surprise is for a republican to place some blame where it belongs. You're just providing fodder for them to ignore the fury-inspiring job done by the Bush Administration, DHS, and FEMA.
 
I think there's a key difference between Pat's statements and Nagin's - that difference is the one between us and them. Pat is quite fond of condemning anyone and everyone who dares to disagree with him to hell, and constantly uses everyone who does something he doesn't like as a scapegoat on which to blame anything bad that happens. 9/11 was the fault of feminists and gays, Sharon has a stroke because he divided Israel, and Chavez should be killed because - well, I'm not too clear on that one. He won't let Pat's buddies make money on oil or something.

Nagin's statements, though, are a lot more personal. He uses the word 'us' a lot instead of Pat's favorite word, 'them'. That is, if God IS mad, he's willing to accept his share of the blame instead of trying to pass the buck to someone else. Ultimately, I find that a lot more palatable than Pat's rants.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I think there's a key difference between Pat's statements and Nagin's - that difference is the one between us and them. Pat is quite fond of condemning anyone and everyone who dares to disagree with him to hell, and constantly uses everyone who does something he doesn't like as a scapegoat on which to blame anything bad that happens. 9/11 was the fault of feminists and gays, Sharon has a stroke because he divided Israel, and Chavez should be killed because - well, I'm not too clear on that one. He won't let Pat's buddies make money on oil or something.

Nagin's statements, though, are a lot more personal. He uses the word 'us' a lot instead of Pat's favorite word, 'them'. That is, if God IS mad, he's willing to accept his share of the blame instead of trying to pass the buck to someone else. Ultimately, I find that a lot more palatable than Pat's rants.[/QUOTE]

I don't find his statement any more palatable, but I do see your point.

I'm trying to imagine the response to the question "has God ever been mad at you?" people like Robertson or James Dobson might provide.

"Well, there was this time I lusted over an english muffin that wasn't on my plate..."
 
Gee, and I thought this was going to be a race baiting thread. Oh well, since it's not yet, let's start with Nagins comments yesterday:

"I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day," Nagin said in a Martin Luther King Jr. Day speech. "This city will be a majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be."
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This guy is a complete nutjob.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Gee, and I thought this was going to be a race baiting thread. Oh well, since it's not yet, let's start with Nagins comments yesterday:



This guy is a complete nutjob.[/QUOTE]

Yup, this is racism in it's purest, simplest and most hateful form.

If someone said "I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be white at the end of the day" then his/her political career would be over before they stepped off the podium.
 
CNN seems to be honing in on his use of the phrase "Chocolate city." While most may know it as a Parliament song, it's also a phrase used to descrive racial/residential segregation: "Chocolate cities and vanilla suburbs." It's not that caustic a phrase.

Now, using it as something to aspire towards (segregation) is appalling, and Nagin just ended his career, if he hadn't done so around Katrina.

But the terminology isn't disputed for any racist phrasing; calling it "coontown," or something similar might, but "chocolate city" hasn't carried racist overtones in the same sense.
 
But it's just as bad as Wal-Mart's website. When you searched for prominent African-American dvds on black leaders, it listed "We'd thought you'd also be interested in..." titles. Some were "Planet of the Apes" and "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". Wal-Mart claims to be "heart-broken" about this. Yeah, their record on discrimination was spotless until this. :roll:
 
I took the "chocolate city" comment in the George Clinton way, so that doesn't offend me. I just don't think his comments were that bright at this time. His critics will use them to attack him which doesn't help New Orleans.

Rudy Giuliani has the good sense to stop attacking silly art projects after 9/11 and look how popular he got.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']CNN seems to be honing in on his use of the phrase "Chocolate city." While most may know it as a Parliament song, it's also a phrase used to descrive racial/residential segregation: "Chocolate cities and vanilla suburbs." It's not that caustic a phrase.

Now, using it as something to aspire towards (segregation) is appalling, and Nagin just ended his career, if he hadn't done so around Katrina.

But the terminology isn't disputed for any racist phrasing; calling it "coontown," or something similar might, but "chocolate city" hasn't carried racist overtones in the same sense.[/QUOTE]

Chris matthews did exactly that, he focused his analysis on the word "chocolate" and ascribed a neutral connotation to it, but completely left out the context of the Nagin quote and what he meant by the entire sentence. He basically dismissed any negative reaction to it becuase "chocolate" wasn't an offensive term.

You might as well say "I hate white people" and believe nothing's bad about that statement becuase "white" isn't a derrogatory term.
 
Nagin is an overt racist and a buffoon. I believe the election is in April and New Orleans desperately needs new, competent leadership.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Chris matthews did exactly that, he focused his analysis on the word "chocolate" and ascribed a neutral connotation to it, but completely left out the context of the Nagin quote and what he meant by the entire sentence. He basically dismissed any negative reaction to it becuase "chocolate" wasn't an offensive term.

You might as well say "I hate white people" and believe nothing's bad about that statement becuase "white" isn't a derrogatory term.[/QUOTE]
Dunno if you're disagreeing with me or not, but what you're saying appears to be consistent with what I've said.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Dunno if you're disagreeing with me or not, but what you're saying appears to be consistent with what I've said.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I was agreeing with you. Just elaborating for effect.

I'd have a lot more respect for Nagin if just kept his mouth shut and did his job. Apparently hew can't do either very well. Maybe that's why God is angry at him and sent a hurricane to take him out.
 
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