McChrystal mocks Obama & other admin. officials

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The Rolling Stone article is a broad assessment of General Stanley McChrystal's strategy in Afghanistan and hisan assessment of his critics.It describes how, even though the general voted for Barack Obama, the two failed to connect. McChrystal thought Obama looked "uncomfortable and intimidated" by the roomful of military brass at their first meeting. A second, one-onto-one encounter at the White House did not go much better.
"Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. Here's the guy who's going to run his fucking war, but he didn't seem very engaged. The boss was pretty disappointed," an aide to McChrystal told the magazine.
Later, McChrystal objected to going to an official Nato dinner in Paris: "I'd rather have my ass kicked by a roomful of people than go out to this dinner." One of the aides was asked by Rolling Stone who the dinner was with. "Some French minister," he replied. "It's fucking gay."
The article describes the behaviour of McChrystal and his aides, who call themselves Team America, at an Irish bar in Parisare were reportedly drunk, while two officers did an Irish jig, mixed with steps from a traditional Afghan wedding dance. They were singing a slurred song about Afghanistan. McChrystal said: "I'd die for them. And they'd die for me."
An unnamed British officer is quoted as saying: "The fucking lads love Stan McChrystal. You'd be out in Somewhere, Iraq, and someone would take a knee beside you and a corporal would be like 'Who the fuck is that?' And it's fucking Stan McChrystal."
The article relates the story of a 25-year-old staff sergeant, Israel Arroyo, who sent an email to McChrystal from the front line in Afghanistan: "I am writing because it was said you don't care about the troops and have made it harder to defend ourselves".
The general replied within hours: "I'm saddened by accusations that I don't care about soldiers, as it is something I suspect any soldier takes both personally and professionally – at least I do. But I know perceptions depend upon your perspective at the time, and I respect that every soldier's view is his own".
McChrystal then turned up at Arroyo's base and went on foot patrol with him in an attempt to understand what the soldier meant.
During a later visit to the same forward base after a soldier is killed, another soldier said to McChrystal: "Sir, some of the guys here, sir, think we're losing, sir."
The general tried to explain his counter-insurgency strategy but afterwards said he did not think it had been been persuasive.
"This is the philosophical part that works with thinktanks. But it doesn't get the same reception from infantry companies," he said.
A senior aide to McChrystal said that the war would be even more unpopular with Americans if they thought about it: "If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it would become even less popular."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/22/obama-general-stanley-mccrystal-afghanistan

Thoughts? Should McChrystal be fired, or should he stay?
 
Here's the full Rolling Stone article.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236


As for what should happen, it's tough. From reading the RS piece, a long piece in the Washington Post etc.--it seems he's doing a reasonable job over there.

But at the same time, the Chain of Command is important and it's hard to just shrug off insubordination without the top leadership looking weak.
 
Few gems from the above link:

Later, McChrystal objected to going to an official Nato dinner in Paris: "I'd rather have my ass kicked by a roomful of people than go out to this dinner." One of the aides was asked by Rolling Stone who the dinner was with. "Some French minister," he replied. "It's fucking gay."
fucking gay indeed.:roll: If I didn't know better I'd think this "aide" was an adolescent boy.

The article describes the behaviour of McChrystal and his aides, who call themselves Team America, at an Irish bar in Parisare were reportedly drunk, while two officers did an Irish jig, mixed with steps from a traditional Afghan wedding dance. They were singing a slurred song about Afghanistan. McChrystal said: "I'd die for them. And they'd die for me."
Team America? Do I even have to post the youtube link?
A senior aide to McChrystal said that the war would be even more unpopular with Americans if they thought about it: "If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it would become even less popular."
Well I can agree with that at least.
 
[quote name='62t']McChrystal has offered to resign.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978320834

The problem is who are you going to chose to replace him?[/QUOTE]

He was just in charge of black ops or something smaller before--so it's not likely he was super uniquely qualified with a long line of managing wars etc.

Point being, I'm sure there are plenty of well qualified people in the military branches to step in. Maybe have Petraeus be more hands on there until a replacement is in place etc.
 
Is it just me or is this the kiss of death to be saying this in the media during a war that is already going terribly wrong? Fire his ass.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']He was just in charge of black ops or something smaller before--so it's not likely he was super uniquely qualified with a long line of managing wars etc.

Point being, I'm sure there are plenty of well qualified people in the military branches to step in. Maybe have Petraeus be more hands on there until a replacement is in place etc.[/QUOTE]

But with the withdrawal date so close would that be such a good idea? I don't know how much this would set us back.
 
There's not a snowball's chance in hell of making that withdrawal anyway, unless the administration is fine with with the government collapsing and it instantly being a haven for the Taliban and Al Qaeda again.
 
He and every one of his aides should be fired. They're lucky they're big shit officers. Regular enlisted saying shit like that in a way that got media attention would have rank taken and be thrown out on their ass. These guys will retire with a near six figure check every year from Uncle Sam.

There's plenty of talent in the top echelons of military command to take over. Military leadership training isn't something America skimps on for its top officers. There is a pool of generals that are let go every single year because they get passed over for a single promotion or coveted command, which at that stage of their career is a death warrant.

When the Wall Street Journal runs an ultra neocon opinion that says he needs to be fired, you know shit's outta control.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704853404575322800914018876.html
 
This is a way bigger story then most people realize.

Was I the only one who felt a small chill the first time the story broke. The way my local news teased it, it sounded a lot more ominous.
 
It is a huge story as it suggests tension between the military leadership and the administration which is never a good thing. Especially not with two wars on going, and reasonable chances of problems with Iran, North Korea etc. emerging during this administration (especially if it gets as 2nd term).
 
[quote name='camoor']This is a way bigger story then most people realize.

Was I the only one who felt a small chill the first time the story broke. The way my local news teased it, it sounded a lot more ominous.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the guy was drunk or something.

Still bad but it would explain it.
 
I post what everybody is thinking, but I'll do it in such a way so that everybody thinks it's crazy.

McChrystal is Bush II Redux.

From what little bit is posted here, he comes off as a rootin', tootin', galootin' cowboy. He's called that uppity $$$$er usurper president ignorant.

Now, let's get on our tinfoil hats.

Our dear general will be going into politics in the near future.

I'm sure he is too late to be registered on the ballot, but I'm sure he can be appointed after the election after somebody like McCain succumbs to teh old.

http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Gen._Stanley_A._McChrystal

"Hometown: N/A"

Cool, huh? He can claim any state as residence.

Anyways, a depowered Obama is going to have a shitty time getting reelected.

Greece is going belly up and taking the EU with them this summer. Try to act surprised when it happens. So long economic recovery.

That oil well? You know, the well casing is compromised. Tar balls a few days out from Cuba. Once it hits the Eastern seaboard or the mouth of the Thames, even those in the back row of the classroom will get it. Oh, yeah. If a methane cloud leaks out, I hope I'm still west of the Rockies.

Anyways, you have a military man getting legislative experience and pointing out how shitty Afghanistan has become since he got caught telling the truth.

During the 2012 election, somebody legit might publish what right wing talk radio has been blathering about for the past five years.

Then, everybody goes to vote. Do you vote for the worst president so far or the guy who called him out?

Ok, everybody, take off your tinfoil hats and go back to post vaguely about how big a deal this is.
 
I dunno, if you read the part in Jonathan Alter's book 'The Promise' that describes the leadup to Obama's Afghanistan decision, you'd come away concluding that McChrystal just did what the Pentagon told him to do.

He's not very good at the politics of this because he speaks his mind.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']just gotta say that I personally loved reading that article.[/QUOTE]

Me too. I thought it would still be a good article even if they take out the insults to obama administration .
 
[quote name='Clak']Afterward someone was overheard saying "that's fucking gay."[/QUOTE]

I thought they said "That's f'ing retarded"... ;)

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Our dear general will be going into politics in the near future.[/quote]

Possible - but I haven't really heard much of anyone defending him in this situation. I've heard/read people say they agree with him - but the vast majority, on both sides of the aisle - seem to agree what he did was waaay over the line.

Anyways, a depowered Obama is going to have a shitty time getting reelected.

Oh, perchance to dream...
 
[quote name='UncleBob'] Oh, perchance to dream...[/QUOTE]

Obama could always win reelection, but you have to wonder what his platform will be or the achievements he'll tout.

Will he repeal the Bush offenses on our liberties?

He hasn't so far.

Will the economy be recovered?

Not likely. They just started taking the housing market on life support, but a few countries in the EU defaulting combined with the economy of the Gulf states being destroyed will put us back in the crapper.

Will health care be fixed?

You and several others have pointed out most of the bill doesn't go in effect for years.
 
He can't directly do a lot about the latter 2, 1 he could do, but I wouldn't expect him or probably anyone else to actually do it. The guy has a lot going on that he can't directly change, yet he'll be blamed for not doing more anyway.
 
McChrystal sounds like a great general to serve under but a nightmare to command. I'm sure the Joint Chiefs shit bricks when they heard their most senior leader in the area was on foot patrol just to prove that he loves the troops.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Obama could always win reelection, but you have to wonder what his platform will be or the achievements he'll tout.

Will he repeal the Bush offenses on our liberties?

He hasn't so far.

Will the economy be recovered?

Not likely. They just started taking the housing market on life support, but a few countries in the EU defaulting combined with the economy of the Gulf states being destroyed will put us back in the crapper.

Will health care be fixed?

You and several others have pointed out most of the bill doesn't go in effect for years.[/QUOTE]


There's a lot of time between now and the voters hitting the polls in November 2012, so who knows where things will stand.

But even on the stuff you listed (and a bit more)

Health Care-as long as its not repealed he can sell getting it done, and many things like no denials for pre-existing conditions, no limits on how much benefits you can get paid out etc. go in afffect between now and 2012

Economy--too soon to tell, but things are slowly getting better. Stock market is more stable and staying about 10,000 for the most part, Unemployment is still high but looks near the peak and should drop down some by 2012, my retirment accounts are making some money again rather than bleeding money, looks like no furlough days for me next year etc. etc.

-Also can tout passing financial regulation reform--assuming those get through.

Wars--should be mostly out of Iraq. Hard to say on Afghanistan.


So I don't think it's all doom and gloom for Obama on any front.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I think we'll be spending more money on wars before the 2012 elections than before the 2008 elections.[/QUOTE]

Entirely possible. Like I said, a lot could happen between now and then.

If election was this November, I think he'd win again--but it would be much closer.

But that can change dramatically between now and 2012, he could end up losing badly, or winning easily depending on what happens over the next 2 1/2 years.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Did McChrystal not resign before he was relieved of command?[/QUOTE]

I would think that even faux news explained this one to you.
 
[quote name='camoor']I would think that even faux news explained this one to you.[/QUOTE]

Semantically speaking, UncleBob is correct. If he were to apply for unemployment, his claim would be denied.
 
[quote name='camoor']I would think that even faux news explained this one to you.[/QUOTE]

Sorry - don't watch "Faux News" (hahahaha... that's funny. did you work really hard to come up with that one? Almost as awesome as the guy who came up with using "M$" for Microsoft). I don't watch Fox News either...
 
Apparently McChrystal didn't watch FOXNEws either:

[quote name='Marc Ambinder']Now it can be told. The story about him voting for Obama is not contrived. He is a political liberal. He is a social liberal. He banned Fox News from the television sets in his headquarters. Yes, really. This serves to put to rest another false rumor: that McChrystal deliberately precipitated his firing because he wants to run for President.[/QUOTE]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ht-beat-obama-borrows-the-military-back/58635
 
Anyone else find it... odd... that MoveOn.org deleted all the "General Betray Us" stuff from their website on the same day Obama picked him to replace McChrystal?
 
this just further proves how smart Obama is. He effectively killed two birds with one stone by firing McChrystal and demoted General BetrayUs. Once Afghanistan war inevitably goes down the drain, BetrayUs will get all the blame and be officially fired like McChrystal. That will leave Gates as the last Bush crony to be rid of.
 
[quote name='rumblebear']this just further proves how smart Obama is. He effectively killed two birds with one stone by firing McChrystal and demoted General BetrayUs. Once Afghanistan war inevitably goes down the drain, BetrayUs will get all the blame and be officially fired like McChrystal. That will leave Gates as the last Bush crony to be rid of.[/QUOTE]

That makes absolutley no sense whatsoever my friend.

Hes so savy that, Rather than hire a different one of hundreds of other experienced people, he chose to bring back the crony.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Anyone else find it... odd... that MoveOn.org deleted all the "General Betray Us" stuff from their website on the same day Obama picked him to replace McChrystal?[/QUOTE]

Haha I remember that ad, We aren't seeing full page ads like that now. I wonder why.
 
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