Mexico: The War Within

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NPR started a 5 part series today about the the cartel violence. Looking forward to it.

More than 3 1/2 years after Mexican President Felipe Calderon launched his war against the drug cartels, violence in Mexico continues to escalate, and 2010 is on track to be the deadliest year yet in a campaign that has already claimed some 25,000 lives.
Top politicians have been kidnapped and killed. Massacres of more than a dozen people have become common. And in July, a car bomb exploded in Juarez.

The fallout from the drug war that's starting to be known as Calderon's quagmire is being felt across Mexico, among those of all walks of life. And there is no end in sight to the violence.

The town of Taxco is a major tourist destination in the Western state of Guerrero. It's known for its silver mines and fine jewelry. Taxco's narrow cobblestone streets wind amid jewelry shops, restaurants and small hotels.

But in June, a gun battle there between the Mexican army and alleged drug cartel members left 15 people dead. With the picturesque colonial architecture as backdrop, the shooting went on for almost 40 minutes in the middle of the day and was captured by a local TV cameraman.

A few weeks earlier, authorities had pulled 55 bodies out of one of Taxco's abandoned silver mines. A local drug gang had been dumping its rivals — sometimes alive — down the 500-foot ventilation shaft.

Early on in this drug war, Calderon said that most of the dead were cartel members. The implication was that the violence is only eliminating the bad people.

But as the war has spread, so have the casualties.

No One Is Safe

In May, a former presidential candidate from Calderon's own party, Diego Fernandez de Cevallos, was kidnapped and is still missing. In June, Rodolfo Torre Cantu, the leading gubernatorial candidate in the northern state of Tamaulipas, was assassinated just days before the election.

Ciudad Victoria, the capital of Tamaulipas, is a small city of about 300,000 people. Its markets overflow with vegetables. Vendors sell mango and melon drinks from thick glass vats perched on pushcarts. Music blares from a CD stand. Old men in straw cowboy hats sit in the shade on the city square.

At first glance, Ciudad Victoria looks peaceful. But the local Catholic bishop, Antonio Gonzalez Sanchez, says people are terrified. "Now the violence has invaded nearly all of the state," the bishop says. "We don't have hardly anywhere where there isn't violence, where there aren't killings, kidnappings. Unfortunately it's nearly everywhere."

Gonzalez says Torre's assassination sent a powerful message that no one in Tamaulipas is safe. "The people feel, and I think with good reason, that when the government says they're going to overcome the violence, it's a lie, no?" he says.

Violence In Every Corner Of Society

And the violence stretches from the Gulf to the Pacific and from the Guatemalan border up to Tijuana.

In Nayarit, just north of Puerto Vallarta, the governor shut the public schools three weeks before the summer break after a series of bloody, midday firefights.

In the industrial city of Monterrey, schoolchildren are being trained in how to hit the ground if there is a shootout.

Along the U.S. border, local news reports indicate that hundreds of thousands of people have fled violence-plagued cities all along the frontier.

In Ciudad Juarez last month, workers at a blanket shop picked through the remnants of their shattered plate-glass windows after a car bomb exploded up the street. The Juarez cartel claimed responsibility for the blast that killed three people.

In a conflict in which bodies regularly get strung up from highway overpasses and severed human heads are used to send less-than-subtle warnings, the July 15 car bomb represented an escalation of the violence.

Politicians and the press debated "narco-terrorism" and the "Colombianization of Mexico."

After the car bombing, the mayor of Juarez, Jose Reyes Ferriz, said, "We have to be on alert." He ordered all municipal police to take their flak jackets and weapons home with them at the end of their shifts.

Juarez, just across the border from El Paso, Texas, has been particularly hard hit by the drug war. The fighting intensified in 2008 as the Sinaloan cartel invaded the Juarez cartel's turf. Since then, more than 6,000 people have been killed in this city alone. Extortion and kidnappings have flourished.

In early 2009, the Mexican military took control of security in Juarez. Thousands of soldiers patrolled the streets. When that didn't work, the federal police took over, but the violence just continues to worsen.

Confessions Of A Cartel Gunrunner

At the Juarez municipal prison, inmates are housed in separate wings according to their gang affiliation. The Aztecas live in open cellblocks that are immaculately clean and look nicer than some of Mexico's housing projects. The Aztecas are clearly wealthier than any of the other gangs in the institution.

The Aztecas are aligned with the Juarez cartel and have been fighting to try to drive the Sinaloans out of the city.

Francisco Garcia, a gunrunner for the Aztecas, says the violence isn't going to stop. "There's a war going on. Nobody could go in and say, 'Hey, that's it.' We can't do that. Because they already killed so many people with us and them," he says.

Garcia is a U.S. citizen. He was born in El Paso, but he says the Aztecas in Juarez are his people. His hair is shaved close to his scalp. A green tattooed tear drips from the corner of his left eye.

"I came over here and I got caught on the bridge with two guns," Garcia says.

The 24-year-old says that was his job on the outside — shuttling weapons from Texas into Mexico. "Any kind of guns, any kind of weapons that we could use. I was bringing them from over there," he says.

Garcia says the Aztecas had a well-organized system in the U.S. Other people obtained the guns and brought them to him in El Paso. His task was to move them across the border and deliver them to a contact in Juarez.


The Aztecas have a well-organized system inside the prison, too. In their portion of the compound, they have vegetable gardens, an automotive workshop and art studios. There's even an ice cream shop and their own pizza place, which they call "Domino's."

Ranks Of Poor Serve As Recruiting Ground

While the Juarez prison feels calm during a recent visit, prison riots in Mexico between rival gangs have killed scores of inmates over the past two years.

Garcia says that as soon as he finishes his four-year prison term, he plans to go right back to working for the Aztecas on the outside.

"This is my life. This is what I chose to be. I can't just walk out," he says.

Garcia grew up poor in El Paso. As a kid, he says, his family lacked a lot of things. The Aztecas, on the other hand, offered him "fast money."

He says he expects to either die young with the Aztecas or spend most of his life in prison — and he says he's OK with that.

In Mexico, more than 4 million people live in what the government terms "extreme poverty." For the cartels, this huge pool of the poor serves as a recruiting ground for foot soldiers in a war that's growing more deadly every month.

Part 1 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128804488

Mexico has become one of the most dangerous countries in the world for journalists. So far this year, eight reporters have been gunned down. Last week, five were reported kidnapped — four of them in Durango state and one in Zacatecas state.

Some 25,000 people have been killed over the last 3 1/2 years in drug-related violence.

Unbiased information has also been a casualty.

Part 2 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128929784

More than 3 1/2 years after President Felipe Calderon declared war on Mexico's drug cartels, the pace of killings has increased and 2010 is on track to be the deadliest yet in a campaign that has already claimed as many as 28,000 lives.

Part 3 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128959610

Acapulco remains a huge draw for tourists, lured by its azure bay fringed by palm trees and pearly white beaches stretching for miles along the Pacific Ocean coast.

Part 4 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128985632

Mexico is in the midst of its most violent confrontation with drug traffickers, with an estimated 28,000 people killed since President Felipe Calderon declared war on drug cartels soon after he took office in late 2006.

Part 5 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129009629

Now I know this won't do any good, but let's try to keep the illegal immigration talk to a minimum and focus more on the being neighbors to a state with an escalating narco-war aspect.

Seems like there wil be inevitable US intervention. Would be pretty wild to have troops cross the border to ensure Mexico doesn't fall into a full on war. I mean thousands of deaths are bad enough, but car bombs... not cool. We already know the violence has spilled into the US (though nowhere near as bad) and a $1 million bounty was put on Sheriff Joe's head. Foreign Policy Magazine's list of Failed States (a ranking of nations stability) this year put Mexico at 98 (down from last year) with a score of 75.4 our of 120 and among the company of countries like Senegal, Vietnam and only slightly better than Jordan and Turkey.
 
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I sure am glad he found the time to fit his visit earlier this year to tell us how to run our country into his busy schedule.
 
Shame we're already over extended in other wars or we might be able to help. Most of those drugs are coming here anyway, we're involved whether we like it or not.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I sure am glad he found the time to fit his visit earlier this year to tell us how to run our country into his busy schedule.[/QUOTE]

Sweet Jesus Christ. Do you believe the ramblings of every diplomat has weight in this country?

Chavez compared Bush to the devil and everyone laughed it off as the ramblings of a crazy man. Calderon blows some shit out his ass and you have the goddamn speech memorized. "See. Those damn Messicans are out to get us. Tole ya."
 
[quote name='depascal22']Sweet Jesus Christ. Do you believe the ramblings of every diplomat has weight in this country?

Chavez compared Bush to the devil and everyone laughed it off as the ramblings of a crazy man. Calderon blows some shit out his ass and you have the goddamn speech memorized. "See. Those damn Messicans are out to get us. Tole ya."[/QUOTE]

I believe any diplomat that is invited to give speeches at the White House by our President has some priority over diplomats who aren't even allowed in the country.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I believe any diplomat that is invited to give speeches at the White House by our President has some priority over diplomats who aren't even allowed in the country.[/QUOTE]

Chavez gave his speech at the United Nations.... Last time I checked New York City was still in the United States despite the right.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']American troops in North Mexico certainly is inevitable. But it makes a lot more sense than Afghanistan and Iraq.[/QUOTE]

considering that cartels have spilled more blood on american soil than terrorists over the last 5 years, id say it makes more sense and, unfortunately, inevitable that the US gets involved (beyond funding).

edit: part 2 is up and linked in the OP.
 
The Mexicans want us to invade. That way the border becomes our problem and they can act like we're aggressive nation builders.
 
[quote name='depascal22']The Mexicans want us to invade. That way the border becomes our problem and they can act like we're aggressive nation builders.[/QUOTE]

calderon being inactive in hopes the US picks up the slack? maybe.

[quote name='dorino']I like how Mexico is a shithole yet we still can't seem to see why they're coming over here.

/derail[/QUOTE]

i dont think there was ever a question of why
 
This has displeased me for many years as I have family in Mexico. Funding the Mexican government's war against these cartels only seems to be making the problem worse.

Thinking Mexico wants our help, or that US troops in Mexico is the inevitable outcome is beyond ridiculous. They just want our money to pay off drug dealers to stop killing people. Then, they can take money from both sides of the equation. Money from the cartels allows them to work freely, money from the US allows them to fabricate a war against the Cartels and innocent people die in the crossfire. If a real solution came along, the money would stop flowing, and no one wants that.


So where's Don Obama to give us some fundamental change on this Mexican thing? What happened to "liberalist" legalization philosophy? Oh, that's right, he never even bothered to pander to that fringe, did he?
 
[quote name='depascal22']Chavez gave his speech at the United Nations.... Last time I checked New York City was still in the United States despite the right.[/QUOTE]

United Nations HQ is still considered international territory, right?

He may have gotten ferried there over US soil, but I'm guessing he didn't go off course and stop for some NY 'zah.
 
Seems like things were better under the corrupt government pre-Calderon. Not that I'm in favor of corruption or anything. Just stating the facts.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Seems like things were better under the corrupt government pre-Calderon. Not that I'm in favor of corruption or anything. Just stating the facts.[/QUOTE]

Watch The Dark Knight again.
 
The phrase "a failed war on drugs" is redundant. There is no doubt as to the destructive effects of drugs, especially the harsher drugs. But no govenrnment has ever improved the situation by prohibiting them or declaring war against them.
 
[quote name='camoor']The phrase "a failed war on drugs" is redundant. There is no doubt as to the destructive effects of drugs, especially the harsher drugs. But no govenrnment has ever improved the situation by prohibiting them or declaring war against them.[/QUOTE]

Thats because delcaring war on something never works. US government loves that term "war on". Its the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, the war on poverty, the war on crime, the war on this and the war on that. But nothing is ever solved and after the political side of the campagin is done then it just goes away while the problem is still there.

Its impossible to get rid of drugs, will never happen. But you cant greatly reduce drug use and drug activity by improving the quality of life in the populace. If more people in this country had a good job, they didnt have so much debt, they werent constantly afraid of losing everything, if the government wasnt constantly trying to scare everyone with "potential terrorist threats" and we as a whole started taking care of ourselves drug use would go way down. Look at drug use, its usually the most problemtatic in poor areas well when the poor areas of people under duress grows across the country then the use of drugs and such will increase. If we could increase the quality of life of middle america and below, have people be able to work for what they need, give more people something they can occupy themselves with and have a sense of purpose and be able to feel like real people with a real chance drug use would go down quite a bit.

But that type of thing would require alot of time, alot of effort, alot of actually trying to help people in the longterm sense and no one wants to do that. They want a quick and easy response, so they declare war on something because it sounds and looks good right now.
 
That's basically the solution to illegal immigration too. People come here for the chance at a life they can't get at home. Improve their situation at home and they won't want to come here.
 
[quote name='gargus']Thats because delcaring war on something never works. US government loves that term "war on". Its the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, the war on poverty, the war on crime, the war on this and the war on that. But nothing is ever solved and after the political side of the campagin is done then it just goes away while the problem is still there.[/QUOTE]

Generally I agree with you.

IMHO the "war on terrorism" makes a little more sense. Terrorists employ military tactics and our armed forces are actively engaged in taking them out. Say what you want, I think we have seen modest success in terrorism prevention. That having been said, I think it would make more sense to state it as war against a specific group of terrorists.
 
It's just as ridiculous, how do you declare war on a term used to describe something that terrorizes people? Declaring war on a group of terrorists I could see, but not the blanket concept of terrorism.
 
[quote name='camoor']Generally I agree with you.

IMHO the "war on terrorism" makes a little more sense. Terrorists employ military tactics and our armed forces are actively engaged in taking them out. Say what you want, I think we have seen modest success in terrorism prevention. That having been said, I think it would make more sense to state it as war against a specific group of terrorists.[/QUOTE]

We've spent over $2 trillion, lost 4,000 soldiers and a few of our fundamental rights to prevent another loss of 3,000 people and a few hundred billion dollars in property damage. How is that successful?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']We've spent over $2 trillion, lost 4,000 soldiers and a few of our fundamental rights to prevent another loss of 3,000 people and a few hundred billion dollars in property damage. How is that successful?[/QUOTE]

I was referring to the domestic efforts against terrorism. While personally I consider the foreign wars to be a different enterprise launched under false pretenses, I will concede the point as the politicians do not.

I think something we have been doing has been couteracting terrorism within the US. Personally I think it's a more intense law enforcement focus coupled with the new "see it, say it" attitude of the people.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']We've spent over $2 trillion, lost 4,000 soldiers and a few of our fundamental rights to prevent another loss of 3,000 people and a few hundred billion dollars in property damage. How is that successful?[/QUOTE]

Your argument assumes that doing nothing would result in another attack where 3,000 people would die, and then the terrorists would just... give up?
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Your argument assumes that doing nothing would result in another attack where 3,000 people would die, and then the terrorists would just... give up?[/QUOTE]

Let's say a 9/11 event would happen every ten years. Net Loss: 3,000 people and $1 trillion in property damage.

To prevent this, we spent $2 trillion, lost 4,000 soldiers and a "few" contractors, killed somewhere between a few hundred thousand to a few million of those damn, dirty Muzzies, pissed off the world and gave up the Constitution.

With that course of action or inaction, have the terrorists given up?

Do you miss the Fourth, Sixth or Eighth Amendments?

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If the US genuinely wanted to defeat terrorism, it could be done easily.

Let me give you a picture of a typical terrorist. He can't afford socks. That plane ticket? Yeah, he didn't buy it. Somebody bought it for him. Unless the CIA is funding terrorism ;), it is pretty safe to bet money is coming from an oil rich country or the benefactor makes a living off of oil. Except for America Junior, almost every oil-rich country is run by Muslims. Oddly enough, those folks of The Database are damn near all Muslims. So, take away money from oil and you take away funding for terrorists.

I know the question. What would the US do without oil fueling its economy? The US has the resources to replace oil with geothermal, fission, wind, solar, fusion or lunar solar power.

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I'm sure somebody will argue oil is used in plastics or some other product. Quick! Somebody ask me what can be used to replace oil-based plastics.
 
and this is why we need to extend welfare to the Mexican poor as well. As long their parents don't have the money to raise their children correctly, this onslaught will only continue.
 
I thought one of the NPR stories highlighted the fact that pre-Calderone when corruption in gov't was rampant they were being bought off by the cartels and so they weren't going after them that much. Since Calderone started going after the cartels it started a war between cartels and the gov't and between the cartels themselves over territory.
 
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