Microsoft's Peter Moore Slams Japanese Games Scene!

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http://www.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6409

[quote name='Spong']When asked about possible future developmental resistance to the company's recently unveiled XNA tool suite, Moore said, "They have no choice [to support us] because they can't survive on Mahjong games shipping to 100,000 people anymore.[/quote]

Just the M$ elitist mentality at work again.
 
Oh BS. The Japanese market is so fragmented it's shrinking in real dollar/yen value. Europe and North America are growing markets, the Japanese market is contracting. Those statements were right on the money, especially his one about him seeing 15 games that "had a guy with a sword". It's just that console makers aren't supposed to say this thing to the press even if it is true.

Unfortunately the Japanese press will pick this up and Peter Moore will be portrayed as an ugly gaijin blaming the Japanese gaming industry for the failure of his product. In truth the Japanese think they own gaming, the fact that they don't anymore hasn't hit them yet. Sure, they make the PS2 and GameCube however the tilt of where sales are with Western developers. Gaming machines are no different than DVD players anymore.

Japan is sinking creatively and if you ever saw a complete PS2 or PSone list that included Japanese titles you'd have some idea of how much crap they make compared to the highlighted franchises we all know.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Oh BS. The Japanese market is so fragmented it's shrinking in real dollar/yen value. Europe and North America are growing markets, the Japanese market is contracting. Those statements were right on the money, especially his one about him seeing 15 games that "had a guy with a sword". It's just that console makers aren't supposed to say this thing to the press even if it is true.

Unfortunately the Japanese press will pick this up and Peter Moore will be portrayed as an ugly gaijin blaming the Japanese gaming industry for the failure of his product. In truth the Japanese think they own gaming, the fact that they don't anymore hasn't hit them yet. Sure, they make the PS2 and GameCube however the tilt of where sales are with Western developers. Gaming machines are no different than DVD players anymore.

Japan is sinking creatively and if you ever saw a complete PS2 or PSone list that included Japanese titles you'd have some idea of how much crap they make compared to the highlighted franchises we all know.[/quote]

All right. Well, welcome to America where I see 15 games that "have a guy with a gun".

Regardless of the Japanese economy - the games are still good, and games are still selling. Sure, they make some crap over there, but so do we. I really fail to see your point. Microsoft's pissed because they can't move more than 2 units a week.
 
Japans still in a recession thats been going on for a long time. They really need to cater to the people with the Money, mainly us. Personally I'd like the chance to play some of the Japanese only games here as demos i could download to my Xbox or something of that nature. Because honestly if the games already been made and will never see the US, what harm could letting us try them out possibly do, other than give companies an idea about what the american people want. Probably never happen.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']http://www.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6409

[quote name='Spong']When asked about possible future developmental resistance to the company's recently unveiled XNA tool suite, Moore said, "They have no choice [to support us] because they can't survive on Mahjong games shipping to 100,000 people anymore.[/quote]

Just the M$ elitist mentality at work again.[/quote]

I disagree. Moore is blunt, but he's probably also right.
 
This made something occur to me. You know all those really wierd, quirky, and pretty pointless games that Japan releases? I think they've been seeing this lack of creativity for some time and that's a measly effort to show that they still have it. I mean really, what developer get's successful and then makes a game about singing polar bears (I'm sure most of yall know what game I'm talking about). Before now, I'd be jealous of those really wierd, "creative" games that I'd see in the In Japan Only sections of various magazines. Now I think they're all so stupid and pointless, if you own gaming, then why the hell would you make a game about singing polar bears, or a game about rolling a ball of rubble around Earth after aliens attacked it? I mean those are just two of the many of games Japan has released like this.
 
I think it's about time someone stepped up. I don't support his somewhat shaky ethnic slur but Americans do have to have some pride. For how many years have we been told that other countries have better culture, cars, electronics and video games. Now even our tech jobs aren't good enough here to be shipped overseas. Its like a slap in the face!

I'm not saying Moore is right for saying that. But I am saying that it isn't 'elitist' mentality at all. It's pride in what you produce. In this case its the lone US console on the market (no Phantom doesn't count). Is it elitist to want to stand out, to have pride and want to succeed? I really don't think it is. 9/11 pride is one thing, but to have pride in your work and what you bring to the table is another.

EDIT: On a side note, do you think Japan is any different? Their market is flooded with these 'unique' games, and I wouldn't be surprised if the average gamer wanted a return to more conventional games. The grass is greener on the other side as the saying goes. I doubt their gaming market and struggles are similar to ours, albeit on a much larger scale.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot'][quote name='Scrubking']http://www.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6409

[quote name='Spong']When asked about possible future developmental resistance to the company's recently unveiled XNA tool suite, Moore said, "They have no choice [to support us] because they can't survive on Mahjong games shipping to 100,000 people anymore.[/quote]

Just the M$ elitist mentality at work again.[/quote]

I disagree. Moore is blunt, but he's probably also right.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is really going to turn the Japanese around on them, especially with such honey-tongued endearments as Moore's.
 
I guess I stand in the minority and say without these Japanese game companies the system turns into a low end PC a la Phantom.

Thats all the Xbox seems to be to me without Japanese support so go ahead let him burn the Japanese, and see where his console sales go.

I bet none of you can name a third party game not from Japan or on the PC or derived from the PC that is totally exclusive for Xbox and is already out. It ain't gonna happen
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I guess I stand in the minority and say without these Japanese game companies the system turns into a low end PC a la Phantom.

Thats all the Xbox seems to be to me without Japanese support so go ahead let him burn the Japanese, and see where his console sales go.

I bet none of you can name a third party game not from Japan or on the PC or derived from the PC that is totally exclusive for Xbox and is already out. It ain't gonna happen[/quote]

Project Gotham Racing 1 and 2? Does that count?

Edit: oh, third party, whoops.

Edit 2: Quantum Redshift, Voodoo Vince, Blinx, Tao Feng...
 
Blinx and Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Neither are great but maybe we will see better European-developed stuff in the future.

Also the XSN games.
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='KaneRobot'][quote name='Scrubking']http://www.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6409

[quote name='Spong']When asked about possible future developmental resistance to the company's recently unveiled XNA tool suite, Moore said, "They have no choice [to support us] because they can't survive on Mahjong games shipping to 100,000 people anymore.[/quote]

Just the M$ elitist mentality at work again.[/quote]

I disagree. Moore is blunt, but he's probably also right.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is really going to turn the Japanese around on them, especially with such honey-tongued endearments as Moore's.[/quote]

Who cares? The XBox did better than most people expected even WITH crap sales in Japan. If the Japanese gaming development community wants to jump in on what likely will be "the next big thing," they'll ignore the comments and take advantage of it. Either way, MS wins.
 
*looking at my game library*

Brute Force
Fuzion Frenzy
Rallisport Challenge
and Halo 2 (which is coming out eventually)

Do you know anything at all about the Phantom? They don't have any support at all, no hardware, no physical media, no truth, etc etc.. I don't think the XBox, or any console or thing known to man could drop to that level, with or without Japanese support. =/

Besides, most of the PC games on the market are American... so if anything MS would buy up some of those companies for exclusive ports.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Who cares? The XBox did better than most people expected even WITH crap sales in Japan. If the Japanese gaming development community wants to jump in on what likely will be "the next big thing," they'll ignore the comments and take advantage of it. Either way, MS wins.[/quote]

Name another console maker with sustained success without strong Japanese support then.
 
The only American consoles that come to mind are Atari, Vectrex, Intellivision. But they survive today in various incarnations. Just because others have failed doesn't mean another can prosper... after all this is Microsoft we are talking about.
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']Great thread title. All hail Emperor Clobbersaurus![/quote]

It's from spong so I can't take credit for it - just in case.

And the M$ mentality of join us or you suck is immature and elitist.
 
if the PS2 had online SNK games than the Xbox would have to go. AS it is it gets kept only for that reason.

Also I was talking about AAA titles. Most of those were not all that great. PGR was okay and Rallisport is on the PC. Have not played PGR2 but I will give you that one.
 
Shouldn't we keep Xbox hating out of the Xbox General Discussion? Just because you have some kind of brain tumor and find PS2 better than Xbox doesn't mean you have to ruin talk on this forum. Look at it this way, no one will contradict what you say bad about Xbox in PS2 General Discussion.
 
I have an Xbox so my cracks on it are only meant for those with the system who think its the end all and be all system. Its a good system, but it has many flaws in it software library
 
[quote name='XboxMaster']Shouldn't we keep Xbox hating out of the Xbox General Discussion? Just because you have some kind of brain tumor and find PS2 better than Xbox doesn't mean you have to ruin talk on this forum. Look at it this way, no one will contradict what you say bad about Xbox in PS2 General Discussion.[/quote]

People will respect what you have to say about the xbox when you stop being a fanboy.
 
But would a non-fanboy tell someone to stop Xbox hating in the Xbox forum? So therefore, if I wasn't a fanboy, then I wouldn't have ever posted that and there wouldn't be anything for me to say that ppl should respect.
 
Moore and MS are just pissed because:

They don't know how to appeal to the japanese market and make money off of them.
 
[quote name='jmcc']Uh, I just checked: no one was "hating" on the Xbox.[/quote]

but someone mentioned a ps2, and the mere mention of a ps2 on a xbox board scares all the fanboys ^^
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='jmcc']Uh, I just checked: no one was "hating" on the Xbox.[/quote]

but someone mentioned a ps2, and the mere mention of a ps2 on a xbox board scares all the fanboys ^^[/quote]

I'll have to keep that in mind. Fanboy repellant is worth it's weight in gold.
 
[quote name='magilacudy']I think it's about time someone stepped up. I don't support his somewhat shaky ethnic slur but Americans do have to have some pride. For how many years have we been told that other countries have better culture, cars, electronics and video games. Now even our tech jobs aren't good enough here to be shipped overseas. Its like a slap in the face!

I'm not saying Moore is right for saying that. But I am saying that it isn't 'elitist' mentality at all. It's pride in what you produce. In this case its the lone US console on the market (no Phantom doesn't count). Is it elitist to want to stand out, to have pride and want to succeed? I really don't think it is. 9/11 pride is one thing, but to have pride in your work and what you bring to the table is another.

EDIT: On a side note, do you think Japan is any different? Their market is flooded with these 'unique' games, and I wouldn't be surprised if the average gamer wanted a return to more conventional games. The grass is greener on the other side as the saying goes. I doubt their gaming market and struggles are similar to ours, albeit on a much larger scale.[/quote]

i agree. i'm all for american pride, but it did sound a kinda racist with the "mahjong" part... kinda makes me angry hearing that come out of a guy in such a high position.
 
I was going to say Outlaw Volleyball, but I don't think MS made it.

I'm pretty sure that fanboys of the respective systems are here participating on this thread. Why limit yourself to one system? By just saying that's just 'M$ (I love how witty people are for putting the $ in there by the way) Mentality' or similar comments, you sound as narrow-minded as Moore does.

That's not just limited to XB haters either, I'm sure we're all guilty of that one time or another. =/
 
[quote name='punqsux']i bet japanese gamers cant wait to play shaq-fu 2[/quote]

Haha... I'm curious how that Shaq-fu got in there. Is the filter still up from yesterday? Or what exactly are you talking about? :)
 
[quote name='magilacudy']I'm pretty sure that fanboys of the respective systems are here participating on this thread. Why limit yourself to one system? By just saying that's just 'M$ (I love how witty people are for putting the $ in there by the way) Mentality' or similar comments, you sound as narrow-minded as Moore does.[/quote]

How does saying that M$ has an elitist mentality make me "narrow minded"?

Am I supposed to think that their bully tactics and illegal monopolistic ways are good? Is there some good, redeeming quality in tring to screw every other software company out there that my narrow mind is missing? :roll:

And I use M$ because typing Microsoft is tedious. Next time make sure you have evidence before spewing accusations. :roll:
 
What evidence? What allegations? You used the two characters, M and dolar sign $, and I just commented what I thought about it.

The narrow-mindedness quote was directed towards all haters, or at least ones who have bias against a particular system -- all of us at some time or another as I said at the end of the post. I remember you being called an XBox hater before, maybe that stuck in my mind. if that's not true, then forgive me. If anything you have a problem with MS.

My point is fanboy-natured 'hating' is narrow-minded. There is a world of difference between saying something derogatory about a particular race and saying something about a particular system. Yet, it comes down to an inherent bias or feeling of inferiority/superiority in either case. Hence the relation to fanboyism. Hence the comment about narrow-mindedness.

Scrubking, I don't have any beef with you, you're the man now dawg. Didn't mean for that to seem like a personal attack... I put in a smiley for some comic relief. So don't take it personally :)
 
Cool.

Your right. For some reason I keep getting accused of being an xbox hater - I have no idea why.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Cool.

Your right. For some reason I keep getting accused of being an xbox hater - I have no idea why.[/quote]

You do realize you're punching an Xbox right now, don't you?
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='jmcc']Uh, I just checked: no one was "hating" on the Xbox.[/quote]

but someone mentioned a ps2, and the mere mention of a ps2 on a xbox board scares all the fanboys ^^[/quote]

I'm not THAT big of a fanboy :roll: . Anway, there was Xbox hating, atleast I'm %95 sure. But I don't wanna continue this conversation because I don't feel like getting gang-banged by Xbox haters, PS2 fanboys, and assholes again. Which has happened a couple of times previously.
 
[quote name='XboxMaster']
I'm not THAT big of a fanboy :roll: [/quote]

Reaalllyyy...

One look at your avatar/ sig pic/ name you chose to identify yourself to the world... would tell a different story.

If you are a fanboy, at least admit it. It'll save you from at least 99.99%* of all system-related gang-bangs.

*Tests from independent laboratory research. Your results with gangs, banging or gang-banging may vary.
 
[quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='jmcc']Uh, I just checked: no one was "hating" on the Xbox.[/quote]

but someone mentioned a ps2, and the mere mention of a ps2 on a xbox board scares all the fanboys ^^[/quote]

I'm not THAT big of a fanboy :roll: . Anway, there was Xbox hating, atleast I'm %95 sure. But I don't wanna continue this conversation because I don't feel like getting gang-banged by Xbox haters, PS2 fanboys, and assholes again. Which has happened a couple of times previously.[/quote]

Why don't you list examples?

And if you got pics of the gang-bang post them too. :wink:
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I guess I stand in the minority and say without these Japanese game companies the system turns into a low end PC a la Phantom.

Thats all the Xbox seems to be to me without Japanese support so go ahead let him burn the Japanese, and see where his console sales go.

I bet none of you can name a third party game not from Japan or on the PC or derived from the PC that is totally exclusive for Xbox and is already out. It ain't gonna happen[/quote]

Metal Arms
 
[quote name='XboxMaster']I'm not THAT big of a fanboy :roll: . Anway, there was Xbox hating, atleast I'm %95 sure. But I don't wanna continue this conversation because I don't feel like getting gang-banged by Xbox haters, PS2 fanboys, and assholes again. Which has happened a couple of times previously.[/quote]

What do you mean, 95% sure? There's not that many posts in this thread. Can't you cite the points where this alleged Xbox on-hating is occurring?
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']if the PS2 had online SNK games than the Xbox would have to go. AS it is it gets kept only for that reason.

Also I was talking about AAA titles. Most of those were not all that great. PGR was okay and Rallisport is on the PC. Have not played PGR2 but I will give you that one.[/quote]

I guess I considered that as Xbox hating.
 
imho, it sounds like your too sensitive. any bad thing said about the xbox (wheyther big or small), you call it "hatin." something like what cvasey said, it should just roll off your back. either that or argue your point :)
 
[quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='CaseyRyback']if the PS2 had online SNK games than the Xbox would have to go. AS it is it gets kept only for that reason.

Also I was talking about AAA titles. Most of those were not all that great. PGR was okay and Rallisport is on the PC. Have not played PGR2 but I will give you that one.[/quote]

I guess I considered that as Xbox hating.[/quote]

I have an Xbox and yes I hate on it. I hate Xbox Live and have not found a fun game to play on the system in a while
 
I think, Xbox Master, that most of the hating is on you, and not the Xbox. There is a difference.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']I think, Xbox Master, that most of the hating is on you, and not the Xbox. There is a difference.[/quote]

Well, I guess that's true when I bitch about someone hating on the Xbox. I'm probably the only Xbox fanboy on CAG, so that's they way it's gonna go I guess. LOL, really stupid how this began again. I don't know why I kinda exploded that night, that was barely Xbox hating. Oh well.
 
[quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='JSweeney']I think, Xbox Master, that most of the hating is on you, and not the Xbox. There is a difference.[/quote]

Well, I guess that's true when I bitch about someone hating on the Xbox. I'm probably the only Xbox fanboy on CAG, so that's they way it's gonna go I guess. LOL, really stupid how this began again. I don't know why I kinda exploded that night, that was barely Xbox hating. Oh well.[/quote]

its no big deal. If you think you are an Xbox fanboy, try the Xbox.com boards. Those people over there are total fanboys.

There used to be some cool people over there, but all the forum errors ran them off and no only the fannies remain
 
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