Muslim leaders in call for action

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Britain's top Muslims have branded the London suicide bombings "utterly criminal, totally reprehensible, and absolutely un-Islamic".


A joint statement of condemnation came as 22 leaders and scholars met at the Islamic Cultural Centre, in London.

But Britain's highest ranking Asian police officer, Tarique Ghaffur, says Muslims and their leaders must do more than just condemn the bombings.

Bomber Hasib Mir Hussain's family said on Friday they were "devastated".

Police in Egypt arrested chemistry student Magdi Mahmoud al-Nashar, 33, wanted in connection with the bombings.

'Concrete steps'

At the meeting in London, Muslim leaders said there could never be any excuse for taking an innocent life, it said.

Earlier, the head of the Muslim Council of Britain said he wanted "concrete steps" to make sure such atrocities were never repeated.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, met Islamic and community leaders in Leeds, where three of the bombers were from.

The statement said everyone must confront the problems of Islamophobia, racism, unemployment, economic depravation and social exclusion.

"Islam prohibits both anger and desperation. Anger and desperation are haram (forbidden) and may lead to some people being targeted by people with a sinister and violent agenda.

"There is, therefore, a great deal of positive work to be done with everyone in our own and wider community in order to channel the energy and talent of our youth, particularly into constructive avenues, serving God and society for the common good. "The youth need understanding, not bashing."



Of the Muslim stance on suicide bombing, the leaders said: "There can never be any excuse for taking an innocent life.

"The Koran clearly declares that killing an innocent person was tantamount to killing all mankind and likewise saving a single life was as if one had saved the life of all mankind.

"This is both a principle and a command ... Those who carried out the bombing, the statement said: "Should in no sense be regarded as martyrs.

Both Muslims and non-Muslims should help bring the people behind the bombing to justice, it said.

"The pursuit of justice for the victims of last week's attacks is an obligation under the faith of Islam."

Organised crime

In his only interview on the attacks, Mr Ghaffur, the Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, urged Muslims and their leaders to inform on potential terrorists and their supporters.

The police would protect informers, using the lessons learned from tackling serious and organised crime, the head of the Met's serious crimes directorate added.

They would have to engage better with minorities - but the minorities would have to take the first step, he said.

An air of radicalism had been building up among a minority of Muslims, Mr Ghaffur added.

But the London attacks had been the worst case scenario for Britain and its Muslims.



'Shocked state'

Earlier on Friday, Sir Iqbal Sacranie was reported to have met relatives of suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan in Dewsbury.

He spoke to a number of groups in Leeds and said it was important to listen to the concerns of Muslims in the area. "They are all in a state of shock, as we are," he said.



Sir Iqbal said that steps had to be taken within the UK's Muslim community.

He said: "The community across the country condemns such activities but beyond that, what have we been doing?"

His comments came as Met Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair met Muslim leaders and said police would work with the community.

'Evil influence'

Police have now turned their attention to finding those who may have helped the bombers carry out last Thursday's attacks - in which 55 people died, including three bombers.

They know three of the bombers were from West Yorkshire - Hussain, 18, of Holbeck, Leeds; Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Beeston, Leeds, and Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, of Dewsbury - and are searching their homes.

They are also searching the home of the man they believe is the fourth bomber, Lindsey Germaine, a Jamaican-born man who lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.

British police are searching a house in Leeds linked to the Mr al-Nashar, but have not formally named him as a suspect in their investigation.

'Loving young man'

Mr al-Nashar denied having any role in the attacks and said he was on holiday, Egypt's Interior Ministry said.

He had told investigators all his belongings remained in the UK and he planned to return there, the ministry said. The family of Hasib Hussain said in a statement their son was "a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern".



"Our thoughts are with all the bereaved families and we have to live ourselves with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances.

"We had no knowledge of his activities and had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him," the statement said.

In other developments Friday:

Forty-one bomb victims have been identified and 31 named.

The first funeral for one of the victims took place. Shahara Islam, 20, from Plaistow, east London, was buried at a private service.

The government plans new criminal offences of providing or receiving training in the use of hazardous substances; of acts preparatory to terrorism; and of inciting terrorism indirectly, Home Office minister Hazel Blears said.

It emerged bomber Mohammad Sadique Khan, a teacher, met MPs Hilary Benn and Jon Trickett during his school's trip to the Palace of Westminster in July 2004.

Victoria Line tube trains began to call at Kings Cross for the first time since the bombings.

And another one showing disapproval of a bombers family

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4688623.stm

Family says bomber 'brainwashed'

Mohammad Sidique Khan's family say they believe the Circle Line bomber could have been "brainwashed" by terrorists.

In a statement, they described the 30-year-old teacher as "a kind and caring member of our family" and appealed to the public for information.

"We are devastated our son may have been brainwashed into carrying out such an atrocity."

On Friday, the family of 18-year-old bomber Hasib Mir Hussain also said they were "devastated" by what had happened.

The Khan family's statement said they "would like to sincerely express their deepest and heartfelt sympathies to all the innocent victims and their families and friends affected by this horrific and evil act. "We urge people with the tiniest piece of information to come forward in order to expose these terror networks which target and groom our sons to carry out such evils."



A teaching assistant at Hillside Primary School in Leeds since 2002, Khan lived in the Beeston area until recently, when he moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury.

He is believed to have been married with a very young daughter, with newspapers naming his wife as teacher Hasina Khan.

The Hussain family's statement described the bus bomber as "a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern".

"We had no knowledge of his activities and, had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him."

Hussain was reported missing by his family in the aftermath of the bombings.

"We, the family of Hasib Mir Hussain, are devastated over the events of the past few days," they said in Friday's statement.

"We are having difficulty taking this in.

"Our thoughts are with all the bereaved families and we have to live ourselves with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances.

"We had no knowledge of his activities and, had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him.

"We urge anyone with information about these events, or leading up to them, to co-operate fully with the authorities. "This is a difficult time and we ask you to let us grieve for our son in private."
 
The obligatory "Islam is a religion of peace" shit...

A religion where rape is perfectly acceptable.
 
[quote name='kittie']The obligatory "Islam is a religion of peace" shit...

A religion where rape is perfectly acceptable.[/QUOTE]

Ok, you beat PAD and scrubking for stupidity.
 
YES. We already know that Muslim leaders call for terrorist action. There is no need to make another thread reminding us. We appreciate it though.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']YES. We already know that Muslim leaders call for terrorist action. There is no need to make another thread reminding us. We appreciate it though.[/QUOTE]

Do you feel threatened by kittie or something?
 
It's good to see how, after the righties have been screaming for the religion to denounce terrorism and actively work against it, that this is how they react when it does happen. :roll:
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Ok, you beat PAD and scrubking for stupidity.[/QUOTE]

Try reading some recent articles in Muslim lands before posting such silliness.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's good to see how, after the righties have been screaming for the religion to denounce terrorism and actively work against it, that this is how they react when it does happen. :roll:[/QUOTE]

It's just the usual defending of their people...

Sorry, but when there's well over a billion Muslims in the world... and a fair percentage of that supports UBL and screaming for the total destruction of the United States and other civilized lands... this is war, and it would be wise to be on the right side of this matter.
 
[quote name='kittie']Try reading some recent articles in Muslim lands before posting such silliness.[/QUOTE]

See, where I'm from, making baseless accusations, such as a religion supports rape, is beyond silly.
 
It's just the usual defending of their people...

People often defend when provoked, even if they may be shown wrong in the future.


Sorry, but when there's well over a billion Muslims in the world... and a fair percentage of that supports UBL

Do you have actual numbers or a verifiable source on that?
Couldn't similar claims be made about Catholicism and support of the IRA?

and screaming for the total destruction of the United States and other civilized lands... this is war, and it would be wise to be on the right side of this matter.

I believe that may be overstating the matter. More likely it's a number of radical sects and more radical factions of the religion that adhere to such tenants and espouse such beliefs. Throwing that entire blanket over an entire religion seems rather short sighted. Islam is a varied religion, with as many facets and factions as Christianity.
 
[quote name='kittie']It's just the usual defending of their people...

Sorry, but when there's well over a billion Muslims in the world... and a fair percentage of that supports UBL and screaming for the total destruction of the United States and other civilized lands... this is war, and it would be wise to be on the right side of this matter.[/QUOTE]

Blah, hyperbole, blah. "a fair percentage"? Prove it.
 
[quote name='kittie']It's just the usual defending of their people...

Sorry, but when there's well over a billion Muslims in the world... and a fair percentage of that supports UBL and screaming for the total destruction of the United States and other civilized lands... this is war, and it would be wise to be on the right side of this matter.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

You're an idiot.
Go home.
 
[quote name='Rich']:lol:

You're an idiot.
Go home.[/QUOTE]

Well isn't that special.
Such a sterling wit.
Now I remember why I don't watch polictical opinion shows.
 
kittie, you should be in a condom ad.

"If you don't put one of our rubbers on you cock you might end up with a little bastard like this!"
 
[quote name='JSweeney']Well isn't that special.
Such a sterling wit.
Now I remember why I don't watch polictical opinion shows.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Rich']
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I do believe that is the most useful post in this entire thread.
Kudos. Keep up the good work. :)
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']kittie, you should be in a condom ad.

"If you don't put one of our rubbers on you cock you might end up with a little bastard like this!"[/QUOTE]

So then, this will be a long running ad program featuring just about every poster of the VS forums, right?

I guess I'm exempt.. I'm Catholic. :)
 
[quote name='JSweeney']I guess I'm exempt.. I'm Catholic. :)[/QUOTE]
"Blame the Catholic church for not letting me wear one of those little rubber things. Oh, they've done some wonderful things in their time. They preserved the might and majesty, the mystery of the Church of Rome, and the sanctity of the sacraments, the indivisible oneness of the Trinity, but if they'd let me wear one of those little rubber things on the end of my cock, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now."
 
[quote name='JSweeney']So then, this will be a long running ad program featuring just about every poster of the VS forums, right?

I guess I'm exempt.. I'm Catholic. :)[/QUOTE]

You're only exempt if you're a dogmatic Catholic.

If so, you will also be "exempt" from reason, compassion for overpopulated third-world inhabitants, and the fight for women's rights.
 
I love this Muslim response. It's kind of the same kind of feel good propoganda Nazi Germany used when the Polish invaded Germany in September of 1939. What, you didn't know that? Your history books don't teach you that the Germans invaded Poland in self-defense? That's what the Nazis claimed, look it up.

This Muslim response feels like the same kind of bullshit. Oh well, what do you expect from a religion hijacked by people that murder children receiving candy, diplomats from other Muslim nations and kill civillians on their way to work. Better appease them or dammit, they'll blow you up too.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I love this Muslim response. It's kind of the same kind of feel good propoganda Nazi Germany used when the Polish invaded Germany in September of 1939. What, you didn't know that? Your history books don't teach you that the Germans invaded Poland in self-defense? That's what the Nazis claimed, look it up.

This Muslim response feels like the same kind of bullshit. Oh well, what do you expect from a religion hijacked by people that murder children receiving candy, diplomats from other Muslim nations and kill civillians on their way to work. Better appease them or dammit, they'll blow you up too.[/QUOTE]

Umm....... this is ridiculous. First, the fact that the nazi's claimed poland was in self defense is well known to anyone who would concern themselves with such knowledge (or those who spent a few hours and watched documentaries about nazis on tv). But, nowhere in this are they supporting these attacks or saying that they were in self defense. That would be required for this analogy to have any value.

Seriously though, as someone said, this is exactly what many conservatives claim they should do (and I have argued they've been doing), and this is how you respond when they do.
 
What do you want me to say? They're full of it. They're protecting their backsides and that's it. They could really care less. They know what mosques are promoting this hate. They know what foreign recruiters are in their neighborhoods. They know what "charaties" are funding terrorist operations domestically or on foreign soil. A press release doesn't erase that.

Equate this to the Governor of Mississippi in 1962. He knew what local politicans and law enforcement were covering up murders of freedom riders, those local politicians and law enforcement weren't responsible for the murders but they sure as hell weren't investigating them either.

Muslim's now are no different than the racist old south good old boy network.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']What do you want me to say? They're full of it. They're protecting their backsides and that's it. They could really care less. They know what mosques are promoting this hate. They know what foreign recruiters are in their neighborhoods. They know what "charaties" are funding terrorist operations domestically or on foreign soil. A press release doesn't erase that.

Equate this to the Governor of Mississippi in 1962. He knew what local politicans and law enforcement were covering up murders of freedom riders, those local politicians and law enforcement weren't responsible for the murders but they sure as hell weren't investigating them either.

Muslim's now are no different than the racist old south good old boy network.[/QUOTE]

So basically, muslims are terrorists and there's nothing they can ever do to change your mind. Think back to mississippi, which side adopted that line of thinking?
 
WTF are you talking about? Make sense.

The feds had to go in and clean up the mess in Mississippi because no one in the state would do anything. Just like we're having to freeze financial assets, topple terrorist supporting governments and hunt these vermin around the world like rabid racoons. Muslims have shown themselves to be completely incapable of cleaning up their faith and ruling lands they dominate as civilized countries. The sole exception being Turkey which was dragged kicking and screaming into a secular government 30+ years ago.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']WTF are you talking about? Make sense.

The feds had to go in and clean up the mess in Mississippi because no one in the state would do anything. Just like we're having to freeze financial assets, topple terrorist supporting governments and hunt these vermin around the world like rabid racoons. Muslims have shown themselves to be completely incapable of cleaning up their faith and ruling lands they dominate as civilized countries. The sole exception being Turkey which was dragged kicking and screaming into a secular government 30+ years ago.[/QUOTE]

What exactly was confusing? You're have the same prejudicial outlook that was in mississippi.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Uh, no, I don't. I'm minimimally observational which you're completely incapable of being.[/QUOTE]

Minimally observational is correct, you only focus only a few incidences and expand that to the entire group.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I love this Muslim response. It's kind of the same kind of feel good propoganda Nazi Germany used when the Polish invaded Germany in September of 1939.[/QUOTE]

LoL, PAD is now comparing the Muslim religion to Nazism.

And he has the audacity to attack Dick Durbin. For shame PAD, for shame.:nottalking:
 
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