My landlord is a SOB..literally

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Krymner

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Kind of a long story, I know, but I could use some advice.

I've been renting this house (I'm in the midst of moving out now) for the past 4 years. My landlord is one of my best friends. However, he went thru some deep emotional problems including depression and went off the deep end about a year ago. He lost his job, and shortly thereafter, he was caught busting into an office building and stealing computer equipment on Christmas Eve night.

In January, his wife notified me that he hadn't been paying the mortgage on the house I was renting for the past 4 months and it was going thru the process of being forclosed. I was prepearing to move out, but I talked with him and his wife, and they were able to make a deal with the bank. I was asked to pay the mortgage for him until he was out of prison. However, for being 4 months behind, those payments were tacked onto the next few months payments, and I would have to pay about $400 more a month for the next 9 months. I was told I would be paid back. I know I sound gullible, but I really felt sorry for the guy and wanted to help so I agreed.

Flash forward to July. I was notified by his b*tch of a mother (we don't get along too well, but that's a whole nuther story)....anyway she notified me that the bank had told her that they had not recieved any of my payments since March. That's 4 months worth of payments. I told her I kept all my reciepts and told her I would get her copies. She didn't believe me, calling me a lier and making threats to me and basically being the b*tch that she is. So I told her I wasn't going to pay the mortgage for the month of July, I would give her a check for the original rent in the contract, and that I would be out of the house in 30 days from that day, which was July 14. (Meaning that I would be out by August 13).

Flash forward to August 10. I was awoken from my slumber at approximatly 5pm. (I work nights, so I'm asleep during the day). It was his mother, demanding to know why I wasn't out of the house, and again accusing me of not paying the mortgage for the last 5 months. Again, I told her as kind as I could that I have all the reciepts from where I had paid, as well as a copy of the cancelled check I had sent her back in July. She just kept on threatening me, telling me I had to leave the house now or she was calling the cops.

She could plainly see that almost everything I owned was packed and ready to go. I had a U-Haul reserved to pick up Saturday morning, and was going to start moving some of my smaller posessions in my pickup truck Friday afternoon. She made some more threatening remarks and finally left.

I went to work last night, and the more I thought about it, the more angrier I got. I'm still angry at the way this woman treated me. She had no right to say the hateful things she did. She is as emotionally unstable as her convict son.

This morning when I got off work, I went straight home, planning to get a nap before starting to move. But guess who I find parked in my driveway waiting for me? Yup, it was the b*tch. Anger still seethed in my eyes as I got out of my car. Again, she was disrespectul and hateful towards me. She started to demand that I hand over to her my reciepts. No, she would not accept copies. She wanted the actual real reciepts.

I told her I would sell each of them to her for $400 apiece. The money I was owed for paying extra on the mortgage for the months of March-June. She laughed at me.

Then I said something like: "Fine. Then take me to court." She said she would do just that and stormed off, telling me that I would pay for doing this, and that she was going to make me loose my job for this.

So, here I am. I've been thinking it over these past few hours as I finsihed packing the few remaining odds and ends. I'm not tearing down my computer until tomorrow, so I jumped on here and thought I would vent a little and maybe get someone else's prospective on the matter.

I tried to talk with my attorney, but he is out this weekend and won't be back until Monday. I talked briefly with his assistant, and she told me just to play things cool and go ahead with my move, making sure I get out of the house by Sat. afternoon.

I'm not too worried about any lawsuit she may file, since I do have all the reciepts for the months in question, but she threatened my job, and I take my job very seriously. I've never encountered anyone who wanted to try to ruin my life. Someone so filled with bitterness and hatred towards me. I'm a very quiet guy who has made very few enemies (and those are almost all exgirlfriends :cool:) .

Anyway, sorry if you slogged thru all this rambling. I guess I'm looking for a few words of encouragement. Did I do the right thing, or should I have just handed over my reciepts to her and turned the page on this chapter?
 
I wouldn't worry about your job. She's just talking shit to make you scared and it's obviously working. You've got receipts, you'll be fine.
 
Just do what the attorneys secratary said to do... Just move out and play it cool... Good luck with the move man
 
Unless she's got some higher authority than your convict friend/landlord's mother, she's not going to do anything to hurt your employment.

As far as the receipts, well played. As soon as you give the originals to her, you've got nothing. You honestly think she wouldn't have torn those up as soon as you were out of sight and then the next day claimed you hadn't paid for 5 months, leaving you with no proof?
 
NEVER give her those reciepts. Those are your leverage. If she shows up later call the cops on her crazy ass right away. Tell the cops you fear for your life and your just trying to hold out until Saturday when your moving out. You have the reciepts to prove you've been paying. She'll look like the typical "cops" crazy person. Oh and wouldn't worry about your job. Obviously your dealing with a fruitcake derelict.
 
Harsh. Make sure you take some pictures of the place before you move out or she's going to claim some crazy ass damage shit. Include a newspaper of the day you move out in the pictures with the date clearly showing.

Does the crazy broad know where you're moving? If she is and she follows you then you can get her for harassment.

EDIT: Oh word, what TC said. My bank sells little safety deposit boxes for cheap and you can just make a bunch of copies and put the originals in there.
 
Are you under contract for a certain period or are you living there month-to-month? I think the worst that could happen if you're not month-to-month is you'd have pay the remainder of the rent due until the house is occupied again/foreclosed.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Harsh. Make sure you take some pictures of the place before you move out or she's going to claim some crazy ass damage shit. Include a newspaper of the day you move out in the pictures with the date clearly showing.

Does the crazy broad know where you're moving? If she is and she follows you then you can get her for harassment.

EDIT: Oh word, what TC said. My bank sells little safety deposit boxes for cheap and you can just make a bunch of copies and put the originals in there.[/quote]

Do that, and instead of her taking you to court, take her to court and get your money back. Then file a restraining order >_>
 
tagged, I'm interested to see how this turns out, as I hope the best for you man. I agree with what everyone else is saying. As for filing harrassment charges, I'd go ahead and do it. I'd be willing to bet that she will show up at the job.

EDIT: Also, if you just told her that you'd be out in 30 days, she doesn't have a leg to stand on about you moving out in exactly 30 days. It has to be written and submitted to whoever it is handling the contract
 
Call this man:

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He knows what to do.
 
[quote name='Strell']Call this man:

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He knows what to do.[/QUOTE]

lmfao

"is wayne brady gonna have to CHOKE a bitch?!?"

five star funny
 
Speaking as a landlord, it's pretty sad that he went off on the deep end. I doubt you have anything to worry about as leaving a paper trail leaves you golden - basically untouchable. Verbal agreements can be hard to prove w/o a witness though with the receipts as proof of your dealings, I'd say the court would be in your favor. That all said, what would've been better is if you had taken the property off his hands completely (as he was in foreclosure proceedings anyway) & pay the mortgage directly (that is, if you were able to cover all the fees associated w/ the mortgage such as property taxes, utilities & upkeep). This results in you having your own real estate (and build equity which is always good in the eyes of banks when you need a loan). Real estate is good leverage towards building great credit as well as developing an income stream (if you move out & find a tenant to cover your mortgage payments) aside from your job.
 
He is lord.....of your land?

How dare you put up with such treachery!?

Duel his mother for the land. In fact, make it a due lto the death. Teehee.
 
[quote name='King_Sprout']He is lord.....of your land?

How dare you put up with such treachery!?

Duel his mother for the land. In fact, make it a due lto the death. Teehee.[/quote]

Dude, shut the fuck up, JUST SHUT THE fuck UP!. You're a stupid immature little idiot brat. These are adult matters. I swear, why they don't just perma ban your ass I don't know.
 
[quote name='King_Sprout']He is lord.....of your land?

How dare you put up with such treachery!?

Duel his mother for the land. In fact, make it a due lto the death. Teehee.[/quote]

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Thats a good one. They've temp banned him TWICE and hes still doing the same BS. He needs to be perma banned. If I were a mod, he'd have been gone a while ago.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Thats a good one. They've temp banned him TWICE and hes still doing the same BS. He needs to be perma banned. If I were a mod, he'd have been gone a while ago.[/quote]

Yeah, he was tolerable before but now is really starting to annoy me. As was mentioned in another thread, he's like the kid you shove in a locker & pee in the vents. Normally, I wouldn't condone such things but this would be an exception. I have my limits on tolerance after all. Ignore function ftw.
 
Keep your receipts, try to get her craziness on tape the next time she comes over or at least have witnesses around. Most importantnly like the other guys said, make sure you have proof you left the house in great condition - videotape, pics with the newspaper in it, maybe have your landlord's wife come over and inspect it if your in good standing with her and have her sign something to that effect.
It sounds like she will try like hell to screw you financially for everything she can get unless you protect yourself.
I hope to god everything works out for you and you aren't financially fucked over by her. Safety deposits and imaginary damage are always the easiest ways to screw you once you move out.
Good Luck!
 
Make damn sure you protect those receipts. Like someone else said, get a safety deposit box and put them there. DON'T leave them in the house.
 
I don't know about in GA, but she can't have the sheriff or cops put your stuff out in the street unless you go thru the court motions of eviction. Also, she can't have anything like say the electricity cut off either. Thats illegal everywhere i think.

Also, depending on the state, the landlord isn't allowed to set foot on your property unless they give 24 hour notification. Only way around it is if there is a dire emergency.
 
Keep you receipts. If possible, get Chuck Norris to keep them for you.

And the next time that bitch comes, tell her the following Ahnold quote:

"GET IN DA CHOPPAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You- 1
Bitches of the world -0

If possible, take pictures of the home right before you move out, maybe even film. That way, if this douchebag tries something stupid like punching holes in the drywall and dropping her feces on the carpet, you can bust a Phoenix Wright and object in court with your UBER film evidence.

P.S. Is she a cat lady?
 
She's obviously looking to get some money off of you. She may also be on the line if she co-signed a loan for the house. She is obviously being a bitch becuase she might get stuck cleaning up your landlord's mess.
 
This is probably some useless, life long housewife that has probably lived her entire adult life living off her husband and now that he is in jail she is looking for a new cash flow source........you.
 
[quote name='dberuvides']This is probably some useless, life long housewife that has probably lived her entire adult life living off her husband and now that he is in jail she is looking for a new cash flow source........you.[/QUOTE]Wait, her son was her husband, too?!
 
just move out, and if you get called into court or some bullshit, you have receipts, that lady is probably just pissed cause of her son in prison. :/
 
I would document the whole situation including the conversation. Write down the time, date, and what happened. Take pictures of your apartment but do not let them know you took the pictures. If you do happen to go to court and the wife said you damaged the place, you got pictures to back you up. This also causes the wife to lose credibility with the judge against you and you will automatically win the case.

The wife and mother is just playing mind games with you. Do not let them get to you. They are trying to throw you off guard and get you frustated so you will give them the original receipts. If you paid for mortgage for this month, I would just stay until the end of the month. Since you already paid for it. They cannot do anything to you because you have proof that you're paying in some form of rent. Ask yourself what's the worst can they do and if its possible that it can happen?
 
Whatever you do though, don't just lay down and take it up the ass. People like this need to be taught very harsh lessons about not screwing with people and their lives
 
I'd call the cops if she comes again and starts threatening you, that way when they come and see how she is acting you will have some credible witnessess if either one of you decides to take the other to court, you will also have some official documentation of her behavior instead of just your word against hers.
 
Take it easy- and breath.

1. She's a bitch and has no grounds.
2. People get off on power trips and treating others like shit- again- take a breath and move on.

In my younger days I changed apartment complexes and my original complex manager wanted me to come back to do some "extra cleaning" (she didn't like me- because I was young and making double what she made at least). I told her- "send me the bill"- and you know what- I ended up getting my deposit back- and no bill.

Those people are the little people in life man- just remember that- they have no power in life and they are pissy about it.
 
I'd stay and not pay until I either got my extra money back or stayed long enough to make my extra money back. That is all of course assuming you got that agreement about the money in writing. If she wants to call the cops hand her your phone. Show them the receipts and the contract. It sounds to me like you are giving up that 400 bucks extra you paid each month and your deposit by letting her dictate to you. Since you are not in the wrong clearly on this why not make her follow thru on some of her idle threats and like others have suggested get as much on audio or video as you can. Lastly chill out a little. There is no reason to let her get you upset. Letting other people make you mad when that is their goal is very self defeating.
 
Wow, thanks for all the great advice. You CAG'ers really know your legal stuff.

Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement, too.

I've gotten just about everything packed up and I hope to be out of this place by noon Saturday. The b*tch does not have any idea where I am moving to, so there is no problem with her chasing me down. If she does file any sort of lawsuit against me, I do definatly plan on filing a countersuit for the money I am owed. But it really isn't about the money, its the principle of the situation. I tried to help these people, and all I've gotten in return is disrespect, threats, and hatred.

I'm kinda hoping she does sue me. I've been praticing yelling "Objection!" on Phoenix Wright, and I can't wait to slam my palms down on the podium and present my reciepts as evidence as I yell out "Take that!!"

I have actually consulted with Phoenix on this matter. Here is what he had to say.

I will take your advice and snap some pics of the property as I am leaving. Seems like a good precaution. On Monday I will probably just give my original reciepts to my lawyer for safekeeping, and keep a few copies of each for myself.

I'll be a week or so without my internet connection unfortunatly :cry: . But it should give me time to catch up on alot of great video game deals that I've purchased lately with many thanks to the CAGers here. Next up on the Gamecube me and my GF are gonna conqure Lego Star Wars.

Thanks again for all the help, advice, kind words, and the smiles from the jokes. I love all your Cheap Asses. :grouphug:
 
[quote name='Krymner']I will take your advice and snap some pics of the property as I am leaving. Seems like a good precaution. On Monday I will probably just give my original reciepts to my lawyer for safekeeping, and keep a few copies of each for myself.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. Take extensive pictures of everything. Be thorough. My last landlord claimed I did more than 5 grand in damage.

If there is any damage, document it, take pictures of it. Take pictures of everything there, the toilet, sink, stove, every room, every wall, every door, every floor, the windows, counters, circuit breaker box, absolutely everything that can be photographed. A vindictive landlord will find a way to screw you. Cover your ass.

And get those documents out of your the and into a safe place that she can't easily break into.
 
That whole situation really sucks. I'm almost afraid to ask, but I'm curious -- why don't the two of you get along?

Btw, I don't know if it was mentioned, but not only is she out to get you off guard or scared ... she's trying to get you to do something drastic that she can take legal action against. Right now she has nothing.

She's basically like the younger brother who prods the older one repeatedly, then tattles when the older brother bitch smacks him. Just make sure you don't do anything that she can use against you.

"S.O.B. ... literally." Haha, I just got that. Clever.
 
So far the move has gone okay. I've gotten all of the heavy items loaded up and moved and now all I have left are a few odds and ends. My computer rig will be the last thing packed up.

She did come by while I was away to pick up the U-Haul and left me a note. It says exactly this:

"My son told me he left some things here. Call me when you get back so I can go thru your stuff and make sure you aren't stealing his sh*t."

The only things that are his that are here is some shelving modules in the garage, the kitchen appliances (stove, fridge, etc) and a old sofa that was back in the storage room in the garage when I moved in. No fuck ing way am I playing this game with her. She wants to nosey around thru my stuff and make up some BS that this and that is her son's. Bullshit. She starts this mess and I'm calling the cops myself.

I haven't called her back and don't plan to. I'm still on pace to get everything out within the next 2-3 hours and after that, she can deal with my attorney if she has any problems.

As for why me and her haven't gotten along in the past, well, that's another long story. Basically, she's a b*tch, always been a b*tch, and probably will always be a b*tch. I truly think she blames me of all people for the reason her son is in jail. I hope I don't have to see her again until the court day. And after that, never again.
 
Looks like you got everything under control

Keep those reciepts safe and away from her

Take pictures of the entire place before you move out

Take them to court if they dont pay you back what you are owed
 
LOVE your response to the receipts she wanted. I also second saving those receipts and getting out quickly. Unfortunately, I believe you will be headed to small claims against your friend to get the payments back.

My only other concern is don't leave the house before your actual move. I wouldn't want her going there and changing locks because you're at work or something. She sounds nutty.
 
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