Nancy Pelosi: Lies, Lies, and More Lies

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Anyone who's listened to the shrillness of Nancy Pelosi's public statements surely has noticed she has a tendency towards absolute falsehoods. A good example from her February 10th press conference came when she claimed President Bush and John Kerry had the same position on gay marriage during last year's campaign. Obviously, when one supports a constitutional amendment banning the practice and one doesn't, that is a fairly significant difference. Why does Pelosi constantly spew utterly false information? It's perplexing, as if she doesn't think her actual ideas can win out.
 
I've never heard of this women, perhaps you'd like to drop a link? I'm sure I could just google her but if I don't have a clue who she is I'm sure there are others who would like to know.
 
I have to see the full story not just your synopsys. She might've been referring to the fact that Kerry didn't support gay marriage either. He did, however, support civil unions.
 
She is crazy, and I don't know what bullshit she said on Thursday, but I have heard her in the pass about the issue.

She said numberous times, the bitch never shuts up, that Bush and Kerry are for the same thing, they want civil unions and not gay marriage. But Kerry, unlike "I want all the power, screw the Constitution, and the States" Bush, Kerry thinks it's a states issue and not a federal government one.

They are both wrong but thats not the point.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Anyone who's listened to the shrillness of Nancy Pelosi's public statements surely has noticed she has a tendency towards absolute falsehoods. A good example from her February 10th press conference came when she claimed President Bush and John Kerry had the same position on gay marriage during last year's campaign. Obviously, when one supports a constitutional amendment banning the practice and one doesn't, that is a fairly significant difference. Why does Pelosi constantly spew utterly false information? It's perplexing, as if she doesn't think her actual ideas can win out.[/quote]

Technically, and I know how Republicans love to split hairs like this, she is correct - both Bush and Kerry were against legalizing gay marriage. They had differing views on the gay marriage ammendment but that can be attributed to other issues such as federal versus states rights as well as institutionalizing discriminization into the Constitution. You can be against gay marriage and still not be in favor of that ammendment.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Soon Dean will take over and make the dumbocrats look a lot more stupid than Pelosi does.[/quote]

And who did you vote for?

Honestly you preach on and on about us not knowing what side you are on and voted for yet you say some of the dumbest shit on the board. You make PAD look like a genius.
 
[quote name='David85'][quote name='Scrubking']Soon Dean will take over and make the dumbocrats look a lot more stupid than Pelosi does.[/quote]

And who did you vote for?

Honestly you preach on and on about us not knowing what side you are on and voted for yet you say some of the dumbest shit on the board. You make PAD look like a genius.[/quote]

Well in his defense you can be a democrat and not like Dean very much, just ask Iowa!
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I've never heard of this women, perhaps you'd like to drop a link? I'm sure I could just google her but if I don't have a clue who she is I'm sure there are others who would like to know.[/quote]

She's the House minority leader, from San Francisco, very liberal. Add my description in the OP for more.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I have to see the full story not just your synopsys. She might've been referring to the fact that Kerry didn't support gay marriage either. He did, however, support civil unions.[/quote]

Sorry about that, but she hasn't posted the transcript on her website (which would be heavily edited anyway), and I can't find a news story. Here is the relevant passage:

[quote name='Nancy Pelosi']The fact is, most Democrats are where the president is on gay marriage issue, and that is for civil unions, as John Kerry and President Bush had exactly the same position.[/quote]

Obviously, it is a factual statement that this is an outright lie.
 
Nope..they did have the same position on gay marriage but differing opinions on the gay marriage amendments. They are 2 seperate but related issues.

Doesn't pass the muster, elprincipe. Try again.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Nope..they did have the same position on gay marriage but differing opinions on the gay marriage amendments. They are 2 seperate but related issues.

Doesn't pass the muster, elprincipe. Try again.[/quote]

Oh, that's right. Silly me, I thought the amendment to ban gay marriage was somehow related to gay marriage! What a dumb mistake that was! :roll:
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='usickenme']Nope..they did have the same position on gay marriage but differing opinions on the gay marriage amendments. They are 2 seperate but related issues.

Doesn't pass the muster, elprincipe. Try again.[/quote]

Oh, that's right. Silly me, I thought the amendment to ban gay marriage was somehow related to gay marriage! What a dumb mistake that was! :roll:[/quote]

better luck next time finding a valid point..It's not all lost, at least you got a few hits on Pelosi.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='usickenme']Nope..they did have the same position on gay marriage but differing opinions on the gay marriage amendments. They are 2 seperate but related issues.

Doesn't pass the muster, elprincipe. Try again.[/quote]

Oh, that's right. Silly me, I thought the amendment to ban gay marriage was somehow related to gay marriage! What a dumb mistake that was! :roll:[/quote]

better luck next time finding a valid point..It's not all lost, at least you got a few hits on Pelosi.[/quote]

Just noticed your location is Denver. Are you Ward Churchill or one of his students?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']

Just noticed your location is Denver. Are you Ward Churchill or one of his students?[/quote]

yeah cause Denver and Boulder are the same place....Really.
 
[quote name='David85'][quote name='Scrubking']Soon Dean will take over and make the dumbocrats look a lot more stupid than Pelosi does.[/quote]

And who did you vote for?

Honestly you preach on and on about us not knowing what side you are on and voted for yet you say some of the dumbest shit on the board. You make PAD look like a genius.[/quote]

I am flattered that you are so enthralled with me that you have to post some nonsensical attack against me every time I post something. Thanks.
 
He's right, el, there's plenty more reasons to slam Pelosi than spreading 'lies' about John Kerry. I wonder if she's still standing "shoulder to shoulder" with Bush on terrorism.


How Nancy Pelosi stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the President:

Voted NO on banning human cloning, including medical research. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on Constitutional amendment prohibiting Flag Desecration. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Voted NO on $99.5B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on Tax Cut Package of $958B over 10 years. (May 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the Estate Tax. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000) (Before Pres Bush)
Voted NO on repealing the estate tax ("death tax"). (Jun 2000) (Before Pres Bush)
Voted NO on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000) (Before Pres Bush)
Voted NO on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999) (Before Pres Bush)
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[quote name='bmulligan']He's right, el, there's plenty more reasons to slam Pelosi than spreading 'lies' about John Kerry. I wonder if she's still standing "shoulder to shoulder" with Bush on terrorism.


How Nancy Pelosi stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the President:

Voted NO on banning human cloning, including medical research. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on Constitutional amendment prohibiting Flag Desecration. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Voted NO on $99.5B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on Tax Cut Package of $958B over 10 years. (May 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the Estate Tax. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000) (Before Pres Bush)
Voted NO on repealing the estate tax ("death tax"). (Jun 2000) (Before Pres Bush)
Voted NO on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000) (Before Pres Bush)
Voted NO on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999) (Before Pres Bush)
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I am a bit confused what you are crucifiying her over since most of those issues either a.) have nothing to do with terrorism or b.) we're votes before Bush was in office.

Obviously she was talking about a specific issue that she was "shoulder to shoulder" with Bush. Unless you think being "shoulder to shoulder" with Bush on terrorism means you have to roll over on everything he wants which IMO is terribly silly.
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='David85'][quote name='Scrubking']Soon Dean will take over and make the dumbocrats look a lot more stupid than Pelosi does.[/quote]

And who did you vote for?

Honestly you preach on and on about us not knowing what side you are on and voted for yet you say some of the dumbest shit on the board. You make PAD look like a genius.[/quote]

I am flattered that you are so enthralled with me that you have to post some nonsensical attack against me every time I post something. Thanks.[/quote]

If what you say wasn't complete trash I wouldn't get so much joy out of it.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Soon Dean will take over and make the dumbocrats look a lot more stupid than Pelosi does.[/quote]

classy as ever. You sure bring a ray of sunshine to the politcs board. I think I can speak for all dumbocrats and say thanks for giving us someone to laugh at.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe']

Just noticed your location is Denver. Are you Ward Churchill or one of his students?[/quote]

yeah cause Denver and Boulder are the same place....Really.[/quote]

Sorry, just assumed UC would be in Denver. You learn something new every day.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']He's right, el, there's plenty more reasons to slam Pelosi than spreading 'lies' about John Kerry.[/quote]

Oh yeah I agree, I hear her lies every week if not more often. At best many of these types of statements are extremely misleading and at worst they are outright falsehoods. I just pointed the one out because it was on that day and I've just gotten sick of the lies.
 
[quote name='Msut77']http://www.hrc.org/Content/ContentGroups/News3/2004_October/Bush_Says_His_Party_Is_Wrong_To_Oppose_Gay_Civil_Unions.htm

So after W's efforts to ban gay marriage failed he is now now pretending to occupy a entirely different position,

Either he really is that scummy to try and get away from the failed amendment (which he backed) or he was just tossing red meat to the homophobe rubes.

Now who was lying? Are you going to apologize?[/quote]

Who is "you" in are you going to apologize? Is it me? In that case, hell no. I never said anything about Bush's position, whether it was right, if he changed positions, etc etc. I only talked about Pelosi constantly lying. If you expect a defense of Bush trying to keep states from recognizing whatever marriages they want from me you've come to the wrong place.
 
I only talked about Pelosi constantly lying.

The lie you have been mentioning is that Pelosi said Kerry and W have similar stances on gay marriages.
 
Anyone who's listened to the shrillness of Nancy Pelosi's public statements surely has noticed she has a tendency towards absolute falsehoods. A good example from her February 10th press conference came when she claimed President Bush and John Kerry had the same position on gay marriage during last year's campaign. Obviously, when one supports a constitutional amendment banning the practice and one doesn't, that is a fairly significant difference. Why does Pelosi constantly spew utterly false information? It's perplexing, as if she doesn't think her actual ideas can win out.

In fact its pretty much the only lie you were prattling on about, you were wrong she was right, if you wanted to take it farther you were the one who was either lying or misinformed.
 
You know you have a stupid poster when they occupy consecutive posts. If you can't comprehend paragraph structure the first time out, give it a moment, it will come to you.
 
Pelosi is a serial liar. 99% of what comes out of her mouth is total bullshit.

The sad part is how she remains in office even though all she does is find issues to lie about and blame conservatives for every evil in the world.
 
Pelosi is a serial liar. 99% of what comes out of her mouth is total bullshit.

The sad part is how she remains in office even though all she does is find issues to lie about and blame conservatives for every evil in the world.

I second that, except change Pelosi to W and Conservative to Liberal....

And so on and so forth.....
 
[quote name='Msut77']I only talked about Pelosi constantly lying.

The lie you have been mentioning is that Pelosi said Kerry and W have similar stances on gay marriages.[/quote]

1. Learn to use the "quote" button.

2. Pelosi lying is a different issue than whether gay marriage is right/wrong/should be accepted by government/should be an amendment banning it/etc.
 
[quote name='Msut77']True should have used edit, still doesnt change the fact what a bunch of lying asshats right wingers are.[/quote]

1. I'm not a right-winger.

2. Not all right-wingers are liars.

3. Grow up.
 
2. Pelosi lying is a different issue than whether gay marriage is right/wrong/should be accepted by government/should be an amendment banning it/etc.
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But she didnt lie concerning this issue, the issue you brought up and accused her of lying about.

So you arent right wing but you just hate Liberals and are a Bush Supporter?
 
Whether or not Pelosi was lying about this issue depends on which day you ask Bush. One day, he claims he don't oppose civil unions, the next day he's pushing a Constitutional amendment that explicitly outlaws civil unions. If you believe Bush number 1, their position is pretty much the same. If you believe Bush number 2, then they're different.

Yeah, and Kerry was the flip-flopper :roll:
 
[quote name='Msut77']
2. Pelosi lying is a different issue than whether gay marriage is right/wrong/should be accepted by government/should be an amendment banning it/etc.
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But she didnt lie concerning this issue, the issue you brought up and accused her of lying about.[/quote]

Yes, she did lie because she said Bush's and Kerry's positions on gay marrage are, and I quote, "exactly the same." That is just untrue.

In any case, I was just using it as the latest example. If I went back and looked at virtually any Pelosi press conference I could pick out at least one absolute falsehood. This is speaking from experience. She lies all the time, boldfaced lies too.

[quote name='Msut77']So you arent right wing but you just hate Liberals and are a Bush Supporter?[/quote]

I'll use the list format again so you get it through your thick skull:

1. I don't hate liberals, nor do I hate conservatives, nor libertarians, nor even socialists. Hating people for their political ideas is pretty dumb.
2. I'm not a Bush supporter. In fact, I'm not Republican or Democrat or a member of any political party for that matter, thank God.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Yes, she did lie because she said Bush's and Kerry's positions on gay marrage are, and I quote, "exactly the same." That is just untrue.[/quote]

Again, they both agree that gay marriage should not be legalized. Their position on gay marriage is exactly the same. Their position on the gay marriage amendment is different.
 
lol...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/dems.response/

Is it just me or do the Dems look so damn dumb all the time? They seem like whinny babies always hating Bush or the Republican agenda.

Hey isn't Kerry sort of irrelevent now anyways? He is just another senator and he will not run again.

I like how his wife changed her name for the campaign and as soon as it was over changed it back.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=1014

She was a good part of the reason he lost. She was a nut.
 
Yes, she did lie because she said Bush's and Kerry's positions on gay marrage are, and I quote, "exactly the same." That is just untrue.
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No it wasnt, because now apparently Bush supports Civil Unions, even after he backed a amendment to ban even that. You qualify as an honorary Bush supporter since you are willing to lie to smear one of his opponents.

Is it just me or do the Dems look so damn dumb all the time?
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This begs the question, have you EVER listened to W when he opens his mouth?
 
[quote name='Msut77']
Yes, she did lie because she said Bush's and Kerry's positions on gay marrage are, and I quote, "exactly the same." That is just untrue.
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No it wasnt, because now apparently Bush supports Civil Unions, even after he backed a amendment to ban even that. You qualify as an honorary Bush supporter since you are willing to lie to smear one of his opponents.[/quote]

:lol: All I can say is you're wrong, very and completely wrong. But go on, that's never stopped you before, at least on this board.
 
This begs the question, have you EVER listened to W when he opens his mouth?
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uuhh....what da ya mean ...uhhh



ok I admit he ain't the best public speaker ever...but that's not why he is president.
 
[quote name='defender']
This begs the question, have you EVER listened to W when he opens his mouth?
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uuhh....what da ya mean ...uhhh



ok I admit he ain't the best public speaker ever...but that's not why he is president.[/quote]

Yeah, we have the Supreme Court to thank for that. :wink:
 
Okay, a week has passed and some of you don't believe me when I say she lies all the time. While this week's weekly press conference was shorter and with less dubious non-opinion things said, this was said:

[quote name='Nancy Pelosi']Social Security is solvent.[/quote]

[quote name='Webster']Main Entry: 1sol·vent
Pronunciation: -v&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin solvent-, solvens, present participle of solvere to dissolve, pay
1 : able to pay all legal debts
[/quote]

Another absolute lie, unless some of you want to question what the meaning of "is" is. :lol:
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Okay, a week has passed and some of you don't believe me when I say she lies all the time. While this week's weekly press conference was shorter and with less dubious non-opinion things said, this was said:

[quote name='Nancy Pelosi']Social Security is solvent.[/quote]

[quote name='Webster']Main Entry: 1sol·vent
Pronunciation: -v&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin solvent-, solvens, present participle of solvere to dissolve, pay
1 : able to pay all legal debts
[/quote]

Another absolute lie, unless some of you want to question what the meaning of "is" is. :lol:[/quote]

I think you're the one arguing the definition of "is." Social Security is currently solvent and will be for 50 years.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='elprincipe']Okay, a week has passed and some of you don't believe me when I say she lies all the time. While this week's weekly press conference was shorter and with less dubious non-opinion things said, this was said:

[quote name='Nancy Pelosi']Social Security is solvent.[/quote]

[quote name='Webster']Main Entry: 1sol·vent
Pronunciation: -v&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin solvent-, solvens, present participle of solvere to dissolve, pay
1 : able to pay all legal debts
[/quote]

Another absolute lie, unless some of you want to question what the meaning of "is" is. :lol:[/quote]

I think you're the one arguing the definition of "is." Social Security is currently solvent and will be for 50 years. [/quote]

Is Social Security able to pay all legal debts? No. For 50 years or X years perhaps, but not all. Therefore, what she said is untrue.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Is Social Security able to pay all legal debts? No. For 50 years or X years perhaps, but not all. Therefore, what she said is untrue.[/quote]

So you're admitting that SS can pay it's current debts for up to the next 50 years. I hate to break it to you, but that means it is currently solvent which is what she said. From what you posted she never said it will always be solvent which is what you are arguing.

I'm not sure why you have such a hard-on for her, but you have chosen two very poor examples to convince rational people that she's a liar. I won't even argue that she never lies (she's a politician fercrissakes), but once again, you have failed to prove your point.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='elprincipe']Is Social Security able to pay all legal debts? No. For 50 years or X years perhaps, but not all. Therefore, what she said is untrue.[/quote]

So you're admitting that SS can pay it's current debts for up to the next 50 years. I hate to break it to you, but that means it is currently solvent which is what she said. From what you posted she never said it will always be solvent which is what you are arguing.

I'm not sure why you have such a hard-on for her, but you have chosen two very poor examples to convince rational people that she's a liar. I won't even argue that she never lies (she's a politician fercrissakes), but once again, you have failed to prove your point.[/quote]

Nope, never admitted anything of the sort. I don't know why you can't accept simple logic. Something is either solvent or it isn't. It can either cover its debts or it can't. You can't be "solvent for 50 years". That means you are insolvent because you can't cover all your debts. Sorry, it was a lie and you are just wrong.

Maybe those weren't the best examples of lies, although they are good ones, but they were current ones, which was why they were used.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Nope, never admitted anything of the sort. I don't know why you can't accept simple logic. Something is either solvent or it isn't. It can either cover its debts or it can't. You can't be "solvent for 50 years". That means you are insolvent because you can't cover all your debts. Sorry, it was a lie and you are just wrong.

Maybe those weren't the best examples of lies, although they are good ones, but they were current ones, which was why they were used.[/quote]

You're trying so hard and failing so miserably. What she said was true and you can't admit your mistake.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='elprincipe']Nope, never admitted anything of the sort. I don't know why you can't accept simple logic. Something is either solvent or it isn't. It can either cover its debts or it can't. You can't be "solvent for 50 years". That means you are insolvent because you can't cover all your debts. Sorry, it was a lie and you are just wrong.

Maybe those weren't the best examples of lies, although they are good ones, but they were current ones, which was why they were used.[/quote]

You're trying so hard and failing so miserably. What she said was true and you can't admit your mistake.[/quote]

:lol:
 
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